Round and Round Goes Rizzo

Coming into tonight's action Anthony Rizzo trailed Omaha's Will Myers (Double A and Triple A combined) by eight for the top spot in all of minor league baseball in total bases. So he homered twice and doubled to briefly wrest the lead away before Myers homered off of Jeff Beliveau to break a 7-7 tie in the top of the 9th and give the Storm Chasers a hard fought win in a series opener at Principal Park.

The I-Cubs climbed out of two four-run holes dug for them by punching bag Jay Jackson who faced 24 batters and threw 88 pitches in his three+ innings of hard labor.

By the way, all of Rizzo's demolition was inflicted upon left-handed pitching. The discrepancy that marked his splits early in the year has narrowed considerably. He's now hitting well above .300 against southpaws too.

Geo Soto caught half of the game to ease into his rehab stint. He went hitless but was nicked by a pitch in one at-bat and also reached on an error ahead of Rizzo's 22nd homer in the 5th. Rizzo has homered four times in two days. His double came on a 3-0 pitch. In between roundtrippers he struck out swinging on an off-speed pitch in the 3rd. His second homer came on that same pitch after he took a fastball inside.

Ty'Relle Harris tossed three+ frames of hitless relief while Iowa fought back to tie the score.

Josh Vitters had two hits and started an inning-ending 5-4-3 with a diving stop that was the most sparkling defensive play I've seen him make. Having said that, I'll eat my notepad if he ever amounts to anything at the big league level. He just ain't got the look.

Brett Jackson played left to Dave Sappelt's center tonight and was allowed to stay in the two hole despite the lefty starter. He managed a bunt single in five trips and fanned twice more.

Poor (Jay) Jackson. Inasmuch as the game was versus an AL affiliate he didn't even get to bat, something he probably enjoys more than pitching these days and is probably better at. 

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Ether gets 5/85 with an easily attainable 6th year vesting option that would take it over 100m.

Let Joe Sheehan take this one...
@joe_sheehan: Locking $85MM into a non-star corner outfielder from 31-35? That usually ends well.

Interesting tweet from everybody's favorite, Peter Gammons in the tweet box:

In their 8 months Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein have brought 3 young potential mid-order bats to organization:Rizzo, Almora, Soler.

I forgot about Almora when I posted my posted my potential 2016 lineup of Castro, Rizzo, Soler, and Candelerio. So now we have -
3- Starlin Castro SS
4- Anthony Rizzo 1B
5 - Albert Almora
6- Javier Baez 2B
7 - Jorge Soler RF
8- Jeimer Candelerio 3B

I'm with Mike. I saw Vitters a couple times and I'm not sold, either. If the above lineup lives up to the hype these prospects have generated, it will be a hell of a lineup. But the percentages are never good even with good prospects. Some of them will go bust. Hell, Almora might even go to college.

Still, it's good to see Theocorp thinking like a good small market team. Hopefully they can get something for the few tradable veterans they have. It'll be interesting to see if Ricketts will start thinking like a big market team and get some good MLB-ready players, or continue to watch the fans disappear from Wrigley.

I have only seen Vitters in a few games watching online, so I am interested in hearing your thoughts on him.

I think Vitters will actually produce in the majors about what he produces now....280 15-20 HR few walks or strike outs. But that again is based on just a few games and projection based on his age and his level (if he were just drafted and was his current age and hitting like this at AAA, we'd likely have higher projections). So I am interested in hearing your thoughts.

**I think Vitters will actually produce in the majors about what he produces now....280 15-20 HR few walks or strike outs. **

That may be true, but that really isn't that good, especially for a (hopefully) competitive team at a premium offensive position. And it especially isn't good enough if he can't play 3b at the MLB level, and has to move to 1b (or the OF).

If he produces what he does now - 760 OPS, mediocre (at best) defense - that simply isn't major league caliber for a 3b. And there is little reason to believe that he could produce what he is producing now against major league pitching.

Don't get me wrong - I haven't given up on Vitters, but we need to see something better than a 760 OPS from him for him to start playing in the big leagues.

"we need to see something better than a 760 OPS from him for him to start playing in the big leagues."

It's circular to say that Vitters won't be good because he hasn't been good. You draft and sign elite talents and then you look for them to hold their own and then eventually break out. A comparison might be another 3B about the same age as Vitters, Will Middlebrooks, who showed signs of breaking out in Pawtucket in April and was promoted to the Red Sox where so far he is hitting much better than his .787 OPS in four years in the minors.

