Where’s Theriot?

GAME 145 IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CINCINNATI REDS (67-76) @ CHICAGO CUBS (71-73) WRIGLEY FIELD, 7:05 pm CDT, TV: WGN, Fox Sports Ohio
Carlos Zambrano, RHP
13-5, 3.18 ERA
180/78 K/BB, 15 HR in 195.0 IP
Eric Milton, LHP
7-14, 6.63 ERA
111/47 K/BB, 39 HR in 165.2 IP
2B Ryan Freel CF Jerry Hairston Jr.
SS #Felipe Lopez
alker LF *Adam Dunn 1B Derrek Lee CF Wily Mo Pena 3B Nomar Garciaparra 1B *Sean Casey RF *Jeromy Burnitz C Jason LaRue C Michael Barrett 3B Edwin Encarnacion LF Matt Murton RF Chris Denorfia SS #Neifi Perez P *Eric Milton P #Carlos Zambrano Just kidding about the title, we can hopefully agree that this is about the best lineup we can hope for with the current Cubs personnel. Don't forget to listen in on the Jaxx quest for the Southern League championship. It's currently 4-2 Jaxx in the top of the second, 3 of the runs coming in on a Brandon Sing homer off Dodger uber-prospect Chad Billingsley. Jae-kuk Ryu is going for the Jaxx. Go Cubs!!!

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Make it 6-2 Jaxx, Matt Craig hit a 2 run shot in the top of the 2nd.

Out of all of the Jaxx starting pitchers this season (Hill,Marmol, Marshall, Nolasco, Pinto, Ryu) which one do you think makes the best pro. My feeling is it will be Nolasco. His neutral style is made for Wrigley. If he has control of his pitches he could throw to the conditions. Also he has stayed pretty healthy which seems to be a mircle for pitcher's in this organization. The only place he struggled was at AAA and he was called up there more because they needed somebody than they felt he was enterly ready for it. Anyone else have any thoughts on the matter?

That's my Papa!

If houston can get 3 from florida I believe the cubs can get in with a 14-4 record. Both the phillies and Florida have 6 games each against ATL. If atl wins 4 out of 6 Florida has to go 6-6 in the other games and Philly has to go 7-5. Florida's other games are against Philly NYM and Washington. Philly's are Florida, Cin NYM and Was. I'll make a prediction:

IF We finish 14-4 taking 5 out of 7 from Houston we will at least tie for the wild card. Unless Florida sweeps houston.

Go Cubs
Give us something good to tell our future grandkids about!!!

NCFAN, you are absolutely delusional.

I'm having problems with the WTenn feed on the net tonight since the 5th ining...but can get the Jacksonville feed.

8th inning

Jaxx 7 Suns 4

No way Macias is a better hitter than Big Z.

So Baker lifts Z for Macias. Does he read statistics that say Z's VORP is 11 something while Macias's is -3.2. WHY DOES HE KEEP GETTING AT-BATS??

I just looked it up. Z was a better hitter last year according to VORP too.

Diamond Jaxx Win!! (lead best of 5 series, 1-0)

West Tenn
4 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 7 9 0
Jacksonville
2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 7 0

looks like Michael Barrett still needs to work on rundowns between home and 3rd...

Good fundamentals from Dusty's squad? Now that's an oxymoron.

Wouldn't this be a great place to have C-Pat bunt instead of Theriot?

That is one thing that C-Pat does decently.

And as I write this, Theriot strikes out looking.

And anyone want to question Dusty's decision to bunt in front of DLee so that they could walk Lee?

Matt Murton for President!!! Let's see 2 runs scored, 1 rbi, .354 average. See Dusty, he can play 9.

Cubs Win!!! In Dusty We Trusty!!!

One game under .500.

9-3 in Sept.

Go Cubs!!

good job for the bullpen tonight.

I just looked it up. Z was a better hitter last year according to VORP too.

