Thursday Funnies: No way to sugarcoat it.

One of the reasons I like Jeff Samardzija and this whole new Cubs regime is... they generally don't beat around the bush.
Call it "transparency".
Being blunt.
I mean, sure - what else is Samardzija gonna say?
It wasn't the ump or anything.
Still, getting up in front of all those reporters and saying what's in the gif is the right way to do this stuff.
Now, lets hope he figures out what's gone wacky in his delivery or whatever and get back to that guy who shut down the Cardinals for 8 innings back in June.

Comments

I am glad they didnt sign him to a $$50mm-plus deal.

Yet.

Don't think epsoyer will sign him

"The Boston Red Sox do not view themselves as "desperate enough" to pay the steep price for Chicago Cubs right-hander Matt Garza, sources have told Andy Martino of the New York Daily News."

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"Garza still has plenty of deep-pocketed suitors, even with the Red Sox out of the running. The Rangers, Indians, Pirates, Blue Jays, Padres, Dodgers, and Nationals are all believed to be interested in the right-hander, so Boston stepping out of the sweepstakes should not have much of an effect on his potential return."

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/7/11/4514220/mlb-...

Someone will pay...,hopefully...soon

The Blue Jays and Padres seem like a stretch at this point. Maybe if the Cubs hold him until the end of the month and they get real hot between now and then.

As Cubdom continues to hope and pray Garza doesn't get hurt...

JedStein really should go ahead and trade him before that happens again.

Keith Law chat:
 
BassmanUW (Chicago)
Was the Javier Baez call up too soon? Sure, he showed a lot better walk and strikeout rates in June, but it was just one month, and aside from one amazing game it's not like he put it all together consistently. I get the idea of getting him out of Daytona before the inconsistent and often wet weather of the late summer there, but I still would have liked to see at least another month of continued good performance at High A before a call up.
Klaw
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I agree with you. By the way, great FO exec quote on hearing that Baez homered in his first AA at bat: "Did they not get the scouting report?"

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Ralph (Utica)


Worst MLB stat ever, the pitcher's W or the pitcher's S?

Klaw
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The save is the worst because it has altered how managers manage, and it's a complete negative

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Thoughts on the Cubs International FA strategy of signing everyone and accepting penalties next year?

Klaw
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Given the uncertainty in that market, and the long time to payoffs on even the best signings, the strategy has good logic behind it.

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Is Junior Lake a guy? or just a potential utl player?

Klaw
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A potential utility player should be able to play a couple of positions. I have seen no evidence that he can play any of them.


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Was it true that Puig probably would have signed with the Cubs if he didn't with the Dodgers? Thank you.

Klaw
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No one else offered more than $10 million, which shows you something about how little the industry trusted what they saw at the time - out of shape, no game action, questions about makeup, etc.

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Colin (Chicago)



Think the Cubs will get a top 100 guy or two when they eventually deal Garza?

Klaw
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I'll guess one, but no way on two.

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Are you down on Baez as a prospect or did you just want him to demonstrate his improved approach prior to promotion? In his defense, although his BB rate only improved for one month his K rate had been great for 2. Really only ugly in April.

Klaw
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Not down on him at all.

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Have you seen Shawon Dunston Jr play yet? He's doing great in Boise and seems to have heard about this thing called the strikezone before, he must have gotten that from his mother's side.

Klaw
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Always liked him, thought he needed to get stronger. Huge year for him though - they're so loaded in the lower levels with bats and he's no longer young for where he's playing.

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What about Gretzky? Seems like he is a bust.

Klaw
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Was not a fan of that signing. He looked like a college guy to me, not a pro prospect.

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You previously mentioned about Kris Bryant's lack of bat speed. How concerned should Cubs' Fans be about how that weakness may eventually be exploited on the major league level? Thank you.

Klaw
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Way too early to worry about that.

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Maybe Javier Baez can lend Kris Bryant some of his bat speed.

Klaw
  (2:24 PM)



Bryant can just pick it up after Baez knocks himself over during a swing.

roto says Michael Bowden back up but doesn't say who goes off the roster (HRod vs Raley)

Raley sent down.

...then there's this guy...

