Sunday Game Thread: Cubs (5-11) v. Brewers (8-8)

The Brewers go for the series sweep, their 7th win in a row overall, and their 17th win in the last 22 meetings with the Cubs.

Is that depressing enough for you?

Cubs v. Wily Peralta (0-1, 6.19; pitched well but took an ND in 4/9 game at Wrigley which the Cubs eventually won against the Brewer bullpen): DeJesus 8, Castro 6, Rizzo 3, Soriano 7, Schierholtz 9, Castillo 2, Valbuena 5, Barney 4, Feldman 1.

Brewers v. Scott Feldman (0-2, 6.00; pitching for the first time since a loss to the Giants 10 days ago): Aoki 9, Segura 6, Braun 7, Weeks 4, Maldonado 2, Gonzalez 3, Gomez 8, Betancourt 5, Peralta 1.



scott failedman...sigh.

Rulemasters: as per a play in the TB/OAK game. Pitcher A gets two outs and puts two batters on base. Pitcher B comes in and throws a wild pitch, scoring a run. The run is then credited to pitcher A because it is still his batter. Correct?

THE JOE: Correct. 

Just now catching up on my reading. Thanks Phil, I figured as much, just didn't like it.

cubs are 5-12.

is it 2014 2015 2016 yet?

Theo can probably extend Feldman's contract on the cheap right now.

Give him 8/40 so he doesn't burn Theo on the Free Agent Market

$8 million over 40 years?

Bobby Bonilla Mets special

...make your move...

Well, maybe they could do a 20 year contract, since everyone is going big these days.

So, are we back to having a manager who semi-bashes the most talented and valuable young players on the team and makes empty threats about calling up the totally non-existent AAA reserves? Because I'm opposed to that.

Why isn't the answer to questions about Castro's defense always simply, "We're working together with him daily to help him perform as well as he possibly can in every area of the game. He's still a very young player, but we'll see more payoffs to his consistent hard work soon." ? Then if you want to yell at him and scare him because you think that will motivate him (I'm skeptical, but OK), do that in private in the manager's office when there are no reporters admitted.

It might be different if Baez were rocking AAA or AA and could realistically put pressure on Castro, though if all else were as it is now that would only mean that either Castro or Baez would be manning 3B soon.

Isn't that what they have been doing for the past two years?

Can't say I am really surprised with the frustration, but I am sure Dale regrets the comments.

If the Cubs decide to move Castro to second, is this something that can be done during the season, or are they better off waiting?

It's a dumb comment by Sveum. What did he expect when he signed on with the Cubs? Help these kids grow instead of bashing them in the face. They're gonna send down Rizzo? Is that the threat? How idiotic is that? The guy has bungled a few ground balls in April and is off to a slow start but still leads the team in RBI. I expect Sveum to just do his job and work with the youngsters. When he proves his managerial mettle he can go work on a club with established veterans who don't screw up as much.

This is a tough thing. The kid has been here full time since 2010. He's had 27, 29, and 27 errors in the last three years. Arguably THE most important position. MOST players show improvement. He does not. He's got 4 errors so far, as well as several mis-plays that were not scored errors. On a team where ANY mistake is too much. For $60MM.No doubt Castro will break the 30-error plateau this year. And - he has demonstrated, O & B, it doesn't matter what Month of the year it is. Stop with the excuses.

IMO, he is playing out of position. But, unfortunately, this will not get addressed this year.

OR - I also believe it is not an impossibility that Theo will trade him for "his" kind of players - including young pitching.

He can hit, which is great, but at his position you need more than that.

I really don't have an objection to the frustration. I just think it's very unprofessional to call out any of your players in public. I see no reason to do that in any situation. All player and team issues should be addressed behind closed doors. As the manager, it's part of your job to keep up your professionalism every day even though the press is constantly hounding you (and everyone else) for something juicier.

I, too, would like to see Castro take more strides defensively. And I too wonder if he won't end up at 2nd base should another Cub prospect emerge as a better defensive shortstop, or should the Cubs have the opportunity to acquire a short stop in a favorable transaction. It's hardly pressing, though, considering the Cubs are going to suck big time either way. Without the carrot of the postseason, I don't see a reason do anything but keep working with him to see if he can improve. 23 is still young, even if he's going on his 4th year of MLB time.

The only reason I can think of is he would have better trade value if he could show the ability to play a defensive position at an acceptable major league level. Maybe that's second or third.