You are missing the concept behind VORP. A player with a better VORP isn't always the better hitter. VORP is value over a replacement, at his position. A replacement pitcher and a replacement PH are different.

Look at EqA, Z's better this year, but Macias was last season. Vorps biggest concept is value, you really don't want to look at it when you are comparing hitting only.

Well, I certainly hope, though, that we can agree that the fact that Z has a better EqA this year than one of our utility/pinch-hit bats off the bench is pathetic even if he didn't manage to top the guy last year too.

Still tired from having seen the game tonight. Was cool to see Theriot's first AB. yeah he K'ed but he really battled after getting into an 0-2 hole. "quality process, result needs work."

I know somewhere there's a chart of odds of scoring, and that the odds say it's easier to score 1 run with 1st & 0 outs than 2nd & 1 out but 1st & 2nd + 1 out is still pretty good. How often does Walker GIDP? (Hmm... vs. Nomar...)

Merigoldbowling, I don't think Dusty would know VORP from a REIT, nor does he care to know. He just looks under BA and see that Macias is hitting .275 or something. But someone should introduce Dusty to OBP, which for Macias is also about .275 and therefore awful, and his slugging percentage, which I will SWAG for Macias at about .300, which is pitiful. But Dusty, and the other bigshot managers love the "flexubility" that a guy like Macias brings to the party. I wish the party would start without him.

Murton does appear to be such an offensive force that even Dusty and Hendry can't ignore or dismiss him any longer. I don't think he can keep slugging at this rate, but he has the pedigree to be a high average, high OBP, low strike out guy the Cubs so desperately need. Yes, it would be nice if he was faster and a better defender, but beggars can't be choosers, and he looks better, and will be a lot cheaper, then some of the stiffs on this year's free agent market. Putting Murton in left leaves only two outfield spots to fill. I still prefer Hairston as a super utility guy, altough I'm sure Hairston prefers to start.

Although playing Murton and Hairston everyday rather than Patterson makes the Cubs offense significantly better, I don't think it is enough to get the Cubs to 13-4 the rest of the way, especially with inconsistent 4th and 5th starters and Dusty still experimenting with the bullpen (see yesterday's game when he brought Mitre in rather than Wuertz or Williamson when Ohman got into trouble). This Cubs team had some significant problems this year and it is not better than it's record (lack of depth in starting rotation, offense from outfield, overall defense and fundamentals, and bullpen, in that order (I know Crunch will disagree with this, but I think the bullpen problems were mostly self-inflicted by Dusty's misuse of Hawkins, his abandonment of the Dempster as closer plan, his misuse of Remlinger as a lefty specialist (although Rem might just be finished), and using Fox 3 days in a row, the last time in a blow out, where he hurt his arm).

Looking back, you have to wonder how many games the Cubs might have won back in June, when Derek Lee just owned the league, and Dusty had the out machines, Neifi and Corey, batting in front of him 1-2. Joe Sheehan's article on the Cubs posted on preminium baseballprospectus web site on this showed some very ugly statistics where the Cubs lead-off hitters had a below .300 OBP during this period.

Overall, not one of Dusty's best years. On the the other hand the Dusty effect on players who are not loss causes (see Corey) still seems to be at work as the Cubs have had great offensive years from Lee, Ramirez and Barrett and good ones from Walker, Burnitz, Hairston and Neifi! (or as good as Neifi can have one.)

cubfaningermany wrote: "and Dusty still experimenting with the bullpen (see yesterday's game when he brought Mitre in rather than Wuertz or Williamson when Ohman got into trouble)"

I'm not defending Dusty's use of the bullpen overall, but bringing in Mitre with two outs and men on first and second wasn't a terrible call - Mitre is a ground ball pitcher to the extreme and could have easily gotten a force out, and unfortunately he threw a VERY bad pitch. Wuertz might have been a good choice too, but Williamson can't be counted on in this kind of situation yet, despite his history - he had given up 3 homers in just over 10 innings this season before this game.