"Scott Baker (elbow) will begin a minor league rehab assignment Sunday with Low-A Kane County."

24th round pick C Tyler Alamo signs for $100K, no hit on the draft salary cap.

That means they can go up to $440,925 on Clifton which would be just a little less than 3rd round money.

This guy makes Soriano look like Miguel Cabrera

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/07/rajai-davis-will-s...

landmark commission approves deal, Jumbotron and signage is-a coming

i.stewart 2/2 with a walk into the 5th vs iowa...

...wtf?

6/15 with 2 doubles, 1 HR, 3bb since joining dodgers AAA...

...wtf?

hurrah for sample sizes and twitter accounts.

Rob G I'm worried about you watching this documentary

/Sharknado

it's all the rage on Twitter...is it based in L.A. or something? otherwise I'm not getting why it's related to me....

yes...and it's another churned out piece of trash from The Asylum productions/distribution.

i looooooooove bad films and The Asylum has yet to put out a single film i can watch start-to-end.

yes, one of the frequent tornadoes that hits LA, see "Day After Tomorrow", this time sucks up about a thousand sharks and drops them on random c list celebrities.

Like Crunch I couldn't make it all the way, not even to see how Tara Reid eats it.

Got it DVR'd though.

A. Cabrera does it again

7 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 3 K, 1 BB, 1 HR and the win

2 or less runs in his last 6 starts and 8 of his last 10

i dunno what's keeping him or z.rosscup from being in AAA...both are far "done" with AA and iowa is full of pitching failure that wouldn't be missed.

nick struck is begging to be sent back to AA...he may have earned his promotion to AAA being the organization's pitcher of the year last year, but he's yet to string together good back-to-back games in AAA after 17 starts and he's still young enough that a trip back to AA wouldn't exactly be a big deal.

3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 4 K for Paniagua for AZL Cubs yesterday. Woot. And a question for someone in the know:
I see Yasiel Balaguert is now hitting cleanup for the AZL Cubs, this after being Northwest League player of the week on July 1, when he was with Boise. What's up?

Boise was going to Canada for a few games. So a few players from Boise and the AZL Cubs traded places. Visa/passport concerns.

Thanks, QM. It would be classic Cubbery to lose players in an international incident.

Carrie Muskat‏@CarrieMuskat
#Cubs will introduce 1st round pick Kris Bryant at Wrigley & he'll take BP. Comcast SportsNet will have live stream, 11 am CT

& he'll take BP

No wonder they've been holding onto Henry Rodriguez

Ba-doom crash! Nice one!

Baseball America Prospect Hot Sheet

11. Albert Almora, of, Cubs
Team: low Class A Kane County (Midwest)
Age: 19
Why He’s Here: .526/.550/.895 (10-for-19), 6 R, 2 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 SO, 1-for-1 SB

The Scoop: Almora collects hits in bunches. In 17 of the 40 games he’s played this year (he missed time with a hamate injury), Almora has had two or more hits. He already has eight games of three or more hits. Almora’s best fit in the future Cubs lineup is as a top-of-the-order table setter, and in the Midwest League this season, few have done that job nearly as well as Almora.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/prospect-hot...

@jimcallisBA: #Cubs sign 19th-rder Will Remillard for $150k. Coastal Carolina C helped his cause with a strong Cape Cod Lg performance. #mlbdraft

adds $50k against their cap, a little less than $400k now leftover for Clifton

Clifton‏@trevorclifton1
Im officially a CUB!!!

Jim Callis‏@jimcallisBA
#Cubs sign 11th-rder Trevor Clifton (148 on BA 500) for $375k. Tenn. HS RHP, sits 92-93, up to 97, promising curve & change too. #mlbdraft

Seems like a damn good draft so far. Pretty happy with the international spending spree if they do make the Jimenez deal official too. I'm thinking that this offseason might mark the first overt move towards competing, especially after they shot their 2013 wad on the international market.

Presuming they're done, Cubs went over by $511,900 and will pay a 75% tax on that amount ($383,925 into Bud's pockets). They still had $15,925 to spend before reaching the next level of penalty that would have cost them a draft pick.

