Tuesday Cubs Hot Stove Round-Up

- Rosenthal says the Braves are growing impatient and may pull their offer by Friday when free agency opens up. USA Today says "one team" is demanding a resolution by the 14th (let's take a guess on which team).  Rosenthal goes on to say the Padres have sent counter-offers to the Cubs and Braves, although he doesn't think either team will up the ante. In terms of players involved, he mentions Sean Marshall and possibly Josh Vitters.

- Sullivan thinks the Cubs are offering about 4/50 to Dempster right now.

- The Toronto Globe and Mail thinks Dempster is pretty likely to stay a Cub and says he'll take a discount if the Cubs acquire Peavy.

UPDATE: Buster Olney says the Cubs and Padres are trying to get a 3rd team involved and that Josh Vitters might be in play. I'd be surprised if the Cubs dealt Vitters or Samardzija myself, but you never know.

 

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Submitted by Rob G. on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 9:40am
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Submitted by Ryno
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:08am

Can we have the old Rich Hill back? A Z, Peavy, Demp, '07 Hill, Lilly rotation would be alright. Of course they won't score any runs in the playoffs, so who gives a shit.

What happens to Harden? I'm sorry, I should know this, but I've tried to think about the Cubs as little as possible the last two months.

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:10am

Anyone think if Cubs get Dempster and Peavy they will flip Harden for a lefty bat?

Submitted by Chad
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:34am

unless it's a bat of epic proportions then no thanks

I drool over the thought of

Peavy
Z
Harden
Dempster
Lilly

That right there is a 110 win season.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:00pm

if by some miracle, we do get Peavy and Dempster, the thought of Peavy, Harden, Z, Dempster, Lilly would be pretty damn exciting, but you have to wonder about the Marquis situation.

It's a good bet the Cubs would have to shed some salary for at least one-left handed bat and Marquis would be a lot harder to move than Harden and would get you much less in a trade. On top of that, you have to wonder about rotation stability. Assuming you've traded at least Marshall and possibly another starter, you've got a lot of guys in the rotation that our injury risks. Who steps in when they go down withouth Marshall and let's say Atkins or whatever. 

We'd still have Gaudin and they could sign Lieber or something like him again and I'll assume Samardzija isn't getting traded and there's always Rich Hill, but the pitching staff could fall apart quickly. And I think it's a safe bet that if the Cubs got Peavy and Dempster that Harden wouldn't be resigned after this year.

Now I'm not advocating it, I'd love to see them move Marquis and roll the dice with that kind of talent, but it's certainly something to think about. And Harden would definitely be the best trading chip we have.

Submitted by Ted Lilly Fan Club
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:40am

We too drool over the thought of...

Lilly
Peavy
Z
Harden
Dempster

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:43am

Ted,

I would put Lilly ahead of Harden based on durability.

Submitted by 10man
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:54am

I just drool a lot, no matter what the occasion.

Submitted by Bigz
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:12am

I love the idea of getting swept in October by scores of 1-0, 2-0, 1-0.
They ask if it could get worse, well yeah, that is worse.

Submitted by Raisin101
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:16am

Baseball Prospectus has their top 11 Cubs prospects:

Five-Star Prospects
1. Josh Vitters, 3B
Four-Star Prospects
2. Jeff Samardzija, RHP
3. Jose Ceda, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
5. Andrew Cashner, RHP
6. Tyler Colvin, OF
7. Dae-Eun Rhee, LHP
8. Ryan Flaherty,
Two-Star Prospects
9. Welington Castillo, C
10. Donald Veal, LHP
11. Micah Hoffpauir, 1B

Just Missed: Matt Cedra, INF; Jay Jackson, RHP; Logan Watkins, INF

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articlei...

The rest of the content in the link is subscriber only.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:54am

Hoffpauir a 2-star prospect? unpossible...he's s every bit as good as Derrek Lee and would never, ever hit into a double play.

 

Submitted by GO CUBBIES
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:17pm

Anyone think there is something to the Padres withdrawing their offer to Hoffman? Like maybe they are getting a potential power arm to try at closer from the Cubs, i.e. Samninja or Ceda? Or someone from the Braves? Or maybe its nothing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-padres-ho...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:21pm

it's just them cutting costs....