TRB Tribune revenues down 0.9% in August (37.69 )

Consolidated revs for the period were $428 mln, down 0.9% from last year's $432 mln. Publishing revs in August were $298 mln, 1.9% lower than last year's $303 mln. Advertising revs increased 0.6% to $234 mln. Total advertising inches were down 4.5%, while preprint pieces increased 0.9%.

Here's an idea Tribsters...instead of working on your goal of a .500 record (snooze city) , put a winning ballclub on the field and you'll show some revenue growth in August.

Baseball America has an interview with Jeff Franceur of the Braves and he was asked who he's faced in the minors that throw better than some of the pitchers he's faced at the major league level.

He named 3 pitchers:

1) Ricky Nolasco, raved about his slider
2) Rich Hill
3) Bobby Jenks, now with the WSox

Cubster-
The Cubs are such a small part of the overall Tribune Company. Even if the Cubs won the WS their overall bottom line would barely move. That is aprt of the problem of a media conglomerate owning a sports team.

Last year the Tribune Company had 5.726 BILLION in sales. Do you think the "ONLY" $300 million or so that the Cubs bring in is making a big dent in their bottom line?

hey, im a big murton fan, too...but lets at least realize where he's putting the bat on the ball.

he's putting almost all of his good hits into RF.

he did have a hell of a homer to LF a few games ago that pretty much solidified his place in the minds of many.

in the 10th he put a ball into LF, though not exactly strong...he did a decent job on the pitch.

i dont think anyone's had a problem with how murton handles lefties or how he handles stuff middle/outside.

The Cup is Half Full:

I would like to THANK BARRY BONDS for not returning until after the Cubs took 3 out of 4 from the Giants!

The Cup is Half Full:

We're now entering a period where teams will be competing exclusively within their division.

The Cubs have moved into 5th place in the wildcard race behind Florida, Houston, Philadelphia, and Washington.

With a win today, the Cubs will continue their plodding pace towards a projected 83-79 record.

The wildcard winner is now projecting at 87-75.

BUT both Houston and Florida, the leaders, have .500 winning percentages within their own division this year while Philadelphia and and Washington have losing records.

If Houston and Florida continue their flat intra-division performance, the wildcard could be won (or tied) with 85 wins.

So, believe it or not, the Cubs are still in the wildcard race and will likely remain there until they lose 5 games or somebody else wins 86.

11 vs stl/hou...ow.

almost too stacked of a schedule vs. houston...not in tallent, but in amount of games the new scheduling crew gave chc/hou to close out the year. 7 games in 10 days vs. houston. hell of a way to end the season.

Houston is choking, not the Cubs. The Cubs are out of it, remember?

Advantage---> Cubs.

"So, believe it or not, the Cubs are still in the wildcard race"

Puff Puff Pass...

"So, believe it or not, the Cubs are still in the wildcard race"

Puff Puff Pass...

Homer Blanco is getting better at the plate and has all season had a cannon for an arm and superb defensive skills. He should start the majority of games.

"You are missing the concept behind VORP. A player with a better VORP isn't always the better hitter. VORP is value over a replacement, at his position. A replacement pitcher and a replacement PH are different."

I'm not so sure about that - I thought VORP was created with the idea of comparing players at different positions and in different years - it's all normalized. Different leagues and parks shouldn't matter either.

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  • I think you're very much overvaluing Schwarber if you think he can fetch Sale by himself. An unproven rookie with demonstrable offensive flaws he hasn't had the chance to show he can overcome and with no defensive upside will never fetch an ace of the quality of Sale in today's market where pitchers are fetching insane prices, especially with Sale's team friendly contract. You'd for sure need to throw in a pitching prospect in return at least.

    johann 26 min 36 sec ago view
  • best relievers in baseball tend to not be the best relievers for very long though...

    also, when you start just trading away guys for marginal benefits, that window will shrink. The window is easily through 2021, just have to look how long Rizzo is signed for and how long they have rights to Bryant, Russell and so on down the line.

