Hamilton vs. Campana

So reader Virginia Phil had the idea to try and time the inside-the-park home run of speed phenom Billy Hamilton with that of Crazy Legs Campana from last year. By his not-quite scientific standards, Hamilton just edged out Campana by a tenth of a second.

Reader Black Earthling took it  a step farther and synced the two videos for the definitive video proof.

I don't think you'll find anyone in baseball that believes Campana is as fast as Hamilton and you can see in the video Hamilton stumbling just a bit approaching second and what looks like some wide turns at second and third base that you don't see Campana taking from the wide shot and less camera time he's granted. But maybe Campana is just a better at those type of things which ultimately contribute to overall baserunning speed, although I certainly wouldn't point to this one clip as the definitive proof. And as noted by both readers, Hamilton slows up at the end once he realizes he'll be safe. But it's certainly closer than I thought it would be and makes for some fun triviality before tonight's Marlins/Cubs game.

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Submitted by Rob G. on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 1:39pm
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Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 1:46pm

Royals asked about Garza
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobl...
~shrug~

Cubs "working hard" to deal Dempster by end of the week.
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/22529...

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 2:22pm

Garza for Wil Myers. Theo/Jed - make it happen.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 2:11pm

I need someone with database, website and preferably Drupal experience to get the new site up and running. If you are one of those people or know one of those people let me know. I don't think it's particularly hard or difficult work. It's essentially taking the new site that lives on a sub-domain and having it show up at this address. Also, ideally, have our user database and old content and comments brought into the new site, although that can be done at a later date. Also, if you happen to have any CSS experience, double bonus or know of a second person as I have one appearance issue I can't solve.

I have up to a couple hundred I can probably spare to entice someone.

As for why we won't need the user database immediately, is because we're moving to Disqus comments and you all will need to sign up for a new username if you wish to comment. Begin the outrage!!!

...but the Drupal system just doesn't do what I need it to do anymore and is too far behind the times. You can use your Google account, facebook account, twitter or just sign up for a new username on Disqus, so it should be painless I hope, although I'm guessing a few of you will need to come up with new usernames unfortunately.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 2:13pm

Did Al just steal this from us or did Black Earthling post it there as well?

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/7/17/3165263/bil...

Submitted by The E-Man
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 2:24pm

FWIW, I am seeing many more posts by people whom I do not see posting here, referencing the AZ Phil. And, turning full Fan Posts out of these.

As Al does this full-time now (can't believe he left his cushy gig at WLS as a director), he is probably hunting for any worthwhile content.

Submitted by Black Earthling
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 3:32pm

Nope, I just posted it here. Thieves! Although I guess it is warranted given all the stealing these two guys do (terrible pun...I apologize).

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 3:16pm

J. Sanchez DFA'd by Royals today.

Submitted by Jace
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 3:29pm

Bijan Rademacher promoted from Boise to Peoria, Yasiel Balaguert demoted to AZL, Isaac Garsez promoted from AZL to Boise...
Hunter Cervenka also promoted to Daytona.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 3:48pm

if "faster" was all there was to it joey gathright would be working on a HOF career...easily, one of the fastest players to hit the basepaths, but his skills taking bases was as disappointing as his bat given his amazing speed.

hamilton's stride is awesome...it's like he's 7ft. tall or something.

Submitted by Newport
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 4:20pm

Can either one of these guys jump over a car?

Submitted by QuietMan
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 6:41pm

Crunch, bigger prospect crush:

Billy Hamilton this year or Paul Goldschmidt last year?

Jim Hendry at the game tonight btw.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 6:59pm

goldschimdt.

it's been a long time since ive seen someone not on a prospect list hit a ball like him. his "mistake hitter" tag was ill-placed, imo.

with hamilton i just want that touch of my childhood back...a bit of r.henderson/raines/coleman speed... he's the best chance in a long time of being a guy who can pick up that torch.

the dee gordons and m.bourns of the world are nice, but hamilton's speed even outclasses that...his base stealing skills independent of speed seem to be nice, too.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:13pm

That's cool.

I was disappointed by the Hamilton video. He didn't look real fluid when he was running. Maybe my crappy computer screwed the video?

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:18pm

don't think so, think he just stumbled a bit in that clip.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:20pm

i don't have much on his actual timed runs, but supposedly...while he's one of the fastest players out there, there's guys who are faster.

hamilton has an organization that will let him run, enough speed to do it, skills picking up the pitcher's motions, and enough hard-headedness to ignore the fact he's going to get caught sometimes so he doesn't become timid.

as far as his bat goes, it's hard to argue with what he's done the past 2.5 seasons.

he's still got a bit to prove at higher levels, it's not like he's a very young kid tearing up A ball. AA should be a nice challenge to show what he's got at this point in his career.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 5:04pm

Rosenthal tweet says Dempster and his NTC prefers Dodgers, then Braves. Link in the twitter box.

but ultimately says he'd go to any contender and only a handful of teams he'd likely nix.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 5:50pm

‘‘We can’t control that,’’ Garza said, repeating what his teammates have said. ‘‘All we can control is between the lines and our preparation.