Pardon my ignorance on these things (you'd think I'd know from all the AZ stuff but I don't retain this info well)... but doesn't the upcoming Jen-ho Tseng signing affect the slot money? Or does that fall under some other weird, labyrinthine set of rules.

Different pools for the draft and International free agents. The IFA pool has cap issues as well though.

Oh, duh, I was having a brain fart. I knew that but for some reason my brain had the discussion in international land when Rob was discussing the cap.

Sundowning. Or what Lou would call a senior moment.

best album of 2012...nu sensae.

"swim" = awesome single.

Anybody who sees my posts on a regular basis will be familiar with the concept.

For anyone who might be wondering where the Rule 4 Draft & ISBP tax money goes, it is distributed as revenue sharing funds to the clubs that qualify to receive revenue sharing.

However, if a club eligible to receive revenue sharing exceeds its assigned Rule 4 Draft bonus pool or ISBP, it is prohibited from receiving its share of the tax, and that club's share of the tax is redistributed among the clubs that qualify to receive revenue sharing that did not exceed their bonus limits.

I see the Cubs have signed 24 draft picks this year, including their first 13 and 19 of top 20. Anyone know typical or atypical that is? Is this about how many guys they usually sign? Did they get more high-draft picks signed than usual or not?

Sorry I can't get the link at the moment, but if you go to Wiklifield and look for Cubs drafts, I usually summarized the signings. But, I didn't do last year at all and that's when the rules changed significantly. So what may have been typical from 2002-2010, may be quite different now.

BR probably does something similar.

The last time the Cubs signed as few as 24 draft picks was 1997.

Cubs Draft picks signed since 1998:

1998: 25 (13 out of first 14)
1999: 28 (19 out of first 20)
2000: 27 (first 15)
2001: 25 (23 out of first 25)
2002: 30 (22 out of first 23)
2003: 25 (10 out of first 11)
2004: 26 (10 out of first 11)
2005: 32 (first 14)
2006: 31 (first 13)
2007: 33 (23 out of first 24)
2008: 32 (26 out of first 27)
2009: 29 (13 out of first 14)
2010: 29 (15 out of first 16)
2011: 35 (20 out of first 22)
2012: 27 (first 20)   


 

Because they are college seniors with no eligibility left, the Cubs will retain negotiation rights to 21st round pick RHP Josh McCauley (Shepherd U.) and 27th round pick 2B Tyler Sciacca (Villanova) until one week prior to the next Rule 4 Draft (First-Year Player Draft) or until the player signs (whichever comes first).


Sciacca and McCauley were reported as "signed" by some blog, but the Cubs never announced their signings. It's possible that one or both did sign and then had their contract voided for some reason (as happened with 14th round pick RHP Daniel Poncedeleon).

In addition to the players who were signed after being selected in the 2013 Rule 4 Draft (First-Year Player Draft), the Cubs have also signed two Rule 4 Draft-eligible Non-Drafted Free-Agents (NDFA), RHP Josh Davis (Belmont U.) and SS Trevor Stevens (Northwestern).

Both Davis and Stevens were college seniors, and both have been assigned to the AZL Cubs. (I actually saw Davis make his pro debut the other night at HoHoKam Park).

Most NDFA who sign are college seniors, but occasionally a HS or JC NDFA will sign. For example, NDFA 3B Jesse Hodges signed with the Cubs last September after starring for the Canadian Junior National Team in a tournament in South Korea. 

Am I the only one hoping that the Cubs 18th round draft pick ends up having a long MLB career at SS? I mean with a name like Giuseppe Papaccio . . .

was doing a little current research on jason heyward when i found this cringe-worthy "bold predictions" list.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/howard-benders-10...

...at least 1 of them might come true (profar)...half credit for the pujols prediction.

There's some bad seasons going on there in Atlanta: Heyward, Uggla, one of the Uptons, but still in first place. By a fairly healthy margin, too.

E-Man quote:

"Josh Vitters is a bust."

Tim Wilken, I am sure glad you have no more authority to make draft calls for the Cubs.

moscoso's (AAA, iowa) no-hit bid gone in the 8th.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
With 18 days to go before the trade deadline, other teams say the Cubs' asking price for Matt Garza remains very high.

as a Cub...

5.2 IP, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 2 H

Pedro "Stop"...amirite?