    Can't say I'm too worried about the SP, they've done nothing but land guys on the cheap and on the expensive since they've arrived. TheJedi will figure that out.

    Rob G. 1 hour 3 min ago view
  • Not sure I agree with this logic. The Cubs are one of the best teams in baseball, they have spent heavily on the team over the past couple of seasons, have more hitting prospects than they have places for them to play (and more on the way), a clear weakness in the bullpen, and have a 1.5 year window with Arrieta (to say nothing of the likely declines of Lester and Lackey).

    Unless you think (maybe even if you do think) Schwarber is the next coming of Babe Ruth, I would certainly consider trading him if it brought back a couple of the best relief pitchers in baseball.

    Rob Richardson 3 hours 45 min ago view
  • Miggy was going to sit anyway with Lester starting.

    In related news, do any of the Cubs pitchers want to throw to Contreras?

    Rob G. 3 hours 57 min ago view
  • Only Russell and Miggy failed to reach base yesterday. Both sit today.

    billybucks 4 hours 6 min ago view
  • Trading Schwarber actually makes a lot of sense because his actual position is currently being taken by Anthony Rizzo, unless they vote in the DH this offseason.

    Trading him for a reliever is never going to happen though. I don't think you can trade Schwarber unless you get a CF'er for a few years (presume Fowler finds his multi-year deal next offseson) or a couple of high end young starters...or an established starter...a good one like Chris Sale.

    Rob G. 4 hours 17 min ago view
  • I don't see what the Yanks have that the Cubs need.

    Ryno 4 hours 22 min ago view
  • peter gammons on MLB network pushing the yanks/schwarber angle...says insiders from the yanks say brian cashman highly covets him.

    unless that conversation starts with a.miller (2/18m left on contract) i dunno how you even start that conversation given the "not trash, but no stars" state of the yanks minor league system.

    they got corner OF'r aaron judge, C gary sanchez, RHP james kaprielian's questionable elbow, RHP domingo acevedo...all interesting, none expected to impact the game like schwarber's power potential.

    crunch 4 hours 55 min ago view
  • Zo, Heyward, KB, Riz, Contreras (LF), Baez (SS), Szczur (CF), Ross, Lester

    Cubster 5 hours 3 min ago view
  • damn. low sample size blah blah whatever, but that slash got sneaky good. 10 hits, 4 walks, 2hr, 1 double through 39 PA...nice

    crunch 5 hours 23 min ago view
  • Buddy Ryan takes his place alongside George Allen as the great Bear head coaches who never were.

    VirginiaPhil 8 hours 18 min ago view
  • Well, at least he can still hit: Jake slashing .294/.368/.868. Forget hitting 8th -- he should hit 6th.

    billybucks 8 hours 36 min ago view
  • Curious to see today's lineup vs. a LHP: Ross needs to catch Lester, Joe likes Javy at 3B when Lester pitches. Heyward with back-to-back good games at the plate, and is actually hitting a little better against LHP (.247/.341) than RHP (.232/.321), although neither is much to write home about. But, tomorrow is an early day game, so some regulars will probably sit either today or tomorrow.

    Maybe Willson in LF, KB in RF and Almora in CF? If so, Albert Jr., assume every ball is yours.

    billybucks 8 hours 41 min ago view
  • "Pitching prospects not looking so hot"

    That reminds me that Lucas Giolito will start for the Nats tonight.

    VirginiaPhil 8 hours 44 min ago view
  • Well, there you go. Federowicz is one of the best at balls in the dirt.

    VirginiaPhil 9 hours 3 min ago view
  • Reds pitching meeting tomorrow:

    "Hey coach...maybe we should walk Bryant?"
    "No...keep challenging him with fastballs! What kind of man are you?! The Cubs walked Harper, and look what happened there! They got teased for it, by one of the Nat players! Is that what you want?"

    billybucks 19 hours 45 min ago view