But your points are correct, Dale's comments were silly (and I am sure he regrets them) and there is no pressing need to move Castro now.

After reading your guy's posts again, it is an excellent point that we all want to be yelled at by our managers with the door closed in their offices.

I can't imagine, however, my current manager trying to manage multi-millionaires that have made the same mistakes on the job, relentlessly, for 3+ years.

It is a unique position and I get that Sveum is deserving more. Maybe he should just do this out of the press.

I'd say if we're going to look at it from that point, they were hasty in giving such a large contract so soon to a guy who still is a bit shaky out there. The mistakes Castro makes are often just dumb things that suggest a lack of concentration. That is where Sveum comes in. He should be making him take grounders till his hands hurt every day, not bashing him in the press, and honestly, maybe having him looked at for ADHD or even a 420 issue, or something, since the problem really seems to have something to do with him being a bit of a spacey dude, as we called them when I was young.

It's not just Castro, Rizzo was also the target of Sveum's whining, and it's just a dumb way to go. Sveum got hired to manage a young team. He needs to suck it up and manage them, and not go to the press with his complaints about their flaws.

Is "having potential" all it takes to play in the big leagues?

For the Chicago Cubs, apparently that's all it takes. This isn't little league, it's the big leagues. Players are expected to already know how to catch and throw the ball and do it reliably. Batting average.. meh, he can go hit a 400 average in Iowa for all I care. The thing about baseball is you have to catch and throw the ball.

Normally, I'm not terribly concerned about a manager riding a player, even publicly (if riding him privately doesn't work), but for the Cubs, it's different. Sveum must realize how quickly and how dramatically the fans can turn on a player like Castro because of poor play and he'll have to balance that along with all the other stuff he deals with.

One other problem I have with the comment is this- of all the things to complain about, shitty pitching, shitty bullpen, shitty everything, why single out Castro? Yes, Castro is a shitty defender, but let's not single him out. It's a shit storm.

Appel or Gray?

Gray. But I'll take Appel if Houston takes Gray.

The other thing I am dismayed about is this "Cubs Way" bullshit.

The EXACT negative things that move the team in the correct direction are still occurring at the same frequency as they have been.Fielding, OBP, RISP failures.

One thing that just burns me where the win margin is microscopic for the Cubs, is the Cubs' pitcher just being able to field their position or do "usual things" to save them from needless arm-wear and losses. Feldman is a case in point for TWO of his three starts! Just wait 'til Garza comes back. Even Samarj. fucked up so far. I mean for fuck's sake - they have been involved with baseball since grade school. And they are learning the Cubs'Way....Oh wait...

I don't know how the minor league players have looked from a fundamentals angle, but that is where you will probably start seeing some improvement with this whole Cubs Way thing. If I remember right, AZ Phil was reporting on some impressive walk numbers among the lower level guys. So if that is continuing, and the error rates are down, and the general play on the field at the lower levels is high, then things may improve. Right now, the major league play is crap, and, sorry to say, that reflects directly on Sveum, whether he likes it or not. I obviously don't know a damn thing about managing a team, so I don't know where it happens when I see a team play good fundamental baseball, but I do see it, almost every time I see another team not named the Cubs play. Does it happen because of good spring training routines? Or is it part of the daily routine every day before a game? I have no idea. Whatever it is, Sveum has not accomplished his task of getting a team out there with solid fundamentals, at least not yet. It's early, but so far, this is a very bad baseball team. Sveum himself said it was very important that they start the year off well. Whoops. What's plan B?

When a team is at the top of the charts two years in a row for errors, this is a problem with the manager. Although, to be fair, it's obviously really early in the year. These guys have all played the game long enough that their skill level at fielding their positions should all be about the same, aside from the standouts. I look at a guy like Rizzo and think to myself that he looks like a natural out there sometimes, and then he just nearly does a somersault as he bounds about making a bone head play. It's baffling.

Hell, E-Man, Garza alone is going to double the Cubs's errors. So it's not looking to get any better anytime soon.

