Rule 5 Draft Update

The Toronto Blue Jays have designated RHP Randy Wells for assignment.

Wells was selected by the Jays from the Cubs AAA Iowa roster in the Major League phase of the MLB Rule 5 Draft last December, and although he pitched well enough in Spring Training to earn a slot on Toronto's Opening Day 25-man roster, he finally got caught in a numbers game

The Jays now have ten days to either trade or outright Wells, although they actually have to do something with him within eight days because it takes two days for a player to clear waivers.

If the Blue Jays trade Wells to another club, the new club assumes the Rule 5 obligations (player must remain on the club's 25-man roster for the entire 2008 season).

If the Jays can't find a trading partner, they will place him on Outright Assignment Waivers, and if he goes unclaimed, the Cubs will have the opportunity to reacquire Wells for $25,000 (half the Rule 5 Draft price). If the Cubs choose not to reclaim Wells, the Blue Jays get to keep him, and he is automatically outrighted to the minors.

But the Cubs historically always take back Rule 5 players if they get the chance (Dubois, Szuminski, Hagerty, Mateo, Holdzkom, and Campusano), so if they are given the opportunity to reacquire Wells, they almost certainly will.  

Also, RHP Tim Lahey was Designated for Assignment by the Phillies last Saturday, and the Phils will need to trade Lahey by this weekend or else place him on Outright Assignment Waivers.

Lahey was the #1 pick in the 2007 Rule 5 Draft, as the Tampa Bay Rays selected the big right-hander from the Minnesota Twins AAA Rochester club. Then immediately after the draft, the Rays sold the rights to Lahey to the Cubs for $100,000 (twice the Rule 5 Draft price).

The rubber-armed Lahey showed some flashes of upside in Spring Training, but he is still a bit raw (a converted catcher, he's only been pitching for two years), and the Cubs didn't have a spot for him on the 25-man roster. So he was placed on Outright Assignment Waivers two weeks ago, just before the start of the regular season.

Lahey was claimed off waivers by Philadelphia (with the Phillies assuming the Rule 5 obligations), but got into no games with the Phillies before being Designated for Assignment last Saturday to make room on the 25-man roster for Brad Lidge, who was reactivated from the DL at that time.

Just as with Wells and the Jays, the Phillies have 10 days to either trade or outright Lahey, but if they don't trade him, they have to place him on Outright Asignment Waivers within eight days, because it takes two days for a player to clear waivers. If Lahey does clear waivers this time, then he must be offered back to the Twins.

And if Lahey was in fact the tentative PTBNL in the Craig Monroe deal, then the Twins will certainly opt to reclaim Lahey, and if that happens, then he can be traded to the Cubs.

One thing to remember about MLB Rule 6 (the rule that governs the disposition of Rule 5 players who are not retained on a 25-man roster) is that if the player clears waivers and his original club takes him back, he is automatically outrighted back to the AAA club from which he was drafted. He is NOT placed on the club's 40-man roster.  

So if the Cubs do reclaim Wells from TOR and/or reacquire Lahey from MIN, both would initially be assigned outright to AAA Iowa, and would not have to be added to the Cubs 40-man roster. However, both Wells and Lahey (if they were to be reacquired by the Cubs) would be candidates for recall later this season, and both would likely be added to the Cubs 40-man roster by the end of the season.  

It would be nice to have arms like Wells and Lahey at Iowa to provide the Cubs some additional middle-relief depth for later in the season.

Comments

I'm more interested in Wells. Hopefully, we'll get him back.

Lahey and Wells should be welcome additions/re-acs to the organ-I-zation at this point.

Wood
Howry
Eyre
Lieber
Dempster

Are all free agents after this season. As the Sox's signings of the immortals Dotel/Linebrink show us. The cost of Relief pitching on the Free Agent market is beyond prohibitive at this point. I do imagine that Dempster and Howry will be Type A free agents at season's end. Wood will probably be a type B free agent. If enough of the Piggy,Ceda,Roquette,Mateo,Lahey,Wells,Petrick could make the jump next year. Then the cubs could theoretically get a HUGE boost of high level talent into the farm system next summer.