It's hard to find minor-league splits these days but I would guess that Vitters' numbers are impressive over the last four or five weeks. Anyway, he's back on my watch list.

To a veteran Cub fan, it's kind of a fairy tale that young players get better. Sometimes they get a lot better, fast. Cub fans haven't seen that over the last few decades. Yet it happens, and often it's inevitable. I guarantee you that Castro's OPS will rise by 150 points in the next couple of seasons.

It's circular to say that Vitters won't be good because he hasn't been good.

Where did I say that? I simply said that he had to be better than he has been. I also said that I still have hope for Vitters. And it sure as hell isn't based on his 760 OPS.

Where did I say that ["Vitters won't be good because he hasn't been good"]?

"[T]here is little reason to believe that he could produce what he is producing now against major league pitching."

To me that says there is little reason to believe that he can do better. I pointed out that (a) he already is doing better and (b) young guys get better.

You don't have to believe it. I don't necessarily believe in Vitters myself, but you have to trust your scouting director and wait until a first-rounder is out of minor-league options like they did with Colvin.

To me that says there is little reason to believe that he can do better.

Correct. So far there has been little reason to believe that he will do better in the big leagues than he has been in minors. I stand by that. But I did NOT say that won't be good because he hasn't been good.

I know that you hate to admit this...but minor leagues performance IS a good predictor of major league performance.

You don't have to believe it.

You seem to continue to miss that I said that I still have hope in the guy. It doesn't matter what I believe - what matters is what Vitters does on the field. I want him to get better. I still think that he can get better. But so far he hasn't really done it.

Look - I have never said Vitters won't be better. And yes, he has been better over the last two months. But I would like to see a lot more than 150 at-bats (or so) of success before I say that Vitters WILL be a successful MLB player. So far he simply hasn't been good enough.

But producing the same amount while jumping up a level is improvement. And he's typically been young-ish for the level he's been at too. As Rob indicated, I think whomever put Hillenbrand as his comp hit the nail on the head.

I don't disagree. And that is largely why I am still hopeful.

I just brushed up a little on Shea Hillenbrand.

Looks like Theo Epstein made it a priority to replace Hillenbrand with someone (Bill Mueller) who could actually play third. I think we can assume that whoever mans third next year and beyond will be a glove-first guy with a little pop like Stewart (but not Stewart).

This reminds me that Vitters has no future at third with the Cubs and will have to hit like a left fielder--which means he'll have to hit better than Hillenbrand.

If Vitters is Shea Hillenbrand, he's a bust.

I doubt if Vitters makes 2 All-star games, he'll be considered a bust, that's a decent career for most players. Maybe not as good as we all hoped at the beginning, but decent enough.

Mueller was a cheap pick-up by Red Sox as defensive insurance and a guy that took pitches, take a spot start here and there. He wasn't a replacement by any meant, he just made Hillenbrand expendable with his amazing play that season. There's no way they could have counted on Mueller to do what he did in 2003. And they got a decent haul at the time in Byung-Hung Kim for Hillenbrand for something they needed help.

fwiw..

.611 OPS in April
.884 OPS in May
.815 OPS so far in June

9/37 over his last 10 games (243/300/324)

9/24 over his last 7 (brutal 0/13 against Oklahoma City near the beginning of the month).

Not all of those guys will work out or stay at those positions. You may end up with Candelario, Vogelbach, Shoulders, Vitters all at 1B, and maybe none of them or two or three of them will end up good enough to make the majors. You've got Brett Jackson, Szczur, Ha, possibly Lake, and Reggie Golden who might turn into something in the outfield. Or none of those guys could be any good. Etc. Maybe Marco Hernandez or Arismendy Alcantara turn into decent players. Maybe Watkins is actually the 2nd baseman of the future, producing about the same value as Barney does now around the time that Barney starts earning more money. Maybe Torreyes starts hitting again and pushes his way up the prospect list.

