Hey, Did You Know the Cubs Haven’t Won the World Series in a While?

GAME 60 PREVIEW BOSTON RED SOX (32-28) at CHICAGO CUBS (32-27) Wrigley Field, 2:15pm CT, TV: FOX Greetings from Hannover Germany, where beer and cigarettes are the order of the day! Well, just the beer for me, actually, though I feel like I've been smoking for the last week. I'm checking in from my business trip to deliver some important breaking news. It seems that the Cubs haven't won a World Series since 1908. Not only that, but they're in the middle of a series with the Boston Red Sox, who a) won the World Series last year, and b) before that, hadn't won one since 1918. Why, I had no idea! And apparently neither did anyone else in the country, since that seems to be the only storyline surrounding this series. OK, not the only storyline -- there's also the "Nomar gets his ring, sort of" story. But there's a whole lot more going on in Cub- and Red Sox-land. So here are seven other things that the national media should be talking about: 1. The Cubs have won 11 of their last 13 and are currently 1/2 game out of the wildcard spot. 2. With Kerry Wood and Mark Prior missing significant time with injuries, Carlos Zambrano (4-3, 2.94, 75K/31 BB) has emerged as the ace of the staff and one of the best young pitchers in baseball. 3. Zambrano isn't the best starter on the Cubs this year -- that honor goes to Glendon Rusch (5-1, 2.07, 42/27), who's gunning for the Mr. Unsung Award two years running. 4. Derrek Lee:hitting::German guys:beer drinking 5. N-E-I-F-I 6. The Red Sox are looking up at the Orioles, which is strange, but not as strange as the fact that they're looking down at the Yankees, and can't even see them because the Blue Jays are in the way. 7. Just like the Cubs, the Red Sox are weathering pitching injuries (to David Wells and Curt Schilling), though they're doing it mostly by climbing on Big Papi's back and letting him drag them over .500. I was going to go for ten, but I ran out of steam after two Red Sox ones and, honestly, I don't care enough about them to find three more. Go see what Evan has to say at Fire Brand of the American League if you want more Carmines info. Truth be told, the Red Sox are one of my favorite teams and I was really happy to see them win the Series last year. But I'll be even happier once El Toro shuts them down this afternoon on national TV, thereby verifying his All-Star bona fides, and Rusch does the same on ESPN tomorrow night.
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Since when do we have a better record than the Red Sox?

2. With Kerry Wood and Mark Prior missing significant time with injuries, Carlos Zambrano (4-3, 2.94, 75K/31 BB) has emerged as the ace of the staff and one of the best young pitchers in baseball.

ah hem! Zambrano emerged as the ace of the staff LAST year.

As for being young, he looks like a guy who's shaved five years off his birth date.

For those of you living in the "Champaign-ish Central Illinois" area guess what, the good people at FOX WRSP-TV have decided we are all Cardinals fans here and are showing us the Cards vs Yanks game today instead of showing us Cubs vs Bo-Sox. BLECCH!

Go here to gripe accordingly: www.wrsptv.com/contact.html

32-27 is better than 32-28, so the Cubs do have a better record.

The greatest part of the current streak is that the Cubs are winning in spite of Prior and Woody once again being DL brothers.

The greatest part of the current streak is that there's actually a semblance of order in the bullpen now. First time since .... Beck? Myers? Who knows?

Hey Aaron, it could be worse. At least you're not going to have to listen to THom Brennaman and Steve Lyons.

I California, we get those two clowns almost every Saturday. THom with that try to be a deep voice guy sounds like a guy sitting on the toilet with a bad case of constipation.

My girlfriend called me while I was on my way home from work to say that Lyons and THom named Sosa as the best Cub ever.

Statistically maybe, but there's somebody else named Mr. Cub.

After the two innings, they must've ran out of those scripted FOX-isms. They sound more like normal broadcasters. Nothing great, but not annoying.

How about this one:

Neifi:Everyday position player::Kiefer Sutherland:Actor getting steady work.

Is Blanco not the last person that you would want up in this situation? With one out and runners on second and third?

Well...I guess it worked, but now we get the pleasure of watching Macias hit for Welleymeyer.

24 rules

FOX announcers said Z left with an injury? Foot or ankle? What? Really?

