Game 61 Thread - Maholm vs. Scherzer

The Cubs are actually an almost reasonable 12-15 at home, so maybe they won't get crushed tonight. But as Cubnut noted on Twitter the other day, the Cubs record in last 22 games that didn't involve the San Diego Padres is 2-20.

Tigers Cubs
Jackson, CF
*Campana, CF
*Boesch, RF
Castro, SS
Cabrera, 3B
*DeJesus, RF
*Fielder, 1B
Soriano, LF
Young, LF
*LaHair, 1B
Peralta, SS
*Clevenger, C
Laird, C
Barney, 2B
Worth, 2B
*Stewart, 3B
Scherzer, P
Maholm, P

Big news the last 2 days out of Cubs camp is the signing of Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler and the firing of hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo.  For Jaramillo, he was obviously done the moment they hired Epstein and Hoyer, but there was never a rush to get rid of him. He was under contract and it was one less thing they had to scramble to replace before spring training. And it didn't hurt anyone giving Jaramillo a test run, check out his ideas, see how well he meshes with the new group and maybe they'd learn a thing or two from each other. It's not what the new group envisions so they've put in their own guy for the time being, James Rowson. He was serving as the current minor league hitting coordinator, a job he held with the Yankees over the last 4 years (6 in total with the Bronx Bombers). Phil Rogers heaped this praise upon him in a tweet.

James Rowson, the minor-league hitting coordinator who is replacing Rudy Jaramillo as the Cubs' hitting coach, had impressed Theo Epstein & Co. with his work on prospects like Javier Baez and Anthony Rizzo. He's considered excellent in helping hitters improve their plate discipline and learn to "grind out'' at-bats, and benefited from working under Kevin Long with the Yankees.

Nevermind that Baez had one walk in Extended Spring Training (he does have 4 in his very brief time with Peoria though).

As for Soler, it's a minimum 9/$30M deal that could escalate far higher as he'll have the option to go to arbitration each year he's eligibile versus whatever he's guaranteed in his contract. It's certainly not cheap, but the Cubs were desperate to add assets to their talent pool and this was one of the last times they'll be able to simply outbid opponents on prospects. So there were more forces at work here than just, "Is Soler worth that many years and that much money?" Regardless, he'll certainly shoot to the top 3-5 prospects in the system depending on who gets promoted this year and has All-Star potential with big power and a big arm. And the Cubs own his right until he's 29. Hard to complain unless he's a complete wash out.

As for the game, happy to see Campana in there just because if there's ever a team that you want to test their infield defense, the Tigers are that team. Choke up on that bat and put that ball in play Crazy Legs.

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Also nice to see LaHair making a start again. I don't care who's pitching, I don't want to see Baker starting at 1B again.

meh, they're 1-0 in their last 1 games with Baker starting.

Facts!!!!

Completely agree. I can't fathom for the life of me why you would ever start Jeff Baker ahead of a guy who produces runs and who may be valuable to you in either a trade or the future.

Jeff Baker is a nobody who is hitting like one (as opposed to the above-average production vs. LHP he's given us previously).

Muskat tweets that it could be up to a week before Soler deal is official. Pass physical, visas, etc...

FYI....

outfield is allegedly torn to shreds after 2 concerts.

wind blowing in today.

Theo Epstein complimented Jaramillo on his ability to work with a hitter on his mechanics. Epstein said they wanted more attention paid to the approach at the plate.

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2012/06/12/612-sori...

Rizzo day to day with right knee contusion.

cubs pitchers still can't bunt.

Theo (paraphrase)

believes as Castro gets older, he's pretty certain he'll develop more power and pitchers will throw him less strikes and then it'll be up to him to be more selective. Not terribly worried about it right now considering his age and says most players would be figuring these things out in AA or AAA right now.

Completely agree. He does things that make me cringe, but if he hadn't been called up to save a GM's career, with his age we would all be giving him a pass for his mistakes in AAA. It just looks bad because we see it on TV, but I doubt anyone his age is mistake free.

What exactly is Tito going to say when asked about Castro? His defense sucks, he hasn't developed since he's gotten to Chicago, and he doesn't have the power to play 3rd base?

Pretty common for a Team Prez to speak complimentary about the assets on the team.

Lets see... so far this year his power has improved, his defense has improved. He does seem to have taken a step backwards in his plate discipline/patience. But overall I would definitely say that he is developing.

But hey, don't let your hate of the guy get in the way.

I don't hate Castro in the least. I think he's a solid young player.

I just think he gets WAY over hyped by Cubs fans. Largely because everyone else on the roster pretty much sucks.

He's to us what Brian Roberts used to be in Baltimore. A good player who the fanbase pretends is a franchise player.

You do know that it isn't just Cubs fans that are very high on Castro, right?

He's a good player. I like the kid.

He's just not a franchise level guy. Not unless he takes a HUGE leap forward.

Maybe he does. Sammy Sosa made the leap from good player to great player. Maybe Castro does the same?

He's 22. How can you know he's not a franchise level guy? He's among the league leaders in stats among shortstops, at 22. His worst stat, OBP, still has him at the 12 spot among MLB shortstops. He is second in the MLB in hits among shortstops. At 22. He is 7th in the MLB among shortstop in OPS, at 22, and his power hasn't even begun to really develop yet.

He has a .299 RISP average. At 22.

He hits to all fields. At 22.