What I see in the Cubs system now is that they have a lot of prospects for
1B (Rizzo, Vogelbach, Shoulders, Candelario, Vitters),
3B (Vitters, Candelario, Baez, Lake),
and OF (Jackson, Soler, Szczur, Ha, Lake, Dunston Jr., Trey Martin, etc.).
They have a few interesting prospects at SS and 2B (Baez, Hernandez, Torreyes, Alcantara).
And they have almost nothing at
catcher (Castillo, Micah Gibbs?),
Starting Pitcher (McNutt, Whitenack, Burke)
or Relief Pitcher (not that minor league relievers are significant prospects anyway).

But who is close to the majors on that list? Rizzo, Jackson, Castillo, and maybe Vitters. Everybody else is several years away. So it's nice to see that there are a significant number of names that could be interesting, but any of those guys could stagnate (or regress) and never be productive above A-ball. Most Cubs prospects are so far away that we have 0 idea what they will turn out to be. We won't have a sense of these guys value until sometime in 2014, for most of them, and by then many of them could be playing different positions, have developed or failed to develop power or strikezone judgment, etc.

Some of them will be converted into pitchers.

"Starting Pitcher (McNutt, Whitenack, Burke)"

Burke has been surprisingly good as a starter but not better than Francescon, Loosen, Jensen, Kirk, Jokisch or Del Valle, most of whom have comparable numbers at a higher level.

Here are their levels, innings, hits, walks, Ks, WHIPs:

Burke (Peoria) 67.2 inn, 51 h, 20 bb, 48 so, 1.05 whip
Francescon (Peoria-Daytona) 75.1 inn, 47 h, 22 bb, 60 so, 0.92 whip
Loosen (Daytona) 42 inn, 28 h, 16 bb, 40 so, 1.05 whip
Jensen (Peoria) 66 inn, 47 h, 23 bb, 53 so, 1.06 whip
Kirk (Daytona) 78.2 inn, 71 h 18 bb, 46 so, 1.13 whip
Jokisch (Daytona-Tenn) 80 inn, 65 h, 25 bb, 62 so, 1.13 whip
Del Valle (Daytona) 48.1 inn, 44 h, 12 bb, 35 so, 1.16 whip

As for McNutt, I think Cub fans should forget about him and Jay Jackson and learn some new names.

he's not showing much yet (well, he is if you look deeper in the numbers), but ben wells could be a nice "system sleeper" middle/end-rotation guy.

control over a fastball + nice sinker...still very young (20 in Sept).

also, tony zych...though he's pretty much a relief candidate.

Think I read that Wells just suffered an elbow injury?

Have to think the bullpen is in McNutt's future.

he left his june 2nd game with an arm injury...havent heard anything, but yeah, he's injured and it's noted that it's his elbow.

your reasonable take on the situation is not appreciated. Needs more sensationalism and an aura of absolutism that your opinion is the only valid one presented on this topic.

/sarcasm font

/that was a reply to Charlie's comment

Gammons is a total suck ass, mouthpiece. Jim Hendry brought in Baez, Vogelbach and Rock Shoulders last June alone. Does he get credit for bringing in 3 middle of the order bats in one month?

personally, I'm not sure I'd call Baez or Almora middle of the order bats myself.

I'd say none of the 6 are anything close to a sure thing. I just find it annoying that Peter Gammons always goes out of his way to either a) Make everything about Boston or b) Find some way to heap praise on someone who came from Boston.

He's basically Hawk Harrelson with a different medium.

Again, outside of guys like Harper, Trout, Strasburg....who are sure things? How many systems have multitudes of sure things?

I'm not down on any of those prospects. I'm more making fun of the fact that Gammons is a complete and total jock sniffing shill.

Next week he's got a 1000 word column about Theo having genius foresight because he clipped a coupon to get his oil changed.

I knew I'd have to duck for cover quoting Gammons, but it was worth it to read everyone's posts. Overall, it looks like the team has some interesting prospects down the line, but it's way down the line, and that isn't going to help Ricketts sell tickets.

Theocorp needs to do a lot more than stock up on potential guys for 2016. And Ricketts, at some point, is going to have to break open the wallet.

Agreed

From I-Cub game notes (a foretaste of the new & improved 'Cub way'?):

The Cubs have committed three errors in their last 13 games and lead the league with a .983 fielding percentage. The Cubs are tied with Nashville for the fewest errors in the league this season with 41. Brett Jackson leads all outfielders in fielding this year. He has handled 136 total chances over 58 games without committing an error. He has started in all three outfield positions.