Okay, they just said it was a strained left big toe. I don't know if I can believe that. Hopefully not caused by sneezing. Actaully, is that like turf toe?

He slid awkwardly into second base on a force play. They showed the trainers working on him in the dugout. He then went out to warm up for the sixth and waved that he couldn't do it. They're saying it's a sprained big toe on his left foot and will be taking x-rays.

Thans, Steve. Anyone catch C-Pat take that fly ball off his melon?

That was pathetic...Corey ran to the wall, then gave up, and the ball bounced off the wall and hit his head. He has to make that play, or at least make a greater effort on the play!

Well, hell yes. Did he expect any different? He clumisly tripped over 2nd base. Bad call Z

Is it just me, or does Blanco have a hard time catching the ball. He may have a great arm, but if you can't catch the ball, the arm doesn't mean much.

Dempster, working hard to blow this thing..

He certainly wasn't helped by CPat's invaluable OF play. Leave him in Roth

Well, I didn't get to see the game...as living out here in California makes me an A's fan for some reason....

Just saw this on the ESPN recap of the game...I think its pretty encouraging

"Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood, on the DL with sore shoulder, is slated to start a rehab assignment at Triple-A Iowa on Monday"

Lets hope that he's made enough adjustments to his mechanics to keep him off the DL for a long time

As I was hoping they would, Fox switched to the Cubs game right after the Braves beat the A's ... was able to catch the remainder of the game right after Wuertz came in to relieve Remy at the top of the eigth, runner on first, no outs.

1) Possible Play of the game candidate: thought for sure (no thanks to the Fox camera crew) that Bellhorn's high arcing shot - with two outs in the 8th - was out of the park. The way the camera angel was shot, it appeared to be just a matter of how far back into the bleachers the ball was going to be ... then at the very last moment they violently jerked the camera down to Burnitz catching the ball at the warning track with his back almost against the ivy. Wuertz had a sheepish grin walking to the dugout.
3) HUGE 2 runs put up by Burnitz, Ramirez, Walker (not bat work with 2 strikes) and Holly in the 8th. You knew a 1 run lead would not hold water in the 9th.
2) Another big play candidate: As bad as it was in the top of the 9th for Dempster, at least he got Ortiz to ground out weakly to first ... huge play considering the folks coming up next. The pitches to both Renteria and Ramirez which were lined to RF were not terrible - excellent adjustments by both hitters. Dempster seemed more comfortable going after the lefties with his offspeed stuff and was not going to let a righty pull a fastball out of the park.

Z's slide was, er, interesting to say the least. He went in both feet first, feet apart, and right at the bag. I think his big toe of his left foot clipped the left hand edge of the bag, and that's what must have caused the injury. His momentum kept him going - his right foot cleared the right hand side of the bag, his crown jewels went right on over it (which was the bit of the slide that looked really painful, not the toe) and he ended up sitting on his backside past the bag (he got his uniform nice and dirty). He took a while getting up, and he walked to the dugout gingerly, and I at least presumed it was just his cojones hurting. Next you know they're wrapping his foot in the dugout, and when he comes out for the next inning, he throws a warm-up pitch or two and shakes his head. And to think we thought he was a horse, when all it takes is a sore toe to get him out of the game! ;-) He had thrown over 100 pitches through 5 though.

Corey's play was interesting too. I don't know what happened really. It was as though he didn't know where the ball was or something. He backed up sideways, pretty slowly and steadily, felt for the ivy, and just as he was getting to the ivy, he suddenly became extremely defensive, trying to take evasive action more than anything, his knees buckling and he kind of tried to hide his head in his glove, that's what it looked like. Maybe the ball suddenly got big on him or he lost it or something. The ball hit off the ivy and then ricochetted off the side of his head, and it went pretty much straight to Holly in left (who was but 10 feet away). Had Corey stood upright and simply jumped, he'd have had it at the ivy.

What a win though. Great game to watch, those of you with the blackout really got screwed.

Anyone else ready to strangle THom and Lyons going on and on re: Ramirez's homerless streak in the 9th inning ... unbearable.

IMO: Olerud's shot off the Ivy (and subsequent blast to CPat's ear) to start the 9th would have taken an Olympian jump/catch combo to pull off. At first glance on live TV it looked do-able (I though it hit off CPat's head to start with), but the replay appeared to show the ball caromb off the top of the wall. Good backup by Holly on the play nevertheless.

