Where’s Theriot?

GAME 145 IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CINCINNATI REDS (67-76) @ CHICAGO CUBS (71-73) WRIGLEY FIELD, 7:05 pm CDT, TV: WGN, Fox Sports Ohio
Carlos Zambrano, RHP
13-5, 3.18 ERA
180/78 K/BB, 15 HR in 195.0 IP
Eric Milton, LHP
7-14, 6.63 ERA
111/47 K/BB, 39 HR in 165.2 IP
2B Ryan Freel CF Jerry Hairston Jr.
SS #Felipe Lopez
alker LF *Adam Dunn 1B Derrek Lee CF Wily Mo Pena 3B Nomar Garciaparra 1B *Sean Casey RF *Jeromy Burnitz C Jason LaRue C Michael Barrett 3B Edwin Encarnacion LF Matt Murton RF Chris Denorfia SS #Neifi Perez P *Eric Milton P #Carlos Zambrano Just kidding about the title, we can hopefully agree that this is about the best lineup we can hope for with the current Cubs personnel. Don't forget to listen in on the Jaxx quest for the Southern League championship. It's currently 4-2 Jaxx in the top of the second, 3 of the runs coming in on a Brandon Sing homer off Dodger uber-prospect Chad Billingsley. Jae-kuk Ryu is going for the Jaxx. Go Cubs!!!

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Make it 6-2 Jaxx, Matt Craig hit a 2 run shot in the top of the 2nd.

Out of all of the Jaxx starting pitchers this season (Hill,Marmol, Marshall, Nolasco, Pinto, Ryu) which one do you think makes the best pro. My feeling is it will be Nolasco. His neutral style is made for Wrigley. If he has control of his pitches he could throw to the conditions. Also he has stayed pretty healthy which seems to be a mircle for pitcher's in this organization. The only place he struggled was at AAA and he was called up there more because they needed somebody than they felt he was enterly ready for it. Anyone else have any thoughts on the matter?

That's my Papa!

If houston can get 3 from florida I believe the cubs can get in with a 14-4 record. Both the phillies and Florida have 6 games each against ATL. If atl wins 4 out of 6 Florida has to go 6-6 in the other games and Philly has to go 7-5. Florida's other games are against Philly NYM and Washington. Philly's are Florida, Cin NYM and Was. I'll make a prediction:

IF We finish 14-4 taking 5 out of 7 from Houston we will at least tie for the wild card. Unless Florida sweeps houston.

Go Cubs
Give us something good to tell our future grandkids about!!!

NCFAN, you are absolutely delusional.

I'm having problems with the WTenn feed on the net tonight since the 5th ining...but can get the Jacksonville feed.

8th inning

Jaxx 7 Suns 4

No way Macias is a better hitter than Big Z.

So Baker lifts Z for Macias. Does he read statistics that say Z's VORP is 11 something while Macias's is -3.2. WHY DOES HE KEEP GETTING AT-BATS??

I just looked it up. Z was a better hitter last year according to VORP too.

Diamond Jaxx Win!! (lead best of 5 series, 1-0)

West Tenn
4 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 7 9 0
Jacksonville
2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 7 0

looks like Michael Barrett still needs to work on rundowns between home and 3rd...

Good fundamentals from Dusty's squad? Now that's an oxymoron.

Wouldn't this be a great place to have C-Pat bunt instead of Theriot?

That is one thing that C-Pat does decently.

And as I write this, Theriot strikes out looking.

And anyone want to question Dusty's decision to bunt in front of DLee so that they could walk Lee?

Matt Murton for President!!! Let's see 2 runs scored, 1 rbi, .354 average. See Dusty, he can play 9.

Cubs Win!!! In Dusty We Trusty!!!

One game under .500.

9-3 in Sept.

Go Cubs!!

good job for the bullpen tonight.

I just looked it up. Z was a better hitter last year according to VORP too.

You are missing the concept behind VORP. A player with a better VORP isn't always the better hitter. VORP is value over a replacement, at his position. A replacement pitcher and a replacement PH are different.

Look at EqA, Z's better this year, but Macias was last season. Vorps biggest concept is value, you really don't want to look at it when you are comparing hitting only.

Well, I certainly hope, though, that we can agree that the fact that Z has a better EqA this year than one of our utility/pinch-hit bats off the bench is pathetic even if he didn't manage to top the guy last year too.

Still tired from having seen the game tonight. Was cool to see Theriot's first AB. yeah he K'ed but he really battled after getting into an 0-2 hole. "quality process, result needs work."