He's got some good looking stuff, actually. I was surprised when I first saw him throw because I had never seen him and nobody seemed too excited about him.

Castro is 6-for-13 in his last four games with two home runs. Manager Dale Sveum and the hitting coaches have gotten Castro to get his weight shift on his back leg again.

“It is just a matter of him lifting his leg, but not really loading on their back side,” Sveum said. “If (his) knee never gets over their back toes, your hands end up in front of your back foot and you end up in a very weak (hitting) position.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/184...

Neat. I guess I better not buy that firedalesveum.com domain, after all.

EDIT: Actually, I think I read Sveum mention this before. But Castro wouldn't listen, which Sveum was finding frustrating, if I remember the stories correctly. I guess the season long flirtation with the mendoza line has turned around Castro's thinking.

He did mention it closer to the start of the season. I posted it as a reason to be patient since these things take a while to fix, especially during the season.

But of course coaches have no importance or anything...

Go with firerobdeer.com

Phil sold me on bringing in Dave Keller as a different yet familiar voice.

And maybe keepchrisbosio.com.

The Cubs say they will open up the post-all-star break portion of the season with Jeff Samardzija, Carlos Villanueva and Edwin Jackson starting the three games in Colorado. When the Cubs travel to Arizona after that, Matt Garza and Travis Wood will start the first two games, respectively.

please don't get hurt today Garza

Can we get a temporary Crunch ban?

unpossible...i have 1000 IP addresses, 5 million proxies, and a zillion VPNs.

I was also sure you were the real Silent Towel.

i wish i was that awesome.

You're just the right amount of awesome. Not like ST.

"Face of the franchise" and slap-hitting second baseman/jockey Jose Altuve gets 4-year extension.

So, where is Iowa Cubs outfielder Brett Jackson?

The question continued to swirl around Prinicpal Park as Iowa was in the midst of a four-game series with the Albuquerque Isotopes.

The 24-year-old Cubs propsect landed on the disabled list late last month but has been missing from the Iowa clubhouse since.

Jackson, who was placed on the disabled list with a right calf strain on June 22, is no longer listed on the Iowa team roster.

Iowa manager Marty Pevey wouldn’t shed any light on Jackson’s whereabouts.

“He’s not here,” Pevey said.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2...

Well, he did say he was learning a lot from Ian Stewart...

There has been talk, both in Iowa and Chicago, that the Cubs want Jackson to go to Class AA Tennessee and that he is upset about that idea.

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/7671

year isn't even 1/2 over and they've already pissed off 2 players (clevenger/stewart) and they're working on a 3rd...neat.

that said, jackson shouldn't be that upset...he's far from doing anything well in AAA this year.

he turns 25 in a few weeks...not where he should be or was expected to be at this point in his career.

it's kinda odd that clevenger was pissed about not playing when he claimed his injury wasn't bad enough to be on the DL and the cubs were posturing...only to still not be playing once he was traded to BAL. who knows wtf is/was going on there...

It'd also be nice to see JAckson play for sokme exteded time, without injuries, without issue. It seems like he never really got going this year, and missed a lot of time with his various injuries.

Under the premise that the Cubs mgt wants to collect em all regarding 4th-5th outfielders....

Per mlbtr, Cubs claim 29yo of Cole Gillespie from Giants

Gives them an OF to play should they happen to trade an OF or two. Won't hurt the development of anyone still in the minors.

Org depth. Unlikely to ever hit major-league pitching for a respectable average, despite good batting eye, and not enough range to adequately play CF (according to limited UZR/150 data). Certainly below Sappelt on the org chart and likely to soon be passed by Lake and Ha.

"Cole Gillespie will join the Cubs' roster on Sunday."

fwiw, sureholds is banged up, though not believed to be DL-bound banged up.

WAS vs MIA...thanks Fox.

hey, at least it's not the usual 99.9% of the time NYY/BOS/NYM/ATL east coast game, i guess.

thanks to blackouts i rarely get to see WAS play as it is...even though 0 WAS games are shown on even the most costly cable sports package tiers here in central NC.