Really hope Big Z's toe injury is not of the Chipper Jones variety (ligament strain - out 6-8 weeks wearing a boot). Not good ... really need Wood to come back healthy.

IMHO, it's not exactly fair to hate Corey for that play in the 9th. It seemed like he knew exactly where the ball was, i.e., he knew that it was going to hit the base of the basket and tumble through the ivy and chances of catching it were slim. Corey isn't exactly tall (though he does have mad hops). Still, would you have launched yourself face first into the ivy to catch that thing? Keep in mind that there is BRICK behind it.

Eric--"1) Possible Play of the game candidate: thought for sure (no thanks to the Fox camera crew) that Bellhorn's high arcing shot - with two outs in the 8th - was out of the park. The way the camera angel was shot, it appeared to be just a matter of how far back into the bleachers the ball was going to be ... then at the very last moment they violently jerked the camera down to Burnitz catching the ball at the warning track with his back almost against the ivy. Wuertz had a sheepish grin walking to the dugout."

Man. That was heart in mouth stuff. Watching it, I definately thought it was out. Definately. Actually, I thought it was a completely out of the ballpark shot, as in onto Sheffield. Maybe it was just the camera work, they were showing an awful lot of sky. Listening to the commentary, I wasn't quite so sure - they were talking about Burnitz going back, and back some more, but all the time with a pretty conservative tone, as if they were sure he was going to catch it. And catch it he did, literally with his back to the ivy as he squared up underneath it (he didn't jump). What a letoff. Otherwise I thought Wuertz pitched really well (bailing out Dusty after he tried to use Remlinger as a LOOGY which allowed Nixon on). A nice battle with Varitek (weak tapper back to Wuertz), great changeup inside to Mueller (swung over it), and he made Bellhorn look stupid earlier in that at-bat too.

Olerud's shot off the Ivy (and subsequent blast to CPat's ear) to start the 9th would have taken an Olympian jump/catch combo to pull off.

Come on...Corey easily could have reached that ball. Corey can pretty much reach to the top of the wall...but the ball wasn't even that high. It was about 18-24 inches below the top of the wall. He should have at least gotten a glove on it.

And I am a Corey supporter...

"He should have at least gotten a glove on it."

Dave - and that's been the rub with Cpat this whole year. He's gotten to a lot of big shots, but just hasn't been able to glove 'em when it appeared he should have. It just didn't appear to me that that ball was one of this variety.

Eric--"IMO: Olerud's shot off the Ivy (and subsequent blast to CPat's ear) to start the 9th would have taken an Olympian jump/catch combo to pull off. At first glance on live TV it looked do-able (I thought it hit off CPat's head to start with), but the replay appeared to show the ball caromb off the top of the wall."

BC--"IMHO, it's not exactly fair to hate Corey for that play in the 9th. It seemed like he knew exactly where the ball was, i.e., he knew that it was going to hit the base of the basket and tumble through the ivy and chances of catching it were slim. Corey isn't exactly tall (though he does have mad hops). Still, would you have launched yourself face first into the ivy to catch that thing? Keep in mind that there is BRICK behind it."

I thought it was definately catchable, even seeing the replay. I really don't know what happened, it looked to me like Corey bailed out, so I assume he must have lost in the sun or the ball got big on him in a hurry, or something. It didn't hit right off the top of the ivy, it was at least three feet down, and only about two feet above where Corey's head would have been had he simply been standing up straight. He'd have needed to jump, definately, but he wouldn't have been jumping into the wall so much as simply jumping upwards, because his momentum towards the wall had really slowed. It wasn't like the two-run play at the wall in LA where he was really hurtling. I think this one would have been an impressive play to make, but those are the kind of plays you have to make if you want to stand a shot at a Gold Glove.

Are you sure it hit the base of the basket, bc? I agree with Eric, it looked to be as though it went straight to the wall and then to the right hand side of Corey's head.

I'm with Dave on this and the play. I think I'd call myself more of a Corey defender than a Corey supporter though.

Thank goodness a blast to the CF ivy started the inning ... instead of it happening with 2 outs and the tying run at 2nd. That Trot Nixon pop-up to Aramis to finish it was enough excitement for me, thank you very much!