Re JV: I just don't think he passes the eyeball test. He doesn't appear to be especially athletic & he doesn't exude any zest or flair for the game...strikes me as a journeyman @ best; not the sort you watch & think, 'this kid's something special...' although obviously there were scouts who thought exactly that about him ( at one time)...

I'm not sure you'll find anyone past his immediate family that thinks he'll be anything special in the majors. If he can ever get his defense to a passable level at some position, his bat should play in the majors. Young, contact, some power...it's a good combo. I don't see an All-Star or anything, but a good guy to have until he's 30.

Someone put Shea Hillebrand out there as a comp once, I can sort of see that.

Dempster named co-player of the week with Jason Kubel.

Looks like Vlad is going to officially call it quits .

HOFer?

I certainly think he deserves it, better than Dawson for sure. Probably gonna take him awhile though.

premature report...asked for his release, still hoping for major league job.

Reports are saying he asked for his release but is not retiring.

it's gotta be fun to go from the hell of FL in summer getting into playing shape only to be sent to NV in summer to continue your way through the system.

FL is hell year round.

agreed...so much agreed.

Having lived on the panhandle for several years, I can tell you that it's can be pretty great from late October through early March. Outside of those times its all heat, humidity, and giant bugs, though.

I wasn't really referring to the weather.

Rosenthal says Cubs are reluctant to take on a long term rebuild process, but Dempster should be available.

Says Indians may be one of the few good fits for Soriano.

AZ PHIL: on many occasions you have touted Jay Jackson's hitting. Has any of the Cubs' staff indicated to you any time limit on trying him as a position player?

The Cubs have a lot invested in this guy, and I am sorry to say but I believe he just hasn't figured it out. Seems like its kickin' a dead mule.

They have had some success moving position players to pitchers. why not the other way in this case?

Zeke DeVoss with the ESPN play of the day

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8040831

Hawks to add a pitcher to roster today. Big name draft pick. Announcement this afternoon

sure to be Pierce Johnson

nevermind, Hayden Simpson demoted.

Iowa vs. Odorizzi and the Royals AAA team

Volstad gives up 5 ER in first on 4 hits

1B, FO-7, BB, 1B (1 R), 1B (1 R), 3B (2 R), GO-3 (1 R), PO-3

Bottom of 3rd, 5-0 Omaha

Ty Wright doubled off Odorizzi and scored on an Amezaga single.

B Jackson 0/2 with 2 K's ~sigh~

5-1 through 3.

Volstad goes 5 IP, 6 ER, 6 H, 4 BB, 4 K

95 pitches/51 strikes

Rizzo taken out of game after sliding into dugout trying to make a catch, came up limping.

allegedly just a bruise, seems fine.

‏@jonmorosi #Cubs fire Rudy Jaramillo, replace him with James Rowson.

Rowson was the minor league hitting coordinator for Yanks last 4 years (6 overall with Yanks) before joining Cubs in that capacity.

Tom Beyers takes over his role.

Bring back Gerald Perry!

Or something.

I thought the offense looked better under Gerald Perry than under anyone else I can remember.

In 2008, definitely. And he supposedly emphasized patience and OBP, which would fit with the TheoCorp stuff. Not sure I've seen any real evidence of a hitting coach making a difference on an MLB team, though.

I don't know if it's a hitting coach thing, but I definitely see teams that seem to work the count as a team. I remember the blue jays years ago using that approach against K Wood and Prior. It's a good approach to certain kinds of pitching, and I think a well coached team can have better at bats than others.

Another Hendry big name (big $$) signing that didn't work out so well.

Thing is, many people saw it when the signing took place.

He was the hitting coach in AL Coors field. Yet those Rangers teams routinely had one of the lowest OBP's in the AL.

Agreed. Unlike a few of Hendry's other signing, this was dumb when he did it, and it was not hard to foresee that we would not get good value in return.

hell, most of this place was going nuts with joy over the signing.

i'd rather be excited about someone that actually plays the game on the field.

I don't remember it that way, but maybe I am projecting my own feelings on the rest of the board.

going nuts with joy is an overstatement, but i saw it as a generally welcome thing that would help the club do something or other awesome...some people did note how "meh" he did outside of TEX.

meh...*shrug*

I guess I was less concerned with what he did at Texas or before, I just never want that Cubs to have the highest paid (pick your non-player and insert name here) in baseball ever again.