‘‘I have a wife who’s due in 23 days, so the rumor mill can wait. When she calls, I’ll be next to her no matter where I am."

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Submitted by Cubster
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 5:51pm

Feels like old times seeing Paul Sullivan and Carlos Zambrano exchanging unpleasantries:
Z to PS: They pay you for nothing."
PS to Z: You too, I see."
Z to PS: "You never change. You stay ugly."

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 5:56pm

and of course paul sullivan is there to tell us all about it.

i'm glad he hasn't found anyone else yet to replace his whipping boys. sitting through PS articles about personal grudges no one should give a fuuuuu about about except PS and Z/m.bradley/etc makes me wonder who has editorial control over him.

...and yes, it's funny. i'm just glad PS don't have a new whipping boy...those days got a little old...especially when PS was butthurt over multiple players in over-lapping eras.

Submitted by artskoe
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 5:59pm

Wind whipping in tonight! The Dolphins will not be jumpin'...

http://www.sportsworldchicago.com/category/wr...

Submitted by artskoe
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 6:21pm

If Jacob Turner is being showcased by the Tigers tonight, he is doing nothing to help his trade possibilities. 1st 4 batters single, walk, single, HR...Tigers down 4-0 at Comerica.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 6:22pm

still take him in a deal if they're offering...

I truly hope that execs can see beyond one game when it comes to a 21-year old and 6 years of club control.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:09pm

day is done.

2ip 6h 2bb 1k (7er)

i still like the guy...good tools to build on with age/experience + good control.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:14pm

MLB EI (cable/dish) is having their mid-season free preview, fwiw.

Submitted by carmenfanzone
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:58pm

Here is what I see:

1. Dempster to the Braves. Delgado and 3rd base prospect Terdalickyoass. Makes too much sense. Reed Johnson could be included.

2. Garza, Soriano and Baker to the Tigers for Brandon Inge. OK, I'm kidding-Jacob Turner and some minor league shit will come to Chicago.

These are simply my predications and in no way are based on any factual information.

Last but not least I think Marmol will have a terrific August and will be moved in a post deadline deal and get us something good.

As always, drinking the Cubby cool-aid.

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:08pm

i really hope they don't trade garza without "replacing" his talent level next season...at a minimum, a guy like the dude who's pitching for MIA tonight, a.sanchez

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:37pm

Garza and Barney to Tigers makes more sense. Turner or Crosby would be decent gets, Plus pretty decent 2nd/3rd pieces.

Submitted by springs
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 8:42am

I hope they get at least what they gave up for Garza...mainly a good to great pitching prospect (Archer), another good prospect (Lee) and some guys who could be utitility players (Guyer and Chirinos)

Submitted by Charlie
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:45am

I don't see that happening. 1 and 1/2 years of Garza isn't equal to 3 years of Garza.

Submitted by carmenfanzone
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:00pm

Rob,

I'm interested in talking about the future of this site. Email me.

Thanks-

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:26pm

Okay, I'm going to edit that comment though because there's a good chance you'll get spammed to death.

I'll contact you shortly.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:29pm

bad Travis Wood tonight, the really bad.

Also, Carlos Lee HR in Wrigley. Rinse. Repeat.

Submitted by The Joe
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:40pm

bad Travis Wood tonight

/redundancy fixed

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 8:58pm

volstad (AAA) continuing his not-awesome streak...

"IowaCubs Final line on Volstad: 5.2 IP, 8 H, 7 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 2 K"

barf. good stuff in his arm...obviously not putting it together, though. bleh.

Submitted by dcf
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:55am

good stuff in arm, bad stuff in head

needs to figure it out pretty quickly

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 9:39pm

Part of Dempster deal from BoSox

http://m.deadspin.com/5926858/a-red-sox-prosp...

Submitted by crunch
on Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:23pm

wow...that makes tyler williams look like an all-star

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/play...

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 12:48am

Pete Rose reality show in the works.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8175147/rep...

And I'm very disappointed in America.

Submitted by The Joe
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 1:11pm

starting now?

Submitted by Arizona Phil
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:18am

Javier Baez was named MWL Player of the Week for July 9-15.

Here are Baez's combined 2012 stats between Extended Spring Training and Peoria (thru 7/16):

331/378/657
67 GAMES - 259 PA
11 2B, 7 3B, 16 HR, 49 RBI, 47 R, 8 BB, 56 K, 11 HBP, 2 GIDP, 1 SF, 27 SB (4 CS)
DEFENSE: 20 ERRORS

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 7:34am

With numbers like that, I almost don't care that he makes an error every third game or so.

