Braves Appear to Win the Ryan Dempster Lotto

David O'Brien started it all with a tweet saying that the Braves were close to finalizing a deal for a starting pitcher and then Jon Heyman, Jerry Crasnick and Jason Stark said it was Ryan Dempster.

Here's a top 20 Braves prospect list to start speculating upon. I'm hoping Cubs can get one of Randall Delgado or Mike Minor and another decent arm.

Details emerging...

UPDATE #1: MLB.com beat writer for the Braves does say that Delgado could be one of the parts heading to the Cubs.

UPDATE #2: No doubt this is happening now and could be completed by the afternoon. Still awaiting the specifics though.

UPDATE #3: Keith Law speaks, "Filed to ESPN - if the Dempster trade is completed, Randall Delgado is in it, as well as something to balance the money". If that is indeed the complete deal, it's going to be Dempster and $$ for Delgado, or 2 months of Dempster for 5+ years of Delgado at pre-arbitration money until about 2015. 

UPDATE #4: Kapman throws a little water on the fire, saying talks still ongoing. Also rumors now from Jim Bowden that Cubs and Dodgers are waist-deep in a Matt Garza for Zach Lee swap. 

UPDATE #5: The twitter account for Dempster's charity(from which TCR has been banned from for some reason) has this sobering tweet: "THERE IS NO TRADE dont know where this info came from!" Well la-dee-da!

UPDATE #6: Kaplan says the deai is just awaiting Dempster's approval, and judging by Dempster's tweet, that's not a sure thing.

UPDATE #7: So Dempster is refusing to talk about it to reporters, other than to say there is no trade. Delgado's agent hasn't heard anything. As the trade world turns...

UPDATE #8: As I, and I'm sure many others suspected, Heyman is saying the Cubs and Braves have agreed to a deal, but Dempster hasn't waived his 10/5 rights...and it certainly sounds like he's holding on to that bargaining chip for as long as he can.

UPDATE #9: Nightengale with the same info, deal agreed upon between Cubs and Braves, just a matter if Dempster will approve. Len already tweeted a farewell to Dempster.

FINAL UPDATE FOR TODAY: The Cubs brass have told Sveum that no deal is done and earlier reports were false, but does say that Dempster still could be traded. Translation: The Cubs brass fucked up and didn't keep Dempster in the loop and they're in damage control now.

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Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 1:27pm

Mark Bowman
‏@mlbbowman
Confirmed Ryan Dempster is coming to the Braves. Still trying to confirm details but Delgado could be on the other end of the deal

https://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/22746447...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 1:36pm

slow on the trigger Cubster...

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 1:39pm

Haha! one really has to be Jessie James around these parts.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 1:53pm

keithlaw‏@keithlaw
if the Dempster trade is completed, Randall Delgado is in it, as well as something to balance the money

https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/227474908...

Submitted by QuietMan
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:10pm

JIM BOWDEN‏@JimBowdenESPNxm

Cubs not resting on their laurels continue trade discussions with Dodgers on deal that would send Matt Garza for package including Zach Lee

Submitted by QuietMan
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 6:11pm

JIM BOWDEN‏@JimBowdenESPNxm

Colby Lewis is out for the yr according to the Rangers even more likely now that Olt and/or MPerez will be dealt for Hamels,Garza or Greinke

Submitted by John Beasley
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 6:31pm

I just don't see Philly trading Hamels.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:16pm

(I think Kaplan is referring to Atlanta/Dempster)
Ryan Dempster traded to Atlanta. Sources tell me Cubs made great deal to land young pitching. I am working on names. Back at u all shortly. (1:16, cst)

thekapman David Kaplan (2:12, cst)
Just spoke with great source. No deal has been agreed upon. Talks ongoing. Nothing done yet.
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Ken Rosenthal also pee-d on his shoe.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:23pm

And, Nick Cafarro weighed in that the Cubs should give the newly acquired players to the Red Sox as part of a more fair compensation for Theo.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:30pm

And, Nick Cafarro weighed in that the Cubs should give the newly acquired players to the Red Sox as part of a more fair compensation for Theo.
----
Cafardo is gullible enough that he'd probably think it was OK if he was getting This guy for Theo

http://lockerz.com/s/227421826

Submitted by Ryno
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:55pm

The theo deal is done. Time to move on, Boston.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:58pm

Nevah!!