(With the possible exceptions for President or General Manager or whoever is picking the players)

same...i'm sick of marquee managers/coaches/etc...

we had 2 teams this offseason "pick a guy off the street" to manage teams...ventura/matheny...it's not like CWS/STL are cellar dwelling $30-40m payroll teams or something.

staying away from having $6-$8m tied up in coaches/managers is a great start to putting a little more on the field, imo.

Wrongway...

James Rowson, the minor-league hitting coordinator who is replacing Rudy Jaramillo as the Cubs' hitting coach, had impressed Theo Epstein & Co. with his work on prospects like Javier Baez and Anthony Rizzo. He's considered excellent in helping hitters improve their plate discipline and learn to "grind out'' at-bats, and benefited from working under Kevin Long with the Yankees. Jaramillo, who was working for his third manager in three years, worked his rear end off to help Alfonso Soriano and other Cub veterans but Epstein decided he wasn't what he wanted long term.

@DKnobler Some rival execs speculating Dempster could be traded early. Some saying right after All-Star break, others guessing pre-ASG.

The earlier the better, for everyone.

I'd be happy to see him go to the Dodgers this week for one of their top 5 prospects and another guy from their top 20.

Eovaldi would be a great grab, but I doubt they'd give him up.

Otherwise a ton of B/C arms in there. Jerry Sands has always intrigued me or Scott Van Slyke. Tim Fedorowicz (good defense, poor bat) and Gorman Erickson (good bat, poor defense) are the 2 catching prospects.

Of course, Federowicz hitting decently in AAA this year (834 OPS), while Erickson is struggling in AA.

Two decent starting pitching prospects would probably be the best we could hope for, and it looks like most of what the Dodgers have is minor league arms.

For Garza I would hope they get at least one pitcher that is close to MLB ready, though (if they trade him, that is). Everybody knows who Dempster is--a good start to the season is only going to influence them so far, so I'm not expecting a bunch of blue-chippers or something.

I saw on MLB trade rumors, that the O's might be looking to flip Brian Matusz for an established starter. That seems to be about fair value IMHO.

Matusz would absolutely get a boost just from the move from the AL East to the NL Central. Plus you'd have 4 more years of club control.

they're willing to trade a guy that's never even been average or really healthy in the majors. They're too kind.

None of those sound like anything close to enough for Dempster. Especially if he is indeed the biggest name on the market.

Lonnie Chisenhall would be a reasonable haul. Brian Matusz sounds reasonable.

Lonnie Chisenhall would be a reasonable haul.

Delusions of grandeur.

What do you think Dempster brings? Chisnehall last year would have probably been too much. However his stock is down right now.

Maybe Dempster and a prospect for Chisenhall and a prospect?

However his stock is down right now.

Huh?

Dempster is owed a ton and teams can't recoup prospects by offering arbitration anymore. Good news is Cubs have ton of suitors and are one of the few sellers. They'll get a decent haul, but mid-rotation upside starters is probably the peak, maybe an average regular position player. There's no All-Stars or potential All-Stars coming unless the Cubs really nail it on the prospect evaluation.

Matusz is about right, same premise as trading for Volstad and Stewart. Once upon a time prospects with lots of service time left to figure it out, but still a lot of question marks.

2 3-Star prospects otherwise, maybe someone gets desperate and coughs up a 4-star. I'm certainly not expecting any top 100 prospects.

The Cubs will most assuredly pick up the rest of his deal. And a 1 year 12 million dollar arbitration tender on Dempster is probably a worthwhile gamble for any team that deals for him.

Bottom line is that Dempster is the biggest chip on the market. So somebody will eventually overpay for him.

there's no gamble, you can't get prospects by offering arbitration anymore unless the player is with the team the entire season.

We'll see how much the Cubs are willing to pay this time, it's one thing when it's a headache you want to get rid of, another when it's a valuable trade chip. I doubt they pick up more than half and I doubt teams will give up a ton for a 2 months of a 35 year old pitcher.

there's no gamble, you can't get prospects by offering arbitration anymore unless the player is with the team the entire season.

Aw shit. I forgot about this. Should've started the sale in the offseason.

Just to clarify, free-agent compensation no longer involves arbitration.

In order to get a draft pick a club will have to offer the MLB Article XX-B FA a one-year guaranteed contract with a salary at least equal to the average salary of the 125 highest-paid MLB players from the previous season, and it must decide whether to make this offer by the 5th day following the conclusion of the World Series.