Submitted by Dusty Baylor
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 8:40am

Brett Jackson 2/5 with a double and a run scored. 0 K's...we can all move on...

Submitted by springs
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 8:49am

Candelario has been slumping of late, but here is a clip from MILB of his walk-off homer two nights ago. Definitely a no-doubter.

http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?conten...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:13am

Act like you've been there before kid.

Helluva nice swing.

Submitted by John Beasley
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:17am

Agreed. With that kind of celebration, you'd think he just scored a meaningless touchdown at an end of an NFL blowout.

Submitted by Charlie
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:49am

Wonder whom he was spanking halfway between third and home there.

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:43am

I've just got a feeling about this kid.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:33am

Wtf?!

So the Cardinals, who have won more WS than anyone save the Yankees, and last year's champ, with FOUR top-50 prospects currently, are "disadvantaged" as a "small market" or "small revenue" team?

How could the fucking MLB have approved something such as this?!

Submitted by Jace
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:51am

I had the same reaction to seeing their name there. It does appear that they at least will have a lower probability of winning, given their record last year...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 1:57pm

Royals, Padres, DBacks, Orioles, Reds, Marlins get the picks.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:04pm

There is a second group of picks after the 2nd round, yes?

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:22pm

indeed...

so picks after Round 1
Royals, Pirates, DBacks, Orioles, Reds, Marlins

picks after Round 2
Padres, Indians, Rockies, A's, Brewers, Tigers

these picks are tradeable, I imagine Indians, Tigers, Pirates and Orioles would be happy to move their picks.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:25pm

Should be Pirates after the Royals pick.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:34pm

thanks for the catch.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:35pm

Again, HOW THE HELL is MIA a "small market"?

And, further, they just broke the bank on FA's yet they are shopping at the Dollar Store?

What bullshit...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:59pm

10 teams lowest in revenue + 10 teams in the smallest markets were eligible for the picks post-1st round. Since there's overlap, only 13 teams were eligible (D-backs, Orioles, Indians, Royals, A’s, Pirates, Padres, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Marlins, Brewers and Cardinals.). Miami qualified under the lowest revenue qualification I'm sure, Cards probably under 10 smallest markets. Chances of winning a pick are weighed against last year's record (Rays and Cards with the least chance to win).

after the 6 picks were awarded for round 1, those 7 teams get a chance at picks after Round 2, but any team that received some revenue sharing and is below the top 15 markets is added. That was just the Tigers.

so out of the 14 teams ultimately eligible under these convoluted rules, only Rays and Cardinals were shut out.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 3:14pm

Thanks. That is nicely detailed.

However, the MIA owners during the last 20 years were chiefly interested in appreciation of the team, and not terrifically concerned if the team won. Should that be rewarded? What I mean is, they were responsible for being losers at the gate.

Fucking Selig...

Submitted by Newport
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 5:05pm

Wtf is the Tigers payroll?

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 5:19pm

$134 million.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensatio...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 5:24pm

I don't think payroll has much to do with fwiw. And I presume they're based off end of 2011 numbers as well.

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 6:07pm

I realize Chicago is a "big" market, but we also have 2 teams. The Cardinals don't have to compete with anyone for their eyeballs, whereas the Cubs are competing with another team 10 miles away.

That's a pretty legit point, right?

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 6:25pm

I don't know how accurate these numbers are, but Chicago is 3.5 times larger than the St. Louis market

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/base...

so I'd say, not that legit...

and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I would presume the larger the market, there's probably a larger concentration of a wealth.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 8:46pm

Interesting points, but there is quite a bit of wealth in the St. Louis area. And, Auggie Busch IV is not going to be turned out on the street anytime soon.

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo
on Thu, 07/19/2012 - 8:56am

Who are you to come in here with your "facts" making all kinds of "sense"?

It's still a ridiculous, socialist rule.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Thu, 07/19/2012 - 11:21am

Please post here more

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo
on Thu, 07/19/2012 - 12:48pm

My internet dickhead detector has been on the fritz lately, so I can't tell at all how that comment was intended.

In the meantime, I'm going to continue my current posting pattern, which is typically 3-4 per week, primarily on old threads no one checks anymore.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Thu, 07/19/2012 - 4:53pm

I enjoyed your comment.

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo
on Fri, 07/20/2012 - 8:44am

Oh, well fantastic. Sorry, just some PTSD from the days of Silent Towel and The Real Neal.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 12:46pm

not much

something about Tigers wanting to pursue a separate deal for Barney for a mid-level prospect

and MLBTR dude says Castellanos and probably Turner are off-limits for a SP, but Crosby, Bruce Rondon and C Rob Brantly could be available.