MLB has this great method for preventing people from watching and rooting for their local teams. I don't have any television service, just MLB.tv...which means I can watch everyone but the Mariners here in Seattle. Oh, except whenever FOX or ESPN decides to black out every game. Genius.

i was in hawaii last week...given the 6 hour time difference from the east coast, watching games there is almost impossible.

...the fact they blackout pretty much every west coast game (3 hour time difference) is practically insane.

it used to be just the bay area games (SF/OAK), but now it's pretty much every game on the west coast. crazy.

STL seems to have caught a bad case of cubbery in the bottom 2nd...errors, passed ball, catcher's interference, bunt single to the pitcher...awesome.

3 runs as a result of that mess.

Uuuuuuuuugggly!

garza HBP...let those that were afraid to let garza pitch more than 80 pitches in a game, cross the street without the aid of a boy scout, or open a soda without adult supervision start freaking out.

Pittsburgh paper:

Multiple sources said the Pirates are checking into White Sox outfielder Alex Rios and Cubs outfielder Nate Schierholtz......

... It would be extremely difficult to pry Polanco from the Pirates, whose farm system lacks impact position players. However, (Nick)Kingham is an intriguing possibility for either Rios or Schierholtz, as the Pirates are rich with pitching depth.

http://triblive.com/sports/pirates/4332756-74/lock...

Kyle Hendricks 5 shut out innings, shut out completed be Zych and Rosscup. Final 5-0

Good game. NOW, trade Garza.

Awesome, fun game tonight. For those of you who were there, it was fun giving shit to the Cards fans for one night!

Tim Lincecum pitched his first career no-hitter Saturday. And I missed it because Crunch never mentioned it was happening. You let me down man. You let us all down.

lulz.

i found out from mlb network (after it happened), myself. i was watching the stupid MIL/ARZ game totally oblivious of what was going down in SD.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/184...

Bruce Miles: Texas and Toronto are the frontrunners for Garza. I would assume a Toronto trade would have to involve either Aaron Sanchez or Roberto Osuna. As for the Rangers, I doubt they'd include Profar. Probably something more like Mike Olt and Justin Grimm (meh).

I know Olt is supposed to be a top prospect and all, but these are his numbers at Round Rock this year in 215 ABs (last is OPS)

.209 /.306/.386/.692

We can already get numbers like that from Josh Vitters, so, no thanks.

Apparently he had/has vision issues which was treated. One of his tear-ducts does not produce fluid necessitating the multiple application of drops on a daily basis.

He was diagnosed in April/May for this affliction, and it does coincide with the shitty slashes.

I'm with you though and would move on.

Not that it matters, other than as contrast, but I read an article about Miguel Cabrera where they mentioned that he can see the seems spinning on a good fastball as soon as it is released. As someone with bad eyesight who was a terrible, terrible hitter when I tried to play, I can see how good vision would be a big advantage. At my level, I didn't need to worry about seeing at such a precise level, but hitting a major league baseball is such a difficult skill to master that any vision related disadvantage has got to be very difficult to overcome. I've always wondered if that isn't Brett Jackson's problem - he looks so "good" up there in some ways.

Yes. With his vision issues AND the recent singing of Bryant, I wonder if the Cubs would still be interested in Olt? What a difference a year makes.

Go ahead, pile on Vitters.

Last year (at 22) he had very respectable numbers at AAA, nothing like Olt's.

This year he has mostly been injured.

Go ahead, pile on Vitters.

Last year (at 22) he had very respectable numbers at AAA, nothing like Olt's.

This year he has mostly been injured (even when playing).

he's been hitting much better since he returned from his vision issues (though not mindblowing)...plus manny ramirez has been helping him with his swing (seriously).

he hit his 9th HR tonight, but omaha was handing them out like candy (6 HR given up).

Cubs are 15th in runs scored, 11th in run allowed. Wow.

Is that NL or MLB, a good wow or a bad wow?

MLB, definitely a good wow.

Yeah, I've been happy too. The record is not great, but essentially they have an average ML team now! They are right in the middle of the pack with a handful of injuries, some youngsters struggling as they make adjustments, and some players (e.g. Jackson) who really did terrible for big parts of the first half.

