Giants Stomp on Cubs at HoHoKam Park

Buster Posey and Joaquin Arias collected three hits a piece, as the Giants defeated the Cubs 9-3 in Cactus League action this afternoon at Dwight Pattrerson Field at HoHoKam Park in Mesa, AZ.



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Travis Wood got the start for the Cubs and labored through four innings of work (93 pitches - only 50 strikes), surrendering four runs on seven hits (three doubles and four singles) and four walks (including Giants pitcher Ryan Vogelsong twice, the second one a lead-off four-pitch walk) plus two WP. Wood had two especially long innings (a 26-pitch 3rd and a 28-pitch 4th) that probably precluded him from going out for a 5th inning. 


"Supersub" utility man Brent Lillibridge had an absolutely awful day at shortstop, a performance that will call into question whether he can or should ever play the position (which is his "natural" position, BTW) in an MLB regular season game. He commited a fielding error in the top of the 1st that allowed a batter to reach base (and as a result T. Wood had to pitch out of a bases-loaded jam), and made three bad throws later in the game (one a terrible relay throw on what should have been a 4-6-3 DP, another a one-hopper that first-baseman Steve Clevenger was able to snag and then tag the batter-runner for an out, and a 3rd that should have been the start of a 6-4-3 DP but ended up in RF, eventualy allowing two unearned runs to score). 


Cory Wade (battling for the last slot in the bullpen) had a poor outing, throwing two innings and allowing four runs (but only two ER thanks to the Lillibridge throwing error) on four hits (including two doubles) and a walk. Wade threw several low-pitch innings in previous appearances and looked to be efficient if not over-powering, but he did that by pitching-to-contact and probably having some luck with BABIP. But today his stuff was exposed as below average and VERY hittable, and so I doubt that he will be seeing Wrigley Field anytime soon.    


Shawn Camp and Hector Rondon were very good, however, Camp striking out the side in a 1-2-3 8th, and Rondon throwing a scoreless 9th with one strikeout. 


The Cubs offense mostly struggled against Giants SP Ryan Vogelsong, eventually scoring three runs, one on an RBI double by David DeJesus that SF CF Angel Pagan lost in the sun, and the other a two-out two-run HR into the bullpen beyond the RF fence by Dioner Navarro in the bottom of the 6th (Vogelsong's last inning), Navarro's 4th Cactus League HR of 2013. 

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The defense wasnt the best, but Cory Wade did not do himself any favors in making the pitching staff.

AZP--What's the deal with Panigua? This guy is presumably one of the Cubs' top 2-3 starting pitcher prospects, signed with much fanfare last year. Now he's gone all Waldo on us? Or have you sighted the guy in Mesa?

I get dark visions of Lillibridge as the New Jose Macias....

Don't you dare slander the non-great Macias. He's my favorite shitty ex-cub (closely beating out Choi, Fox and Dubois)

Choi actually had some talent until he got "outed". My fave shitty ex-Cub from the 2000's - on has to be Randall Simon. Wade Miller is up there too simply b/c he had the balls and the good sense to get Jim Hendry to sign him

None of those guys saved a season like Neifi.

(golf clap)

That's true...but I was only thinking of baseball players.

I like to fondly recall the time in spring training 2005 that Glendon Rusch got his entire $2 million salary paid to him in twenties and then stuffed it all into his uniform before taking the mound.

Isn't that about the same time Hendry slimmed down? Coincidence?

With a 12 year career, and a .7 WAR, Neifi wouldn't make my "shittiest Cub List". Typically mediocre and overused during the Dusty regime for sure, though.

920 PA .276/.297/.384 - .681 OPS - N.Perez

1244 PA .263/.305/.349 - .654 OPS - D.Barney

lulz. sigh.

Removed because I don't know how to read.

those are solely cubs numbers.

neifi needed injuries to get more ABs after his 1-season sink/swim...barney is getting ready to go into year 3 of being handed the job as a starter.

i hope they're done with him as soon as it's time to start actually paying him for his glove game...unless he's fine working injury replacement/rest replacement/late inning bench.

Of course Neifi was 31-32 with the Cubs:
2005-$1,000,000
2006-$2,500,000
Barney was 25-26 making:
2011- $500,000
2012- $562,000

yeah, that's why i hope the cubs are done with him when it's time to start paying him real money unless he's happy working part time off the bench.

d.barney is about to go into year 3 as the undisputed starter.

True. Barney as the cheap starter during rebuilding is all well and good.
I'm hoping he gets some competition from Logan Watkins next year.