Submitted by Jim Hickmans Bat
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:28pm

Zach Lee is nowhere near enough for Garza. Lee's star has fallen almost as fast this year as Trey McNutt's did last year. Hell, the Cubs minor leaguers have pounded Lee twice this season already. Just say no.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:33pm

will the real Ryan Dempster please stand up?
---
Dempster Foundation ‏@RyanDempsterFDN
THERE IS NO TRADE dont know where this info came from!

http://twitter.com/RyanDempsterFDN

Submitted by Tito
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:44pm

Joe Sheehan out of Atlanta says the Braves have "vacated the Dempster trade."

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:46pm

there's some "Vacating" joke meme he's been doing, Sheehan is not a breaker of news.

Submitted by Tito
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:50pm

He needs some new material.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:47pm

fuck the internet sometimes...

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:54pm

Per Muskat, Kaplan and Padilla:

Dempster just walked into the clubhouse and is putting on his Cubs uniform.

Padilla/ESPN-Dempster declines to talk. Won't discuss Speculation.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:51pm

Dempster walked into the clubhouse (not the beginning of a joke). I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

His tweet sounded like a man perturbed that he had to hear it from twitter or somewhere other than the powers-that-be. Although, if he's annoyed by that, where the fuck has he been the last 2 months?

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:26pm

As the kids would say, "Really?"

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:51pm

(or his Captain America costume?)

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:57pm

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
My best guess on what's happening with #Cubs' Dempster. Agreement or near-agreement on players and cash, no agreement with Dempster. MORE.

Dempster 10/5 rights, can veto any deal. #Braves his No. 2 choice after #Dodgers. May simply be matter of enticing him to waive no-trade.
7 minutes ago

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:59pm

Padilla/ESPN: Sarcastic Demp: "If it's on the internet, it must be true."

Submitted by Ryno
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:04pm

Twitter is more real than reality.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:59pm

thekapman David Kaplan
Per Randall Delgado's agent: We haven't heard a thing about him being traded.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:13pm

Brian Roberts! Brian Roberts! Brian Roberts!

Who the fuck is Dave O'Brian anyway?

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:15pm

Atlantic Journal-Constitution writer

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/about/

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:21pm

Thanks ROB G. Well, Mr. O'Brian could be the Southern Phil Rogers? that may have been some unfounded "Tweeting" to begin with.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:33pm

5 other guys jumped on right after him that a deal was done.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:42pm

They can always say they were following O'Brian ;)

Submitted by VirginiaPhil
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:17pm

Former UIC lefty Michael Heesch off to good start at Boise:

5 games, 10 innings, 10 hits, no runs, no walks, 11 Ks.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:31pm

I wouldn't be jumping up and down to move to ATL, personally.

Maybe we match up with the Angels better? Seems like he may just like the West Coast. Plus, it is much closer to BC where he's from.

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:38pm

randall de-base-on-balls-o....awesome...a 5 inning/100+ pitch strikeout pitcher with control issues.

hope he's bringing more talent with him if it's legit.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:05pm

Padilla/ESPN: Sveum said he talked to Cubs decision makers and no deal with Braves was in place.

Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat
Cubs mgr Sveum says no deal re: Dempster to Braves. Called it "fabrication"

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:07pm

whole thing is weird...people talking about his no-trade rights, but as of a few days/week+ ago the braves were supposedly on his list of places he wouldn't mind going.

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:10pm

Bueller?

Submitted by artskoe
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:28pm

Mike check?