Not every move has worked, of course, but Wood, Valbuena, Villanueva, Feldman, Schierlholtz, Navarro, and even Sweeney all seem like nice moves. None were out of this world, but each move has been good value

Theocorp does seem to show a tendency for being able to pick up guys on the cheap and seeing them perform well. To me that's a sign that they are getting their big league scouting in order, which is no small feat.

CCO minor league writer Tom U. commenting on the Cubs minors and some shuffling coming up...

http://disq.us/8e37vo

Verlander just lost his no hitter in the 7th.

"Scott Baker (elbow) was charged with four runs on six hits and a walk over three innings in his first rehab start with Low-A Kane County Sunday."

Baker had a rough first inning giving up all 4 runs including a 2 run triple then a 2 run HR...so he settled down a bit after that. 56 pitches, 34 strikes.

and Jake Arrieta had a nice outing at Iowa with 6 IP, 3H, 1BB, 9K, 1R (HR). 92 pitches.

I-Cubs with 3 hits. Watkins double earlier and a Lake double (in the bottom of 6th).

...and JH Ha ties the game with a 2 out single that scores Lake from 3rd (after he stole third with one out).

1-1, end 6th...and Arrieta's day is over, Brooks Raley in to start the 7th.

CBS/Heyman says Garza told he will be traded as contract talks haven't lead to an extension.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22758...

HRod and the 99 mph outside the strike zone fastball gets DFA'd...to make room for Jazzman, Dizzy Gillespie

HRod DFA'd...

Name IP H R BB SO ERA
Rob Zastryzny 2 2 0 1 2 0.00
Sam Wilson 2 2 0 0 3 0.00
Zack Godley 2 3 0 0 1 0.00
Scott Frazier 1 1 0 0 1 1.59

Boise ahead 1-0 thru the 7th.
2013 draft pick-pitchers off to a nice start

Archer throws a complete game shutout. It was against Houston but still . . .

112 pitches, 80 for strikes...game of his career (minors or majors)

I watched the highlight reel and a LOT of his called strikes were out of the zone ... Good day to have the right ump. Still he was nibbling close enough to get the calls. Lot of caught line drives too.

And Scott Feldman got the win for the Orioles today... Nice outing.

7.1 ip, 5H, 3R, 7k, 1BB

I-Cubs and Isotopes still 1-1 top 17th

4 run top 18th by c.coleman ruins that for the ICubs...

i.stewart 0-6, 3Ks...lulz.

Jason Parks‏@ProfessorParks (Baseball Prospectus)
Arismendy Alcantara just went upper deck big fly off Ranaudo. #Cubs second baseman of the future. He's a player.

Jason Parks‏@ProfessorParks
Sano's BP was insane, but Alcantara's was also legit, showing impressive bat speed and pop. #Cubs

Wth Valbuena?

poor busty olney...they sent him and a camera across the street and up to the rooftops to do a 15 second piece explaining the cubs vs rooftop owners thing.

no interview, no anything...all that for a small 15 second piece.

d.barney 3r HR!

cubs take a 3-4 lead in the 6th.

...and m.guerrier blows it. tie game.

p.strop threw 1 pitch tonight to get out of the 6th replacing t.wood with 2 outs...replaced by pinch hitter burbon in the bottom of the inning with 2 out, 0 on after the d.barney HR.

men on corners, 2 out, guerrier out, russell in...m.carpenter (3-8 lifetime) makes it 4-9 with a single...STL leads 5-4.

...and russell is done after 9 pitches.

b.parker in to face the righties.

...and blake parker pulls a manny ramirez at home plate with a pointless cutoff allowing another run to score.

mindblowing...pure cubbery.

6-4...

That was Rizzo.

DFA rizzo.

also, cubs tie!

hell yeah.

...and k.gregg blows it.

7-6, top 9th.

this game is killing me. cards have 20 hits in the game.

Kevin Gregg looking very hitable at the worst possible time.

effin effen eff eff eff.

I'm sorry but Dale managed like a frickin' moron tonight. When has putting a closer in the game with a non-save situation been a good idea? When has putting a potential trade bait closer, who has average stuff and relies on situational adrenaline and who struggled recently and who we are trying to dump while he's a mirage and possibly dump *this weekend* ever been a good idea? I know it's not Dale's job to service the trade whims of the Front Office but I don't think he helped his long term job security tonight, hanging Gregg out to dry right before he is potentially traded. (Not to mention EPICALLY losing the game).