Haven't been this jacked about Cubs Bball since the Nomar trade last year. Be plenty more jacked if/when good news comes about Big Z's condition.

Yeh, that was an exciting ninth inning. Too exciting. Exciting game overall, great come from behind win. I think the best thing, that shows how far we've come, is that even when we were 4-0 down early, I didn't ever feel like we were out of the game. Earlier in the season even the smallest deficit felt insurmountable. The return of Walker, the inevitable resurgance of Ramirez, improvements from Hollandsworth, all have really helped. We scored seven runs today despite Neifi and Lee managing just one walk in their eight trips to the plate.

And we go for the sweep tomorrow - Tim Wakefield going for the Sox! And Wakefield's normally either very good or very bad. Could go either way.

I thought that the ball went straight through the ivy. It's got at least 6 inches thickness to it, right? It looked as if the ball nicked the base of the basket where it's connected to the wall and then fell through the ivy (still near the wall), possibly karimed [sp?] off a branch or leaf and then came out.

I could be wrong though =)

Either way... I feel like every save the cubs have is gonna give me a coronary. But as long as we keep winning them...

Nice to half Walker back. Just a professional hitter. Waiting for Korey. Do something, anything.

Go Cubs!

/German guy, going for the beer now

Isn't there a coach who could teach Zambrano how to run the bases properly? I swear, half the time I've seen him slide he either hurts himself or comes damn close...

Trying to recall from last year ... was it sliding into the 2nd base or 3rd base bag which caused Aramis to miss quite a few games with a strained groin?

Anyways, that was a hell of a double off Aramis' bat in the 8th. Good to see that the evil aliens who took him away for most of April/May brought him back in time for June.

All you guys criticizing Corey Patterson. Can you answer this question correctly? It's a vision test.

How deep did Greg Maddux's homerun go?

a)Waveland Avenue
b)in the seats
c)hit the top of the wall
d)just made it into the basket

Good news on the Zambrano injury front. This from espn.com's game recap:

"X-rays were negative and Zambrano should be ready for his next start, trainer Mark O'Neal said."

Not to be a jinx, but I think this year's setting up nicely for a second half run. Nothing like a seven game winning streak to fill the whole dug with a seven game losing streak!

To everybody trashing Corey on that play in the 9th.

That ball went into the ivy and came back out before it hit him in the head. This isn't the metrodome. Thom said at the beginning of the game that the wall is 10 1/2 ft. tall. Yeah, maybe he could've jumped to catch it, but not realistically You play that off the wall, but it came out of the ivy funny.

"And we go for the sweep tomorrow - Tim Wakefield going for the Sox! And Wakefield's normally either very good or very bad. Could go either way."

I'm not too worried, from what I heard the other night on SportsCenter, Wakefield is horrible in Interleague play, I think he's only won 2 games

I think this year's setting up nicely for a second half run.

Translation: We have 3 of our best players hurt. If they come back 100% we could be in business later on.

With Corey's play, don't forget he was on a dead sprint from right center field, then had to leap up about a 9 feet to make that catch.

By the way, your NL leading VORP catcher is now Michael Barrett.

"but those are the kind of plays you have to make if you want to stand a shot at a Gold Glove." - John Hill

Exactly

Also CP is OVERRATED as a fielder. I said it yesterday and I'll say it again. He speed makes up for his lack of ball tracking. That play HAS to be made. I have it on Tivo and watched it five times. it hit a foot or so above his head (arm's reach) then hit him in the head. Glad to see CP did actually nothing to help the team today. I could have batted second and played center and done no worse. Thank God we won. And don't tell me that that double didn't matter. The whole inning would have been different with one out to start the inning.

Way to rally and not shut down a quit. This team could have folded and said, "Hey, we got the champs yesterday and let's get them tomorrow.' But they didn't and that shows a ton of character and you know who should get credit for this type of behavior? Yes, vets like Todd Walker (who played his ASS off today) but the credit should go to Dusty. This is the type of game where a manager matters. In Dusty..