Submitted by Dr. aaron b
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 10:09pm

Gaylord.......Gaylord.......Butkiss.......Butkiss

Submitted by tem99
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:12pm

My guess is that Sveum was more or less told what to say until the whole 10/5 thing gets worked out. No need to risk saying anything else.

If/when this goes through, solid trade for Theo and Hoyer here. Got a very high upside guy under club control for 5 more years for 2+ months of Dempster.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:06pm

Called it "fabrication"
---
So the deal is on hold until someone sews Dempster an Atlanta uniform?

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:07pm

I'm on it.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:18pm

so to guess,

somehow story leaked from Atlanta (David O'Brien and their MLB.com beat writer, Bowman had it first) and then national guys jumped on it as well.

All before Cubs got a hold of Dempster.

Dempster not happy (maybe with Atlanta, maybe he was told he'd be in the loop, who knows why?)...so they're in damage control now.

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:33pm

the only problem with it is all the rumors/articles saying ATL was on his "short list" or "list" or whatever...either way, it was supposed to be one of his more desired teams.

be interesting if it was 1 bad long-running rumor crashing into another bad-trade rumor...kinda not...ready to get the dumpster trade over with...and ready to keep garza...or trade him and then sign a.sanchez in the offseason on the "kinda cheap"...sigh.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:25pm

Feel free to correct me, and I am sure you will, but I do not recall ONE former Brave player whom we received in a trade that was any good for the Cubs. Seems like they always fleeced Hendry, Lynch, McFail, etc.

Free Agents, sure. Except Jeff Blauser. DeRosa is probably the most productive ex-Brave the Cubs signed. And, was an amazing super-sub.

We have only had misery from any association with the Braves. I think of guys like Marcus Giles (Prior), the aforementioned Blauser, Maddux, Jose Ascanio, Mike Remlinger...Who am I forgetting?

Submitted by tem99
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:29pm

The Jose Hernandez (99?) trade for 3 pitchers (Joey Nation, Micah Bowie and ???) who never amounted to anything was another trade where the Cubs got taken by the braves.

Submitted by dcf
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:37pm

Rueben Quevedo. The Hernandez trade also included Terry Mulholland from the Cubs to the Braves.

Also D-Lee for Robinson Lopez, Jeffrey Lorick and Tyrelle Harris. Lorick and Harris are still in the system.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:34pm

Braves/Cubs transactions

http://wiklifield.thecubreporter.com/Atlanta_...

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:36pm

free tool

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/trade-...

lol...tool.

also,

April 28, 1966: The Chicago Cubs traded Bobby Cox and cash to the Atlanta Braves for Billy Cowan.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:46pm

lol! See what I mean?! The Cubs are indirectly and directly responsible for them winning the World Series!

Submitted by Arizona Phil
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 7:05pm

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 3:25pm — The E-Man

Feel free to correct me, and I am sure you will, but I do not recall ONE former Brave player whom we received in a trade that was any good for the Cubs. Seems like they always fleeced Hendry, Lynch, McFail, etc.

Free Agents, sure. Except Jeff Blauser. DeRosa is probably the most productive ex-Brave the Cubs signed. And, was an amazing super-sub.

We have only had misery from any association with the Braves. I think of guys like Marcus Giles (Prior), the aforementioned Blauser, Maddux, Jose Ascanio, Mike Remlinger...Who am I forgetting?

===============================

E-MAN: Jack Curtis for Bob Buhl was a good trade for the Cubs.

Also, Socks Seibold and four others plus $200K for Rogers Hornsby was a VERY good deal. Helped the Cubs win the pennant in '29.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 7:24pm

PHIL: In the Magical Cubs 1961 Season, Jack Curtis had the following line: W 10 L13 4.89ERA, with a whip of 1.50.

But he did pitch 180 innings that year which would be an "innings eater" these days, and a "spot starter" in 1961.

But, I am glad you mentioned him so it forced me to look him up!

Anyway, if that's all we can come up with - even more pathetic. ha! And, I can only relate to the 1969 Atlanta Braves moving forward as the Mets beat them in the first ever "NLCS" and I was so bitter knowing that our boys would have swept them.