If offered such a contract, the player has a week to accept or decline, and if the player declines and signs with another club, the player's former team automatically gets a supplemental 1st round pick (between the 1st & 2nd round) in the next Rule 4 Draft (First-Year Player Draft), with the slot dependent on the standings from the previous season (worse record gets a higher slot).

So the Cubs could opt to keep Dempster, and then after the World Series offer him a guaranteed 2013 contract with a salary at least equal to the average salary of the 125 highest-paid MLB players in 2012 (probably about $13M), and if he accepts the Cubs get to keep him for another year, and if he declines and he subsequently signs with another club, the Cubs get a compensation draft pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds in the 2013 First-Year Player Draft (probably pick #31 or #32 overall).

The Cubs could opt to do the same thing with Matt Garza when he becomes an Article XX-B MLB FA post-2013.

wow, rangers didn't even make the list.

he's got friends in TX...though most are in Austin-area. they might stay away because of fear of HR given up/cost...they can't sign all those guys long term when they're performing at that kind of level.

Slick-fielding shortstop Jose Iglesias would allow the Cubs to move Castro to third base,

someone else daring to suggest Castro is moved to 3B?

unpossible

that being said, not a trade I'd want the Cubs to make.

jose iglasias is a mistake theo should never associate himself with again...especially after the g.concepcion thing.

plus, he's probably owed at least $4-5m on his 4yr/$8.2m deal

Are we really that excited over the prospect of a .760 OPS Third Basemen with a shaky glove?

At least at 2nd base he will be a plus offensive player.

regardless of what you feel I should be excited about or the fact that you believe Castro has reached his offensive peak at age 22, most players with strong arms get moved to 3b from SS, and almost never to 2b.

That all being said, my money is on Castro staying at SS through age 30.

He might very well take another step forward at some point. However he is almost at 1500 MLB at bats thus far and he's been virtually the same from day 1.

At what point does he take that next step? At what point do you just accept that he is what he is?

At what point does he take that next step?

May 22, 2015 - mark your calendar

At what point do you just accept that he is what he is?
not at age 22

that was kinda my issue with him being rushed to the bigs.

he was ready, true...but the cubs are in a position where they might have to pay him a lot of money based on a slugger potential that could easily show up as not show up.

you could make a solid argument for him being a 20-30 HR guy as easily as him being a 10-15 HR guy at this point.

i just wish they would have waited til 2011 to work him into the bigs. it's not like the 1 extra year would be a slam-dunk for evaluation, but he's just sooooo young, still. both his D and bat/power could get better as easily as they could stay where they're at.

I'm with you. Especially when you consider that bringing him up was more or less a publicity stunt by a desperate GM trying to save his job.

It makes no sense to move Castro to 3B unless he puts on weight and loses range.

given the amount of SS's in the system ready to take over in 2013...aka, none...i doubt the cubs will have to deal with it for a while...maybe not even 2014.

always spot on

~pats self on back~

Sorry crunch, I don't see anyone in that thread licking his balls.

there's a number of hope+woo posts for rudy outside of the scattering in that thread.

also,

"going nuts with joy is an overstatement, but i saw it as a generally welcome thing that would help the club do something or other awesome...some people did note how "meh" he did outside of TEX."

i didn't see as much "most people saw it was a bad signing" thing as much as the "woos" and hope stuff.

either way, it's better than doing this kind of stuff on manager money.

To me it seems like almost everybody expressed indifference. After all, we'd all gone through the Gerald Perry thing recently.

like everything around here, the reactions were varied, there's almost never a consensus on anything.

Then 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years later the reaction is grossly exaggerated by people with a need to prove they think they were right about something, even though no one is keeping score except them.

you're on a roll today.

care to hear my opinon of ian stewart or ryan theriot?

never forget this...

you're as full of shit as me, Real Neal, Mike C., Chad, MannyTrillo and just about everyone else that is on this board or ever was.

don't for one second let yourself believe you're more important or more right than anyone else on here.

I keep score everyday! Crunch has been correct 1,485 times, Rob G. 836 times, and Manny -622 times.

Small sample size?

this is all very important business we do here.

*shuffles some very important papers in a hurried manner*

I think the official scorer has been a bit generous to me.

volstad (AAA)

5ip 6h 6er 4bb 4k

yow.

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