Also, did you guys see that jerk in the Boston jersey holding up the 1908 sign? C'mon! Boston fans have really turned in the last year. Wow, the Sox win one in 86 and all the sudden they get to razz us? Screw them. On opening day, I wore one of my Cub jerseys to work. This Boston fan I work with starts giving me a hard time. A told him to take a flying leap and they will be forever the Yankee Bitches no matter how many world series they won. That almost got me punched.

I wonder how long people will continue to think of Boston as an underdog and not as a large market team that uses the second largest payroll in baseball to remain competative. In my mind they are the same as the Yankees and Dodgers now. Not to mention that Boston now holds both the world series trophy, superbowl trophy, and the Celtics won the Atlantic divison of the Eastern Conferance. They will get no sympathy from me for quite a while.

Well from the sounds of it at least everyone else here got to see bits and pieces of the game. I myself listened to it on 720 AM thanks to the good people at WRSP-TV Champaign/Springfield (bastards!). But that's ok, it was worth it since we won anyways and the Cardinals lost! HAHAHAHAHA! STUPID CENTRAL ILLINOIS CARDINALS FANS! HAHA! YOU LOST! TO THE STUPID YANKEES!

And on an even funnier note... rabid retarded rapist Mike Tyson QUIT in the ring after 6 rounds tonight.

Um yeah I'm inebriated.

EAMUS CATULI

A quote from Dusty on Z's injury in MSNCB's game report.

ìHe was looking back and lost sight of where the base was, so it was an ugly slide,î Cubs manager Dusty Baker said. ìIt could have been a lot worse than that. We were hoping he could give us another inning, but he couldnít push off on that toe.î

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but being a RHP, he would land on the left foot not push off from it. Can Dusty be that inept at telling left from right, or is he hiding something?

I'm going to completely flip-flop on the Corey play. I've just seen it again about five times, and I think Pennant's right, I need to get my eyesight tested (or get more sleep), because I got it completely wrong last night. I said "those are the kind of plays you have to make if you want to stand a shot at a Gold Glove". Scratch that. That should read "those are the kind of plays you have to make if you want to stand a shot at being mistaken for Superman". There's no way Corey, or any other centre fielder in the game, could have made the play.

BC is right, the ball definately glanced off the underside of the basket (about 13 feet up). It wasn't a big deflection, but it was a deflection all the same, and the ball took a slightly sharper downward path. It then disappeared into the ivy right at the very top (and the ivy is 11 1/2 feet tall there). It then obviously hit the brick wall, and only then did it re-appear out of the ivy about three feet down and about two feet above where Corey's head would have been had he not taken evasive action (so about 8 feet up).

I don't blame Corey for taking evasive action. He went back slowly and felt for the ivy, and he realised that he simply didn't have any further to go back and therefore couldn't get to it. To make the catch, he'd have had to have got to the ball before it glanced off the underside of the basket. That's about 13 feet up I reckon (given the ivy's 11 1/2 feet there, Thom's wrong on that, it's not 10 1/2). Corey's 5 foot 9. I'm guessing he can't make up more than 7 feet from what was pretty much at that stage a standing start (Merigold, he definately wasn't sprinting any more, he'd slowed up a lot). It wasn't a case of the ball getting big on Corey or him losing it as I suggested last night, it was a case of him realising he can't jump seven feet, and that he had no way of telling how a ball going that fast is going to deflect when there's a the basket and a brick wall covered by a thick layer of ivy involved, except that it might deflect right at him if he's standing there. And it did as he happened. Luckily he's alright.

Sorry Corey for jumping on you unfairly before. Corey may or may not be overrated as a fielder (I'm not sure on that, I think he's pretty damn good), but that play there is neither here nor there in that discussion, because there wasn't a play there that anyone on planet earth could have made. Sorry, Chad, but you need to find something else to bash Corey for.

Maddux's home run, Pennant, was definately d) just made it into the basket :p

John:
Nice save. I agree with your latest exactly. This isn't Shea Stadium, or the old Fulton County Coliseum (Gary Matthews, anyone?), where fielders can reach over the wall to stop a homer. I can't recall seeing anyone make a catch right at the base of the basket, and that's what it would have taken to catch that ball yesterday.

John, I don't know if you are still reading this thread but...

After the play Corey looked at Holly, pointed to himself and said, "My bad, my bad". I could not hear it but you can easily read his lips. He blew it and he knew it.

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