Submitted by Arizona Phil
on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 1:52am

E-MAN: I should have said the Cubs got Bob Buhl for Jack Curtis, and then Buhl went on to have four pretty good seasons for a bad Cubs team (he won 51 games 1962-65) before going to the Phillies with Larry Jackson in the deal in which the Cubs acquired Fergie Jenkins and Adolfo Phillips, while Jack Curtis worked mostly as a lefty reliever for the Braves in 1962 before getting traded to Cleveland and almost immediately going into the Witness Protection Program.

Buhl was actually a very reliable starting pitcher for the Cubs the entire time he was in Chicago, but the two things I remember most about him are that he was a terrible hitter, and he sweated like a pig, even if it was 40 degrees.

Submitted by TJ
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:36pm

You can throw the Omar Infante trade in with the others. We received the forgettable Jose Ascanio. They got a guy who made an all star team and who is still going strong. They parlayed Infante into Uggla.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:40pm

Tigets get Infante and A. Sanchez from Marlins according to Morosi.

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:43pm

nooooooooooooooooo....not a.sanchez.

damn.

i'm sorry, but if dude isn't gonna test FA i -really- want garza to stick around. sanchez is undervalued...

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:48pm

Man. I liked me an A. Sanchez

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:44pm

Jacob Turner headed to Marlins and others.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:52pm

@pgammo: 1st draft pick deal:A Sanchez, Infante and comp balance pick for Jacob Turner, Rob Brantly, , Brian Flynn and Det. comp pick. Fascinating

Submitted by The E-Man
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 4:57pm

Fuckers.

Submitted by Ryno
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 7:56pm

Awesome move by Detroit.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 5:06pm

Ichiro to Yanks, check the twitter box for details.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 8:12pm

Joel Sherman‏@Joelsherman1

Fangraph's UZR-150 has Ichiro by far MLB best def OF. But not sure about system since 2d best is Alfonso Soriano. I kid u not.

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 7:48am

It always helps your statistical ratings when you don't make any errors. Also, Sori has actually been pretty decent in the OF this year.

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 5:12pm

Muskat Ramblings on Dempster's day:

http://t.co/PwXvZQMR

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 8:22pm

ninja has ruined his own no-hitter through 8...only hit so far is a grounder to 2nd on which mcCl beat out ninja on a footrace to 1st.

that said, he's in line for his first complete game with 99 pitches through 8ip.

Submitted by Jim Hickmans Bat
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 8:31pm

If you jinxed it again....

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 8:52pm

marmol up in the pen, cubs batting top 9th...heh.

...and marmol it is.

at least we'll never have to worry about a pitcher going over 120 pitches...they have a hard enough time getting 100 pitches a game.

Submitted by crunch
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 8:36pm

someone remembered to pack t.campana for the road trip. he's out of his suitcase and pinch running for soriano after a double.

Submitted by jacos
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 8:55pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVjN3t8cj74

Submitted by Cubster
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 9:14pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnYnSnVmXvM&fe...

Submitted by QuietMan
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 9:28pm

"They really haven't told me anything specific (to work on)," Vitters said. "I just assume it means I need to get better at everything. I'm not there for a reason. It's because I need to get more repetition, I need to improve every single day as much as I possibly can."

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2012...

Submitted by SFToby
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 10:59pm

I see Almora smacked a 2 run bomb this evening.

Submitted by QuietMan
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 11:05pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1XAc1JVWhg

Already on youtube.

Submitted by SFToby
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 11:16pm

I know. I saw that. Let's hope these kids (Soler, Almora, Baez, et al) make it to Wrigley someday. So many get stuck on their way to MLB.

Submitted by Newport
on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 11:43pm

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/ba...

Cubs AAAA team is interested in LaHair. Duh.

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 9:07am

With Garza likely to miss a start, does this mean that he will not be traded prior to the trade deadline?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/819...

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