Cubs Organizational Report Week 23

Abbreviated organizational report this week since the minors league seasons are over except for the AA Jaxx. I'll get a post up with the final minor league numbers in the next few weeks. For more info on the Cubs' minor league system, check out Rudy Kamman, writing at Road to Wrigley. Team Records updated through 9/12/05
Organizational Records
TeamW-LGB/Pos.Last 10
Chicago Cubs71-72(Div)19.5/3rd
(WC)5.5/5th
8-2
Iowa Cubs64-758.5/4th3-7
West Tenn Diamond Jaxx*39-31
83-56
0.0/1st5-5
Daytona Cubs34-34
69-66
4.0/5th6-4
Peoria Chiefs33-37
68-72
4.5/6th5-5
Boise Hawks34-423.0/3rd5-5
AZL Cubs9-19
19-37
9.0/9th4-6
Cubs Ex W/L: 72-71; (2003) 76-67; (2004) 79-64 * West Tennessee swept their first round series over the Carolina Mudcats and face the Jacksonville Suns for the Southern League championship starting on Tuesday, September 13th.
TRANSACTIONS
MLB NONE TO REPORT AAA/Iowa SEASON OVER AA/West Tennessee NONE TO REPORT Advanced A/Daytona SEASON OVER A/Peoria SEASON OVER Low A/Boise SEASON OVER Rookie Leauge/Arizona SEASON OVER Southern League Playoffs Game 1: Jaxx 3, Mudcats 0 Game 2: Jaxx 2, Mudcats 1 Game 3: Jaxx 11, Mudcats 2 Jaxx win series 3-0 Championship Series: Game 1 (Sept. 13th): @ Jacksonsville Suns Game 2 (Sept. 14th): @ Jacksonville Suns Game 3 (Sept. 16th): vs. Jacksonsville Suns Game 4 (Sept. 17th): vs. Jacksonville Suns (if necessary) Game 5 (Sept. 18th): vs. Jacksonville Suns (if necessary) GREG MADDUX WINS WATCH Needs 3 wins in 4 starts (possibly 5) to continue his streak of 15 or more wins a season for an 18th year. His projected starts: 09/12 vs. Cincinnati Reds 09/17 vs. St. Louis Cardinals 09/23 vs. Houston Astros 09/29 @ Houston Astros With off-days, they may skip some starts and go with the following: 09/12 vs. Cinicinnati Reds 09/17 vs. St. Louis Cardinals 09/22 @ Milwaukee Brewers 09/27 vs. Pittsburgh Pirates 10/02 @ Houston Astros 2005 ARIZONA FALL LEAGUE PARTICIPANTS RHP David Aardsma RHP Angel Guzman SS/OF Buck Coats OF Matt Murton 2B Eric Patterson 1B/OF Brandon Sing

Comments

Is there any reason in any universe that's sane in any way (I realize it's Dusty's world and we're all just living in it) that you wouldn't go with 5 starts for Maddux? Even if you're making the argument that they're pushing for a playoff spot (HA), isn't he still one of your 3 best pitchers? You don't have to skip Prior or Z, so what's to lose? Dusty made some noise today about "well, if he needs another start, we can get him one later", but if he's not rested, that doesn't work.

Is there any reason in any universe that's sane in any way (I realize it's Dusty's world and we're all just living in it) that you wouldn't go with 5 starts for Maddux? Even if you're making the argument that they're pushing for a playoff spot (HA), isn't he still one of your 3 best pitchers? You don't have to skip Prior or Z, so what's to lose? Dusty made some noise today about "well, if he needs another start, we can get him one later", but if he's not rested, that doesn't work.

Oh, and wouldn't the last start be on 10/2?

Right you are, my bad. Fixed!

"09/27 vs. Pittsburgh Pirates"

That sure does look familiar.

For the Dusty's fans and detractors on the TCR, here are Joe Sheehan's comments from his baseball notes column on today's baseballpropsectus web page. Joe, who is a real big Dusty fan (NOT!), is not to high on Cedeno who the Cubs are willing to dump Garcippara to make room for. He also does not understand that Dusty expects a rookie to earn his way into and up the line-up. At least that is my SWAG at Dusty's handling of Murton as nothing else makes sense.

"Dusty Baker continues to impress. He's finally found it in his heart to work Matt Murton into the lineup once in a while, but when he does, he bats him eighth. Murton is hitting .342/.424/.521, yet hits behind Neifi Perez on those rare occasions when he starts.
What's truly hilarious is comparing Murton to Ronny Cedeno. Murton out-hit Cedeno coming into '05, destroyed what Cedeno did at Double-A, and even matched Cedeno's BA-driven fluke season at Triple-A in limited time at that level. He's also out-hit Cedeno in the majors. Matt Murton is, by any reasonable standard, a better hitter than Ronny Cedeno.

And when they both start, Cedeno bats second, Murton bats eighth. Look, middle infielders bat second, mmmkay?

On the other hand, Baker has added another data point to the argument that any pitcher can be made into a closer. Ryan Dempster will reach 30 saves by the end of the season, the latest in a long line of mediocre pitchers to pick up the scarlet "C" and, likely, make million of dollars for it. His numbers in relief aren't terrible: 2.20 ERA in 49 innings, 40 strikeouts and 22 walks. By the standards of short relievers, those aren't exceptional, and Dempster has a critical flaw for a closer: lefties slap him around (.297/.417/.391 in 2005). This won't end well."