The Cubs way, I believe, is about how the organization is planning to develop their farm system. What some are forgetting is that Castro was already in the big leagues when Theo took over. I don't think it was ever really an option to send him back down. That said, I don't think Theo would have promoted Castro when Hendry did. He likely would have spent more time in the minors refining his approach and defense. He's been rewarded for doing what the previous regime wanted, and that's hitting the ball without regard for a specific approach or stellar defense. Maybe he wouldn't have come out any different under Theo's direction, but I think it's a mistake to blame the problems of the current Cubs on the failure of the Cub Way

I agree with that pretty much but Theo did give Castro the mega contract. I think a lot of people agreed with his doing it. I know I did - seemed smart to wrap him up ASAP, given his age and early numbers. I still think he's really not at his ceiling yet, and one of the reasons the club hasn't made a lot of noise about moving him from short is that he has made some pretty amazing plays from deep in the hole. My biggest complaint about all this is Sveum and his public badgering of players. I've managed a lot of people and I would never consider going Glengarry Glen Ross all over them in a meeting if they have some kind of performance issues. Doors have hinges on them for a reason.

$42M over 6 years for a young player's age 23-28 seasons? Even with the player-friendly team option for age 29, it's not a "mega contract" ... it's a hell of a good bargain. All that contract says about Castro is that the Cubs think he's a solid MLB player (doesn't take a genius to figure that one out). He got $78 million less guaranteed dollars than Elvis Andrus did on his extension.

You stop bringing logic into this. Next you're gonna tell us that Theo was very explicit that the Cubs were going to work from the bottom up, teaching all the young kids the Cubs way and then spending money on FAs. And that he never promised we were going to compete these first years.

I tell you what, a GM telling us his plan and then actually working on it. What is this world coming too.

Re: The new Cub Way: Javy Baez, at Daytona: .234 BA, 24K, 2BB. To repeat: 24K, 2BB. At Single A. Seems vaguely familiar.

Success or fail, that's Hendry's guy, even though I'm sure the new regime hopes it works out. Baez started cold but seems to be swinging a little better the last 10 days.

Of course Hendry drafted Baez, and I expect that he will remain at Daytona until he sorts things out.

1 pitch...cubs lead.

the quest for .500 .400 .300 gets stronger.

t.wood gives up his 1st HR of the year...after 25.2 ip on the season. keep it up, guy.

cubs lead 2-1 in the bottom 7...throwing another great game tonight.

...and it takes 2 relievers to blow the win for t.wood (who was removed after 1 out and a single...81


tie game.

marmol throws a 10 pitch, 1K, 1-2-3 outing.

his last 6 outings...

6ip 2h 2bb 6k 0er

marmol going 2 innings tonight with no backup...odd

no one up in the pen.

he got an out...and has thrown 5 straight balls, walking 1.

make that 6 straight, and the runner stealing 2nd...and ibb on choo to put the double play back in play.

d.barney bobbles what would be a double play ball, but gets the out at 1st. sigh.

...and they're not gonna ibb votto (1-14 vs marmol).

make that 1-15...with another K.

to the 11th!

to the 13th...

...and the past 4-5 innings has been full of CIN rednecks going "WOOOOOOO!" back and forth to each other in a near-empty stadium because rednecks love to hear themselves be loud. at least it's not the ATL "tommy hawk chawp" i guess.

valbuena 2r HR...hell yeah.

4-2 chc/cin

no one up in the cubs pen...looks like bowden is gonna go 2ip.

tie game.

my god...

...and cesar f'n izturis wins it with a RBI single.


There are very few ex-Cubs I dislike more than Cesar Izturis. It had to be him?

Oh shit Sleepaway Camp is in

lulz. classic.

Don't let them walk you Starlin

Yeah, this team is 5-13, but its Pythag is 7-11!

Just to complain a little bit more about a guy who doesn't take the field on a 100+ loss team, a guy who in many other respects is a big improvement over past iterations (Quade, Piniella, etc.), what the hell was going on when Sveum took out Wood? He's seen our bullpen, right? I mean, they did well yesterday until Bowden's second inning, but there wasn't any reason to anticipate those several innings of success.

The manager is the least of the Cub's concerns.

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    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 18 min 33 sec ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 19 min 23 sec ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 26 min 4 sec ago view
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    Charlie 1 hour 2 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 1 hour 2 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 1 hour 5 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 1 hour 9 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 1 hour 9 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 1 hour 13 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 1 hour 26 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 1 hour 31 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 1 hour 33 min ago view
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    The E-Man 2 hours 52 min ago view
  • "Crunch's cousin"

    Butterfinger or Baby Ruth?

    VirginiaPhil 3 hours 6 min ago view
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    Tito 3 hours 18 min ago view
  • That question came from CRUNCH's cousin.

    The E-Man 3 hours 21 min ago view