I know somewhere there's a chart of odds of scoring, and that the odds say it's easier to score 1 run with 1st & 0 outs than 2nd & 1 out but 1st & 2nd + 1 out is still pretty good. How often does Walker GIDP? (Hmm... vs. Nomar...)

Merigoldbowling, I don't think Dusty would know VORP from a REIT, nor does he care to know. He just looks under BA and see that Macias is hitting .275 or something. But someone should introduce Dusty to OBP, which for Macias is also about .275 and therefore awful, and his slugging percentage, which I will SWAG for Macias at about .300, which is pitiful. But Dusty, and the other bigshot managers love the "flexubility" that a guy like Macias brings to the party. I wish the party would start without him.

Murton does appear to be such an offensive force that even Dusty and Hendry can't ignore or dismiss him any longer. I don't think he can keep slugging at this rate, but he has the pedigree to be a high average, high OBP, low strike out guy the Cubs so desperately need. Yes, it would be nice if he was faster and a better defender, but beggars can't be choosers, and he looks better, and will be a lot cheaper, then some of the stiffs on this year's free agent market. Putting Murton in left leaves only two outfield spots to fill. I still prefer Hairston as a super utility guy, altough I'm sure Hairston prefers to start.

Although playing Murton and Hairston everyday rather than Patterson makes the Cubs offense significantly better, I don't think it is enough to get the Cubs to 13-4 the rest of the way, especially with inconsistent 4th and 5th starters and Dusty still experimenting with the bullpen (see yesterday's game when he brought Mitre in rather than Wuertz or Williamson when Ohman got into trouble). This Cubs team had some significant problems this year and it is not better than it's record (lack of depth in starting rotation, offense from outfield, overall defense and fundamentals, and bullpen, in that order (I know Crunch will disagree with this, but I think the bullpen problems were mostly self-inflicted by Dusty's misuse of Hawkins, his abandonment of the Dempster as closer plan, his misuse of Remlinger as a lefty specialist (although Rem might just be finished), and using Fox 3 days in a row, the last time in a blow out, where he hurt his arm).

Looking back, you have to wonder how many games the Cubs might have won back in June, when Derek Lee just owned the league, and Dusty had the out machines, Neifi and Corey, batting in front of him 1-2. Joe Sheehan's article on the Cubs posted on preminium baseballprospectus web site on this showed some very ugly statistics where the Cubs lead-off hitters had a below .300 OBP during this period.

Overall, not one of Dusty's best years. On the the other hand the Dusty effect on players who are not loss causes (see Corey) still seems to be at work as the Cubs have had great offensive years from Lee, Ramirez and Barrett and good ones from Walker, Burnitz, Hairston and Neifi! (or as good as Neifi can have one.)

cubfaningermany wrote: "and Dusty still experimenting with the bullpen (see yesterday's game when he brought Mitre in rather than Wuertz or Williamson when Ohman got into trouble)"

I'm not defending Dusty's use of the bullpen overall, but bringing in Mitre with two outs and men on first and second wasn't a terrible call - Mitre is a ground ball pitcher to the extreme and could have easily gotten a force out, and unfortunately he threw a VERY bad pitch. Wuertz might have been a good choice too, but Williamson can't be counted on in this kind of situation yet, despite his history - he had given up 3 homers in just over 10 innings this season before this game.

TRB Tribune revenues down 0.9% in August (37.69 )

Consolidated revs for the period were $428 mln, down 0.9% from last year's $432 mln. Publishing revs in August were $298 mln, 1.9% lower than last year's $303 mln. Advertising revs increased 0.6% to $234 mln. Total advertising inches were down 4.5%, while preprint pieces increased 0.9%.

Here's an idea Tribsters...instead of working on your goal of a .500 record (snooze city) , put a winning ballclub on the field and you'll show some revenue growth in August.

Baseball America has an interview with Jeff Franceur of the Braves and he was asked who he's faced in the minors that throw better than some of the pitchers he's faced at the major league level.

He named 3 pitchers:

1) Ricky Nolasco, raved about his slider
2) Rich Hill
3) Bobby Jenks, now with the WSox

Cubster-
The Cubs are such a small part of the overall Tribune Company. Even if the Cubs won the WS their overall bottom line would barely move. That is aprt of the problem of a media conglomerate owning a sports team.

Last year the Tribune Company had 5.726 BILLION in sales. Do you think the "ONLY" $300 million or so that the Cubs bring in is making a big dent in their bottom line?

hey, im a big murton fan, too...but lets at least realize where he's putting the bat on the ball.

he's putting almost all of his good hits into RF.

he did have a hell of a homer to LF a few games ago that pretty much solidified his place in the minds of many.

in the 10th he put a ball into LF, though not exactly strong...he did a decent job on the pitch.

i dont think anyone's had a problem with how murton handles lefties or how he handles stuff middle/outside.