Well, they lost the game, and they lost a possibly ok prospect, since i doubt a worthwhile trade gets made now for Gregg.

Exactly my point. Dale doesn't seem like much of an organizational thinker sometimes.

I'm willing to criticize Dale when it's warranted (e.g. bullpen usage, his public dressing-down of Castro, etc.) but faulting him for using one of his relievers because it's inopportune for the trade market is a bit of a reach. It's the job of Theo&Jed to maximize value for assets, not Dale's. Dale's job is to develop youngsters and win games and while you could argue that Gregg wasn't the best reliever in that situation because of how he's pitched of late, I don't think it's his job to figure out who to use based on how much value they're going to bring back. If there was concern Gregg was going to turn back into a pumpkin, then Theo&Jed should have traded him sooner.

In saying it was a dumbass move in every way you touch on and I opened by saying it's not his responsibility to gauge trades. That said, he was the wrong pitcher for the inning, the situation, the game, the trade cycle, and he left him in too long for all if those. I really don't think the front office was thrilled he hung him out like that.

oh do tell what awesome bullpen arms Dale should have went to in that situation instead...much ado about nothing.

It's normal for a manager to use his closer in the top of the 9th inning of a tied game at home, since there can't be a save situation for the home team's closer once it gets to that point.

Gregg was only the 7th pitcher used ... Uh ... Oops

Blush

Or to put it another way: JESUS F#CK DALE! Really? +#*%++

Everyone is way over-reacting. I find it funny that we, as fans, have been talking about how Gregg is a mirage and we should trade him soon for weeks on this website, yet we assume somehow that other pro-teams and their scouts and executives do NOT see Gregg as a mirage--until last night of course when the curtain was thrown back. Really? So teams were gullible enough to give up a prospect for Gregg until he has a bad outing and now they won't do it? Because other teams only look at box scores and notice extreme performances? This is naive.

The reality is that Gregg could be a useful, but minor bullpen piece for a contender to fill in for an injury or give veteran depth where perhaps a couple of younger player are struggling. And that hasn't changed because of last night. He'll be a 7th inning reliever for a contender for two months and the Cubs will probably get a low-level player to be named later.

I knew this was coming and you of course have a point. I didn't think they were gonna score a major coup, but I do think he could have sweetened a pot or drawn an organizational 10-20 pick. What I think you are discounting is that relievers ARE streaky by nature. They can be monsters one year and dogs the next of course. So a hot closer is a mirage but you can also ride that wave if you are lucky, or maybe a player did make a mechanical adjustment or gain some late career Eckersley maturity. Gregg's velocity is actually good and closing is about confidence and composure. Frankly Gregg has had it this year. I don't think I'm over reacting to say putting him in without a lead, out of his element, and letting him rack up an ERA increase of 1.00 the day before the All Star Break was a dumbass move. Yes the scouts and teams know more than we do, but he was in essence HOT and CONFIDENT. Now thanks to dale he's cold, iffy, and his numbers went up. It may make some difference in trade discussions.

As you say, relievers are streaky by nature. But other teams know that too. I would guess that many have been looking and thinking "Gregg has been hot for 6 weeks now, I don't want to buy high because he can't keep up this type of streak for ever and will come back to earth!" We all knew it wouldn't last.

Quite possible. BUT with a hot pitcher with an ERA under 2.00 you at least have a chance. To quote j-roc from trailer park boys: knowmsayin'? How can swinging his dick out on the mound for 4 runs in a non save situation the day before they were gonna try and deal him be better than had he not?

On point with the current conversation, a jab at Ed Lynch, and a very sad memory all at the same time.

"You would never see such a trade today -- a general manager trading away his franchise's first-round pick so soon after being drafted, especially for a middling relief pitcher."

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/38125/...

What's the point of posting to a forum if we can't overreact a little?

make that 21 hits...3 run HR.

10-6...puke.

9 runs in the last 10 gregg outtings...4 tonight (5 single run outings).

Yup, he's done as far as trade bait goes.

I guess the rose tint is off the goggles now.

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