Cubs still in it? Stranger things have happened. Take it game by game. Win tonight and then see what happens. If by some stroke of luck we gain two games this week, then we are 3.5 out with two weeks to go. At that point, I would say we are definitely back in it.

Ron Galt asked me a couple of Chats back about the 2003 Prospectus Article that talked up Dusty's ability to get the most out of veterans. They had two tables in the article. One consisted of the veterans on the 2002 World Series team and second, bigger, table of players who had a least 350 plate appearances with Dusty and who had pre Dusty and Post Dusty careers. The vast majority were definetly better performers under Dusty. I am not at home, but will copy the smaller table in a follow-up Post.

is there any real heat behind this rumor that the cubs would let nomar walk to play cedeno instead?

that would be an atrocious move...

only sportswriters selling papers...

depending on what week it is, garciappara's coming back to start, neifi's coming back to start, furcal's coming to start, cedeno's ready to take over at SS, cedeno's gonna be the backup, or he's moving to 2nd when walker is traded while one of the other 3 starts at SS.

wee!

ps- adam dunn.

Did anyone read the articles about the possibility of Nomar playing left field?...Imagine....Barrett/Blanco at Catcher, DLEE, Walker, Cedeno, Ramirez from 1st to 3rd, Nomah in Left, Damon in Center and Burnie in Right....Cedeno would be practically free, and Damon would come from the "Sammy Savings"...resign burnie for your third outfielder, bench of Blanco, Perez, Hairston, Murton, and Grieve/McClain/whomever....Bullpen filled from within with Prior, Z, Wood, Maddux, and Williams filling the rotation. If Ramirez pulls a groin, put Nomar there and Murton in left...if Walker gets hurt or Cedeno, play Neifi...or move Nomar in and put Murton in left...I don't know the odds of Nomar playing left, but, boy do I like our lineup:

1.Damon
2.Cedeno
3.DLee
4.Nomar
5.Ramirez
6.Burnie
7.Walker
8.Barrett
9.Pitcher

Doesn't sound too bad to me at all...

Damon's not coming. Get over your boner for that guy.

Jon at Work,

Wouldn't it make more sense to leave Nomar at short and let Murton start in left?

Blue,

I suppose...I guess I figured this would plug two gaps at once...our need for a leftfielder and a decent SS(although the jury may still be out on Cedeno). And Cedeno would be really cheap...but I suppose Murton and Nomar would give us the same savings Murton's salary versus Cedeno's and Murton would fill the left field spot...so, either way, I suppose

I am glad to see I am not the only one Big John Stud harasses on here and adds nothing to the conversation but classless attacks.

ROB G: John Koronka has been added to the Cubs contingent that will be playing for the Mesa Solar Sox in the AFL starting next month. So it was a lefty, but not the lefty I thought it would be (I figured Ryan O'Malley).

thanks for the info az phil, I'll fix it for next week.

Joe Sheehan--"Matt Murton is, by any reasonable standard, a better hitter than Ronny Cedeno."

Of course, and so he's right that Murton should bat higher up the order, but I really don't appreciate his tone towards Cedeno. Writing off Cedeno's spell at Triple-A as a "BA-driven fluke" misses the point given that knocking off 80 points of average on balls in play leaves Cedeno's line at around .290/.340/.440, still extremely respectable for a 22-year old shortstop having his first go at a league, even if it is a hitter-friendly one. Furthermore, Cedeno is a good defensive shortstop, and while that doesn't mean Cedeno should bat second, it does mean you should try to avoid sounding like you think absolutely nothing of Cedeno.

It's also interesting that Sheehan doesn't see fit to point out that merely adequate left-field defender Murton's stint at Double-A (and everywhere else this year) also has "BA-driven fluke" written all over it in that Murton is no natural .340 hitter now, and he doesn't ever project as one either. Right now, until Murton's eye starts resulting in more walks and his power comes through, and I expect that it will, he's not so much superior a hitter relative to Cedeno that you need to have a massive go at Dusty over which way around they're batting. Rather you just have to be grateful they're in the lineup at all, and take the fact that they're the wrong way around as a slight inconvenience as opposed to something that's ruining our season. It's not as though Cedeno has a .304 OBP or anything.

I don't read Sheehan, I'm not a subscriber, but whenever he's quoted he seems to know an awful lot about what he's talking about. I'm just not sure what his problem is here. Dusty probably. Anyway, it's a moot point now, Cedeno's injured and Mr .304 is batting second again now. Now that's something I don't mind Sheehan vociferously complaining about.

its doubtful he's got a huge problem with cedeno, but cedeno's not exactly a guy who projects well with a bat.

he'll swing at a lotta stuff, make contact (mostly weak), and has an extremely straight swing.

if he had more power it would lead to line-drive gappers, but most of the time it leads to solid smacks and bloopers that dont go further than 200ft.

cedeno's not a guy who you have to pitch around...you just pitch somewhere off/near the plate and eventually he'll swing at it and make contact somewhere.

he's not gonna wait for his pitch cuz everything is his pitch. he's not vlad-like in plate selection (bad) but he's not gonna sit around and wait for his ideal pitch for his stregnths.

Thanks for another repetition of your scouting report, Crunch. I still don't agree with it, and I probably still won't if you run it by me another hundred times.

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  • bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*

    crunch 58 min 56 sec ago view
  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 1 hour 1 min ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 2 hours 6 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 3 hours 15 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 5 hours 55 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 58 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 8 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 6 hours 14 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 27 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 6 hours 33 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 37 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 6 hours 38 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 43 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 46 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 6 hours 47 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 6 hours 51 min ago view