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:28pm

Espn 1000 Bruce Levine is reporting Padres and Braves have "two pieces in place to complete trade," but Cubs still might have a chance.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:30pm

Olney said the same thing in his article...

Submitted by GO CUBBIES
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:36pm

Thought so too

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:04pm

My bad

Submitted by Jim Hickmans Bat
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:18pm

No BP love for Casey Lambert or Mitch Atkins?

Submitted by George Altman
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:42pm

There isn't anybody on Baseball Prospectus' list or combination thereof that I wouldn't trade for Peavy. Samardzija has the NTC, and Cashner/Flaherty can't be traded until after June 15th or whenever the June draft is held this year.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:42pm

so says Richard Justice

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2008...

Submitted by dB
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:05pm

Lincecum gets the NL CY

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:34pm

Lincecum, Webb, Johan, Lidge, CC, Dempster was the final vote...

probably would have flipped Johan and Webb myself, Dempster got 4 3rd place votes

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:54pm

please oh please

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1782

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.
A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.
Is this one of those “I know a guy, who knows a guy” deals? Yes, that’s exactly what it is. So I have no idea if it’s true. All I can say is that the “source” is a guy who actually should know.

and from the comments..


Andy
10

The source of this rumor reports to Kevin Towers directly. Nope, not Masur or Vasgersian.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:05pm

the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

Oh my... that would be incredible.

Submitted by Andrew
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:05pm

Interesting. That would seem to seriously conflict with today's rumors about the Braves having pieces in place, but perhaps they ended up asking for too much. I have a bad feeling though this will be akin to the '05 blog from some dude that Furcal signs with the Cubs, only to have him sign with the Dodgers the next day.

Rob, I'm guessing the "please oh please" is more about shedding Theriot than acquiring Peavy? :)

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:10pm

"the '05 blog from some dude that Furcal signs with the Cubs"

As long as WSCR George Offman is not reporting it, it could be true.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:11pm

yup, trading Theriot means they're planning to sign Furcal would be my guess...

I give that rumor about a 1% shot of having any truth to it, because I don't think the Cubs would move Theriot w/o knowing for sure about Furcal and they haven't been able to talk money yet and there's a good 4-5 teams that are interested in him.

And the fact that is a shitty deal for the Padres....

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:22pm

Could be Padres are releasing this to scare Braves into action.

If the Theriot gets traded they better sign Furcal asap. Ronny the Retard for 160 a games will not be pleasant.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:24pm

not sure the Padres would use Andy Dolan of desipio.com to float a rumor to get the Braves to pony up. 99.8% chance no one in the Braves has heard of it....

Submitted by Andrew
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:45pm

99.8?

Would the Cubs trade Theriot if they Greene back in the deal somehow? They'd make a run at Furcal, sure, but Greene would be the back up plan.

Of course, perhaps the deal is "basically" done except for the little detail that Hendry still has to find a third party to get involved to send more pitching to SD.

Submitted by Dr. aaron b
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 4:21pm

Could it mean Ronny Cedeno at Short? Or maybe Khalil Green is coming this way?

Submitted by Jeff_Pico
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 4:31pm

Lets hope we never see the 'Ronny Cedeno era' as the starting shortstop, Greene has really declined lately but he'd be a way better option than Cedeno.

Submitted by spongebob
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:11pm

Realistically we have nothing to offer pitching wise (exception Szamarja or Harden) compared to the Braves. If this deal gets done with pie, marshall and theriot then it's silly not to take it. I wonder if Giles will be in this deal to shed all of their salary...find this third team...what else would we be giving up?

There is no way we are getting rid of Marquis and his 9mil this year if this deal gets done. In all honestly they should let Dempster walk this was his best year by far when you compared it to his past. He's not worth the 12-15 he may get on the open market. If you can get a good deal on Wood then go for it but he's also not worth 12-15 per year.

Peavy
Z
Harden
Lilly
Marquis or Hill (in my prayers)

Any body have details on Hill in the Venezuela league..he's getting hammered. Don't count on him to do anything.

It should be interesting.

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:18pm

His source at Cubs-

No chance for Dempster resigning, he wants 5/85

Wood gone also, Tampa very interested

Peavy trade needs third team(duh), Peavy needed because of no Dempster

~grain of salt~

Submitted by Andrew
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:18pm

He probably means no re-signing before Thursday. It'd be stupid for Dempster to rule out the Cubs now.