I felt the same about Terry O.

...about Terry O.
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SCRAPPY!

Which insulted your senses more Neifi the lead off hitter or Neifi the # 5 hitter?

neifi's 115-ish leadoff PAs...the blight on the cubs that will never die.

he didn't deserve to be there, of course.

119 batting 1st...2 batting 5th...looked it up. he hit 7th and 2nd a lot more.

Wasn't his fault that Dusty was his manager. Sori is not to be faulted for Hendry giving him an 8-year contract with an NTC.

True.
He sucked balls. That was his fault.

He had a few good years with the team. But the knee injury robbed him of several very productive years he may have had with the team.

everything is dusty's fault last i checked...and he's the only guy that would actually let d.barney be a starter for 3 years...i mean, let n.perez be a starter for 1 year.

Darwin Barney is a better hitter and defender than Neifi and is playing on a team that isn't trying to compete.

calling d.barney a better hitter is like saying having AIDS is better than having Super AIDS. hell, one could argue that d.barney is a worse hitter. neifi had .13 better BA, .08 worse OB%, and .27 better slugging...still, it's low level pathetic either way, either player, no matter who has the edge.

You can't argue he's a worse hitter and again the key here is non-competing team. Cheap player who plays very good defense and not blocking anyone that I know of. Unlike Neifi where we were actually trying to compete with that black hole at SS. This team is spending money on the players it really wants and I can guarantee if they see someone better at 2b when the time is right they will get them.

There is really no comparison.

yeah, you can argue he's a worse hitter...there's no slam-dunk...there's even an argument you can point to with numbers that he's a worse hitter.

still, this an argument about 2 of the worst full time players the cubs have had...1 got 1 full season...the other is getting a shot at a 3rd full season. ronny cedeno got a full year, too, worse than neifi or d.barney...at least he only got 1 season, though.

Which insulted your senses more Neifi the lead off hitter or Neifi the # 5 hitter?
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I love this question.

Some of this history is a bit blurry to me these days but as I recall...When DLee broke his wrist (April 2006) it was Neifi who replaced him. Todd Walker was shifted to first and Neifi played 2nd. I don't recall Neifi being put into DLee's spot in the lineup, so he probably batted in the 1-2 slot. Did Neifi really bat 5th? As I recall, they went with Todd Walker over Grudz (after 2004 season) because Walker hit lefty...foreshadowing the Hendry's Milton Bradley choice when he and Lou decided the Cubs needed to get more left handed.

With Lee out, the Cubs could move Todd Walker over from second base or use veteran utility player John Mabry, manager Dusty Baker said after Wednesday's game.

neifi had 7 PA batting 5th in 06...2 PA in 05. he mostly hit 2nd or 8th in 06...2nd or 7th in 05...

dusty had/has a thing for "contact hits 2nd"...no matter the ob%, if you don't K a lot and make contact, that's how he loves to use the #2 slot. it was nice to see dusty use t.walker in the 2 slot vs righties when he was a cub...it's the type of guy you give a manager like dusty if you're a GM that wants your "contact hits 2nd" manager to plug into the #2 slot a guy who has ob% along with his contact.

Neifi batting 5th more then once was enough. I just remember him batting 5th or 6th and bunting for last out with tying run on third in 9th.

Neifi started out with some good ideas and good intentions.

He just took them a little too far....

needs more adderall and methamphetamines.

he kept the trains on time

Ha ha. I saw what you did there.

Since (golf clap) has already been used on this thread, I'll just say thanks for that comment.

OPS+ by year

Neifi
2003 - 141 (67PA - ignore)
2004 - 79
2005 - 53 (before trade to Detroit)

Barney
2010 - 54 (85 PA - ignore)
2011 - 83
2012 - 79

OPS+ is even hated by a lot of stat geeks =p

it's a "park adjusted" faith stat along with a comparative season aggregate stat.

most people hate ERA+ more, though.

Isn't it normalized by league average? It seems traditional measures wouldn't account for the currently depressed run environment.

Muskat with some quotes from Scott Baker after his recent MRI and MD visit with Dr. Gryzlo. Not much news but, whatever.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...

...and the Halos received a couple of token minor leaguers in outfielder Exicardo Cayones and lefty reliever Kramer Sneed.