The Cup is Half Full:

I would like to THANK BARRY BONDS for not returning until after the Cubs took 3 out of 4 from the Giants!

The Cup is Half Full:

We're now entering a period where teams will be competing exclusively within their division.

The Cubs have moved into 5th place in the wildcard race behind Florida, Houston, Philadelphia, and Washington.

With a win today, the Cubs will continue their plodding pace towards a projected 83-79 record.

The wildcard winner is now projecting at 87-75.

BUT both Houston and Florida, the leaders, have .500 winning percentages within their own division this year while Philadelphia and and Washington have losing records.

If Houston and Florida continue their flat intra-division performance, the wildcard could be won (or tied) with 85 wins.

So, believe it or not, the Cubs are still in the wildcard race and will likely remain there until they lose 5 games or somebody else wins 86.

11 vs stl/hou...ow.

almost too stacked of a schedule vs. houston...not in tallent, but in amount of games the new scheduling crew gave chc/hou to close out the year. 7 games in 10 days vs. houston. hell of a way to end the season.

Houston is choking, not the Cubs. The Cubs are out of it, remember?

Advantage---> Cubs.

"So, believe it or not, the Cubs are still in the wildcard race"

Puff Puff Pass...

"So, believe it or not, the Cubs are still in the wildcard race"

Puff Puff Pass...

Homer Blanco is getting better at the plate and has all season had a cannon for an arm and superb defensive skills. He should start the majority of games.

"You are missing the concept behind VORP. A player with a better VORP isn't always the better hitter. VORP is value over a replacement, at his position. A replacement pitcher and a replacement PH are different."

I'm not so sure about that - I thought VORP was created with the idea of comparing players at different positions and in different years - it's all normalized. Different leagues and parks shouldn't matter either.

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  • Who is this Arrieta guy? Can I get the old one back please?

    The E-Man 53 min 20 sec ago view
  • Well, this is, once again, the whole season for the Sox.

    billybucks 57 min 27 sec ago view
  • ...and the Bryant RBI jinx continues in the 3rd....crap.

    billybucks 2 hours 29 min ago view
  • bryant's in the dugout filling a police report BECAUSE HE JUST GOT ROBBED.

    f'n cabrerra...

    crunch 3 hours 7 min ago view
  • chapman showing up and available tomorrow night.

    i'm sure he'll be a bit hit. hope he doesn't choke. dude has a rifle for an arm. he'll add a bit of punch to the bullpen.

    crunch 3 hours 8 min ago view
  • the 'crosstown classic' sure has lost it's magic with interleague. the excitement level is barely noticable...maybe it's a bit more hype in the city, itself.

    crunch 3 hours 12 min ago view
  • Well he didn't leave a mark so its not that bad.

    Fuck that.

    Facts:

    He choked her.

    Her brother tackled him to separate him.

    He cooled off by shooting his gun in the garage.

    I don't have to like him on the team I follow.

    And you are others are free to not give a shit about his personal misgivings if you so choose as well.

     

     

    Rob G. 3 hours 31 min ago view
  • Sure, no marks and some inconsistencies in the witness's statements. But firing your gun into garage wall immediately after an argument and punching out your car window is still threatening and out of control behavior. There was certainly enough for MLB to think it warranted a 30-game suspension.

    Charlie 4 hours 42 min ago view
  • I'd prefer they be flexible with the closing situation depending on matchups. You're not really adding a lefty reliever if you use him strictly as a closer.

    Charlie 4 hours 43 min ago view
  • Stockpiling young talent isn't only for trading for someone like Chapman though. Even with an elite closer winning the World Series is basically a crap shoot so the key is to get to the playoffs as much as possible and not just mortgage everything on one year. Once you get there an elite bullpen certainly helps but the playoffs can be won by one hitter or starting pitcher getting hot (Murphy, Molina, Baumgardner) and a closer might not be able to stop that.

    johann 5 hours 7 min ago view
  • I'm also not crazy about press convictions. As the police report noted, there were no marks on the lady in question. There's a TMZ link (of course) to her police pictures, as well.

    I think the only way this trade goes real bad is if Cubbery intervenes and Chapman is suddenly bad for some reason.

    Old and Blue 5 hours 10 min ago view
  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 6 hours 40 min ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 6 hours 47 min ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 6 hours 59 min ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 7 hours 1 min ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 7 hours 23 min ago view