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:24pm

The way he was saying it was the Cubs would not pay 5/85 for Dempster, which is what he's supposedy is asking for.

Submitted by Andrew
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:32pm

Yeah, but I doubt any team is going to pony up that kind of cash off one good year as a starter. Maybe his agent is having delusions of Boras. He may ask for that, but I doubt he gets it.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:35pm

$17M a year for Dempster is...well....um...not wise.

Roll the dice with Samardzija in the rotation and go pay for Furcal and RFer. 

Submitted by jacos
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:46pm

I agree.

And I can't understand the whole he will take a cut in pay to pitch with Peavy is mind boggling. I mean it's not Bball or Football and that they will be on the field again.

Then again he's Canadian.

Submitted by Andrew
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:48pm

Or just keep Marquis. I'd probably trust him over Samardzija for a year. Never thought I'd say that.

Submitted by Jeff_Pico
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:23pm

I'd do the Peavy deal pretty much under any circumstances, Vitters might hurt a little but I'll take a pitcher with Cy Young stuff over a prospect.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 8:53pm

Kerry Wood's got Cy Young stuff...

Submitted by Chad
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:51pm

that and Peavy actually has won one.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 7:09am

So Randy Johnson would be better than Peavy?

Submitted by Chad
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 10:29am

if it was 28 year old Randy Johnson, then yes.

The difference is that Jake Peavy has Cy Young stuff and has one one. Meaning that he's put up the numbers deserving of a Cy Young award and will probably continue to show his Cy Young stuff.

Kerry Wood will not put up Cy Young numbers nor will Randy Johnson.

Why are you trying to pick this nit when you God Damned well what he's trying to say?

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 12:47pm

Because I think Peavy is a disaster waiting to happen for whichever team trades for him. You can see the Braves are not willing to discuss their two 'five star prospects' but the Cubs, in theory are. That doesn't make sense.

Submitted by spongebob
on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:43pm

Winter Leagues

Rich Hill ERA 6.28 IN-14.1 Hits 15 13BB 9

Angel Guzman - ERA 2.08 In 13 H14 K- 8 BB-3

Submitted by Jim Hickmans Bat
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 8:27am

I've read in a couple places now about maybe Adam Dunn to the Cubs. Can he even play RF? He sure can't play LF worth a damn, but if he has a strong arm (I don't know, does he?), there's no reason he'd be any worse in RF than in LF, right?

He would certainly address the Cubs' age-old need for a LH power bat in the middle of the order. If they signed him, I imagine he would be the heir apparent at 1B once Lee's contract is over.

Final question, this one about Brian Roberts. Would the Orioles at all be interested in Mark DeRosa as part of a Roberts trade? I wonder if the Cubs could put together trade packages for BOTH Peavy and Roberts; I'm not convinced the Cubs have enough quality young players, but maybe DeRosa would help them get it done.

If the Cubs DID somehow acquire Peavy, Roberts and Dunn, I'm buying my World Series tickets right now.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 12:49pm

The Cubs already have two heir apparents for first base in Ramirez and Soriano.

I am not sure about Dunn's arm. He was a college QB, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's playable, though I don't know why the Reds wouldn't have played him in right. The other option would be to move Soriano to right (or center), but his arm is a little short for that.

Submitted by crunch
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 4:23pm

ive heard this Dunn/Cubs/RF crap, too.

yes, pinella will play guys in RF who have no business there, but not regularly (thankfully).

dunn can barely play LF and his arm is clunky. hell, he can barely play 1st.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 11:33pm

Right field has the fewest plays.

Submitted by Chad
on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 12:52am

but generally requires the best arm.

having said this, Dunn was a college qb. I bet his arm is better that we think

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 3:03am

dunn's arm isn't that bad, but it's not good or accurate. he's also battled off/on soreness with his throwing arm almost yearly.

much like the entire package that is adam dunn he's got an amazing set of tools he applies really oddly.

it makes me wonder how good of a player he could be if he actually liked the game as much as some other players out there. there's more than a few that think dunn could use a clemens meets schilling lockerroom "talk" to get him into the game more.

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