This is interesting only in that Soriano might bring. Wells to the Yankees with NY picking up $13M/2 for 2 useless prospects and salary relief for the Angels that gets them under the salary cap.

useless is practically an over-statement. e.cayones is interesting, but he has an alarming lack of power with no above-average speed to match. k.sneed's numbers makes him look like he's close to being out of organized ball given his age, performance, and level.

if the best the cubs can hope to get out of shifting soriano is saving $10-$15 and picking up little of talent in exchange...well, they still have to replace what soriano can do even if he's overpaid to do it.

Totally different beast. The Yanks wanted a name on the cheap without giving up prospects. Epstein wants prospects as a key portion of the deal. Hence, why the deal never happened with Soriano.

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  • it's been a while since joe's over-managed a game...it's gotta feel good for him to be back in the saddle making people's scorecards look like their pens blew up.

    crunch 21 min 28 sec ago view
  • Fuck a bench spot on the playoff roster, Coghlan is competing to bat cleanup.

    John Beasley 2 hours 37 min ago view
  • barely any...especially for an evening game. place looks 1/2 full at best to start the game.

    crunch 2 hours 59 min ago view
  • Listening on the radio. Are there any fans in the stands at all?

    Brick 3 hours 8 min ago view
  • "An MRI taken Monday on the right side of Jorge Soler showed no major damage."

    crunch 4 hours 9 min ago view
  • rare air though if he can keep it under 2. Sounds like Maddon already made up his mind though and Hendricks seems like the sort that would want to earn it. Guessing he gets a quick hook if he's still under 2 after 5 innings.

    Fwiw, he can give up 1 ER in 5 innings (or more) and still be under 2. If he gives up 2 ER, he would need throw 9 IP to keep it under 2. 1 ER in 4 IP would give him an ERA of exactly 2.

    In terms of WAR, it's still Scherzer by a lot (6.4), then Cueto (5.6), Lester (5.5), Kershaw (5.5), Roark (5.4), and then Hendricks (5.1)

    Rob G. 5 hours 23 min ago view
  • Boring lineup tonight in terms of guys trying to reach milestones -- no KB (40 HR), Addy (100 RBI) or JHey (can he keep it going?), and Lackey isn't really going for anything, plus the team has already reached 100 wins. I get the "rest" thing, although they will have 4 days off after Sunday, but....bleh.

    billybucks 6 hours 7 min ago view
  • Agree -- I think you want to keep him on a regular schedule.

    billybucks 6 hours 27 min ago view
  • Ramos torn ACL

    jacos 6 hours 54 min ago view
  • Sure, its not about his record.

    jacos 6 hours 56 min ago view
  • Do you start him Sunday or not?

    @jonmorosi Pitchers w/ sub-2.00 ERA in year of 185+ IP this century: Pedro ’00, Clemens ’05, Kershaw ’13/’14, Arrieta ’15, Greinke ’15, Hendricks ’16.

    Rob G. 8 hours 18 min ago view
  • Yeah -- that would be rough for him. But, Monty is getting people out, he's a lefty and he has experience working out of the bullpen. Hammel? None of the above.

    billybucks 9 hours 12 min ago view
  • even if he's not starting, abandoning hammel would be a bit of a 'screw you.' i think it might be -monty +hammel, but it's speculation.

    either way, someone's gonna be disappointed.

    crunch 10 hours 14 min ago view
  • Joe said he is leaning towards 11 pitchers and 14 position players.

    - 4 starters, Chapman, Rondon, Strop, CJ, Wood, Grimm, Monty. No dice for Cahill or Smith.
    - 3 catchers, Rizz, Zo, Addy, KB, Javy, Heyward, Fowler, Soler, Coghlan, TLS and then Sczcur over Almora?

    billybucks 10 hours 25 min ago view
  • Cubs 3B Jason Vosler made two really bad throws on consecutive AB in the 8th. Fortunately the game was no longer in doubt at the time  

    The first one was a one-hop lob that allowed the batter to reach base on an infield single, and the second was air-mailed so far over the first-baseman's head that it went over the fence and landed in Field #4.

    Arizona Phil 10 hours 59 min ago view
  • E-MAN: Despite the HR, Donnie Dewees is really more of a slash hitter (the HR was an opposite-field line-drive) who can accumulate lots of doubles & triples. He's also a good bunter and can get on base that way, too. Although he was thrown out trying to steal in the game, he's actually a good base-stealer and baserunner.

    Defensively he has plus-range and tracks fly balls OK, so he can play CF, but he has a rag arm that requires the middle infielders to go out further into CF to make relays.

    Arizona Phil 11 hours 1 min ago view