Dodgers, Braves, Tigers, Red Sox seem to be the teams of interest.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 12:54pm

Nightengale tweets that Red Sox/Marlins talking Carl Crawford for H. Ramirez/H. Bell trade.

fun stuff.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 1:11pm

Yep. Same Nightengale who insisted the Cubs were resigning Hendry. He's a penis.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 1:13pm

Olney squashes it like a bug saying it was briefly discussed and dismissed.

Nightengale also says Miami and Tigers talking Infante trade, which would mean no Barney trade of course.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 1:26pm

MLB Network showing the competitive balance lottery ping pong ball thingy with a big photo of Soriano right behind it.

Subliminal message to the teams watching to trade for him.

Submitted by crunch
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:19pm

-hate- this change so much.

it's an opening to trading draft picks...barf.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:27pm

Dave (Pittsburgh): Jim, I'm interested in whether you think the views of Josh Vitters have been affected at all by his performance this season. Though it is true that the PCL has a rep as a hitters' league, it is also true that (with Rizzo now in the majors), Vitters is the youngest guy in the PCL with an OPS of over .800, and a goodly number of the two dozen guys with better OPS' are considerably older. Also, he seems to now have a track record of adjusting to new leagues after a slow start. Still, no one -- not BA, not ESPN, not anyone else -- is even acknowledging that this former top 5 pick who has not yet turned 23 even exists (from a prospect perspective. Is there more to this story that is not obvious to those of us who do not actually see him play?

Jim Callis: Not sure how we don't acknowledge his existence when he ranked No. 9 on our Cubs prospect list coming into the season. Vitters has made some strides this year, but his numbers aren't exceptional for the PCL and he still doesn't walk much. Scouts aren't sold that he can handle third base defensively at the big league level. He's a prospect, but he's not a top prospect and his ceiling is solid regular at best.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1342621862

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 2:38pm

Thanks for sharing.

Seeing what Stewart brings, and Valbuena is most likely a nice bench player, I am ok with a "solid regular".

But AZ PHIL was never sold on his defensive prowess either, which is sorely needed at 3B.

Submitted by VirginiaPhil
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 4:26pm

Dave (Pittsburgh) wrote: Vitters is the youngest guy in the PCL with an OPS of over .800.

Should say that Vitters is the youngest qualifying (minimum 2.7 PAs/game) PCL player with an .800+ OPS.

Will Myers (Omaha/Royals), for one example--and it would take some legwork to figure out how many there are like him--is 21 and has an OPS of 1.023 in 234 PAs. Vitters' OPS is .858.

The leader board at MILB.com is skewed toward older players, since they weren't just promoted and aren't going anywhere.

I'll just toss in that Vitters' 16-game hitting streak is nice but may not be helping him get to where he needs to be, since he can keep the streak going with singles. Historically, he tends to be satisfied with singles.

(Vitters hasn't hit a home run since the first game of the streak.)

edit: Okay, I found the right table in BR. Myers is the only exception to what Pittsburgh Dave said.

Submitted by Cubster
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 5:22pm

Randy Wells put on Iowa's DL with right elbow strain

(If Dempster goes it's between Loserstad and Rod-Lo)

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/viewart/2012...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 5:23pm

decent odds Cubs are getting someone back though as well

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 8:54pm

A pair of Chicago Cubs minor league pitchers have tested positive for metabolites of Stanozolol, according to a press release from the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball.

Juancito De La Cruz and Antonio Encarnacion, both right-handed starters, have been suspended for 50 games without pay after testing positive for the performance-enhancing substance. Both De La Cruz and Encarnacion are currently on the roster of the Dominican Summer League Cubs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/i...

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:58pm

This is not "Frankie de la Cruz" right?

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:02pm

Theo looking to go surfing...

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/i...

Submitted by crunch
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 9:41pm

this rain sure is rain.

-edit- this delay sure is a delay.

Submitted by Mornington Crescent
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:01pm

Game over, Cubs win.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:03pm

Donnie Veal recalled by the White Sox.

Submitted by jacos
on Thu, 07/19/2012 - 6:39am

Steve Stone is salivating

Submitted by crunch
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:24pm

SF/ATL game is good, fwiw... 3-3, top 11 (2 run top and bottom 10th drama was fun).

free preview on MLB EI (cable/dish)

-edit- well, a 6 run top 11th has scaled down the drama in this game...nevermind

Submitted by QuietMan
on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:37pm

Garza, Dempster and the usual blah blah blah. Plus...

Interest in Cubs’ starters goes past Dempster and Garza. Left-hander Paul Maholm is a solid starter who a scouting source indicated is getting looks from the Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates -- his previous club.

As far as Chicago’s position players go, numerous teams are interested in Geovany Soto, according to a major league source. Soto is playing his best baseball of the season and would likely be available for the right package. Soto was almost traded to Pittsburgh last July before the Cubs backed out at the last minute. The Angels may be looking to upgrade the offense behind the plate and make a pitch for Soto.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/i...

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