He hits breaking stuff as well as he hits fastballs. At 22.

Fangraphs has him at the top of its list of Tier1 shortstops:

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/ju...

At 22.

I don't think this is Cubs fans overhyping a guy, unless every stats hound and sports writer has decided overnight to become a fan of one of the worst teams in recent baseball history.

I agree 100%, but the real question is how good does Castro have to be for his critics? I don't feel his fans on this board are blind to his shortcomings, but I wouldn't call him a 'franchise player'. Right now, he's a very, very good player who at 22 still has ample room to improve a number of aspects in his game. I'm more inclined to wish the Cubs could find, develop, and/or trade for a lot more Castros. We can only hope Rizzo, Baez, Almora, BJax, and Soler will be as good.

The real thing Castro needs is a manager or mentor who will push him to be the best player he can be. I hoped Baker and Pinella would fill that role, and my jury is still out on Sveum.

Maybe my distance from Chicago his muting the effect, but are people really hyping him so much? He's young and is the Cubs best player...and is good. There's a lot to get excited about. But, Are people really polishing his HOF trophy (are there trophies?) already? Seriously, I don't know, just curious what you mean be over-hype.

I'm team president? COOL

Yeah, it's cool until you're actually responsible for producing results. Then you suddenly have to show competence at doing your job. Jim Frey and Hawk Harrelson come to mind as guys promoted way above their abilities (though technically, they were only made GMs, not team presidents). In my mind, I saw Hawk saying, "I'm GM? COOL!"

I know you were just making a joke -- and I laughed, but it also got me thinking (a dangerous pastime, I know).

I bet GM is a much more difficult position than team president. Could just be my perception, but I think the team president's job is to set an overall strategy and then hire the right people to execute it. The GM's job is to actually execute the strategy.

It's probably pretty easy to be a GM when the team president makes all the decisions a normal GM makes.

Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with the Cubs' situation. What is Hoyer responsible for?

Don't fuck this up.

pick up the ball fat ass

And soriano is still an idiot.

He actually bailed out crazy legs on a play. That's a first.

this DET infield is epic.

cubs take the lead.

scrubbies win! s.camp save.

21-40

fwiw, first error by Peralta was a bad call.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=...

Second error looked like a bad call as well. Tigers got screwed. Of course, if Peralta makes those two routine plays looks routine, they wouldn't have been screwed.

Campana's 3 steals gives him the major league lead with 21 now.

Castro is tied for 5th with 16.

9th as a team in majors, 4th in NL though.

Offense 14th in runs scored in NL/27th in majors.

cubs have the 2nd best winning streak in all of the NL and the best overall in the NL Central.

it's a 2 game streak, but this is a season of small victories.

Now, let's reward those efforts by keeping him on the bench for a week. Epic losing streaks aren't easily accomplished with guys who can steal first base playing every day.

Hey, when you can get a bat like Joe Mather into the lineup, you've got to sit Campana right?
I mean...

ugh...

As long as the fat drunk is playing 3b for the Tigers, Campana should be starting and bunting every single ab.

Mission First Overall Draft Pick.

Now that the Cubs can't overspend in the draft, losing becomes even more important.

"Now that the Cubs can't overspend in the draft, losing becomes even more important."

Ironic and Brilliant.

Out of curiosity, who exactly are we tanking for? Are there any guys in the 2013 draft we should actually be pining for?

Way too early to tell. There isn't a Bryce Harper/Strasburg/Prior who has been hyped forever. Potentially Mark Appel (or anyone else who doesn't sign, but Appel seems the likeliest). Early thoughts are not much on college pitching, good college hitting. Some good HS hitters being discussed, including a few catchers being talked about as top 5 picks.

Will become clearer after summer showcase tourneys and, of course, much clearer as next year's fall and spring baseball occurs.

A shame that hard throwing NC State lefty ace Carlos Rodon not eligible until 2014 draft - a true frosh this past season, will turn 20 on Dec 19th. Be nice if he'd transfer to a JC school in the off-season ...

i wouldn't call him "hard throwing" but he gets results.

fastball, curve, lefty...he's already 3/4 the way to the bigs. =p

i guess i should say...he CAN throw hard, but it's one of those things where he hit 99mph, but works more in the low/mid 90s range.

and yeah...shame he's not available any time soon.

Feel a bit cheated that Rodon's start against the gators was rain shortened in the super regional. Fluff piece article from earlier this month, but like the David Price comparison: http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012/06/01/11...

he's a guy that was a "fringe" top 10 player in the state working 90/91mph in highschool who became a guy that could bring it low-mid 90s regularly. he's hit 98/99mph a few times.

if he showed this a year earlier he would have been a high pick or at the very least made a better college baseball program. NCSU is a good program (with great facilities), but it's not a powerhouse.

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  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 5 min 30 sec ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 17 min 14 sec ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 19 min 3 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 41 min 22 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 41 min 50 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 50 min 39 sec ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 10 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 41 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 44 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 47 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 8 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 2 hours 10 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 2 hours 13 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 16 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 2 hours 17 min ago view
  • Billy McKinney had season-ending knee surgery last August and came to Minor League Camp this year somewhat restricted. (He was used mostly as a DH in Cactus League Minor League Camp games), and I'm not sure he's 100% right now (he's repeating AA, and his XBH numbers are way down, like he's not getting good rotation in his lowev half). That might have been part of the reason why the trade wasn't completed right away.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 25 min ago view