Of that list, I only see Howry as leaving against our wishes, to a team that may promise him a closer job. I think Wood will resign, I would not miss Eyre and Lieber much. And lord knows what the valuation for Dempster will be.

But you're right on the point--middle relievers are better made, not bought.

It would be good to have both. Both of them have potential. As a converted cacther, Lahey, it seems, is a victim of this rule. Too raw to be on a major league roster but too much minor league experience to be parked in AA or AAA. I hope his travels end soon, it cannot be good for his development to be shuttled around like this. Of the two, however, I think it's possibly Lahey could get claimed off waivers by yet another team.

Here is an interesting take on the Roberts non-trade:

"For all the names we heard bounced around, it doesn't appear there was ever a time when each club had its "best" offer, or even a viable offer, on the table and the other side said no."

http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columni...

looking at the utter nonsense speculative CRAP that came outta both the santana and bedard trade rumors i'm not really surprised.

the santana ones got so absurd and out-there that once he finally was traded people were screaming about how the twins got ripped off...then the whole "oh yeah, someone's gotta turn around and pay this guy 1/10th billion dollars to retain him after getting him" sunk in...

5th inning, Reds have just tied the game 1-1 on a Paul Bako double. Runners on 2nd and 3rd (Hatteburg) with one out. The pitcher (Harang) at the plate with hot hitting (4 HR) Corey Patterson due up next.

Dusty Baker calls for a squeeze bunt/double steal.

What was he thinking?

0-1, Harang misses the 83 mph slider down and away (0-2) and Hatteburg is a dead duck. Bako safe at third. Harang then strikes out to end the inning.

duh

Paul Bako's still in MLB? Wow.

i think that's called a squeeze. it's pretty common.

its harang at bat...a guy who's majority of BP that's taken seriously is bunting.

he's an automatic out...it's a manager's gamble to figure out how to use it.

i'd be willing to bet a lot of money the infield wasn't in or expecting it.

I stipulated that, stop being such a condescending asshat

stay on subject...

"OFF TOPIC: Someone, anyone, EXPLAIN THIS MOVE"

explained.

It's Dusty! Common sense need not apply. He obviously brought the dice with him to Cincinnati.

Sure doesn't. Dusty managed the Reds out of at least two runs today with some strange moves as noted by the broadcast crew.

In the end it didn't matter. The Reds won.

The Bako!

Dusty's greatest managerial success came at the same time, in the same city as Billy Beane was rising to prominence. You know it had to really dig at Dusty personally that some "schmuck" that wasn’t half the ballplayer he was. Was all the sudden stealing his Bay Area limelight. I always suspected that this is why Dusty did/does try so hard to go against the modern baseball grain so vigorously. I imagine Dusty was probably a better manager in the late 90's before he had such an old school baseball way of doing, axe to grind.

i still believe its players that make a team and the overpaid babysitter is just a guy.

i dont think dusty tried hard to go against the grain, its just that the limelight in the media of the "new kinda baseball" goes against what dustbag's always done.

for all the talk of pitchers he ruined...he sent 1 to surgery his tenure in SF, a reliever.

for all the talk of kids he didnt play...you dont hear much about the ones he did play and the ones that didnt that went on to play regularly...well, you dont hear much about them either cuz most never did.

for all the talk about elderly men in suits who dont even pick up a bat or ball...meh...

In San Fran you may have a point. Sabean has never really gotten around to building a farm system. In Chicago though. It seemed like Hendry/McFail were always building teams around "Dusty guys". Fast,versitile,good bunting middling vets. Maybe if Dusty were a little more open to playing kids. We would have a better idea of what kind of future was in store for the Cedeno's, Theriot's,Murton's of the world.

dusty's the guy who actually played murton. he got 1/2 the AB's last year and is in AAA this year.

dusty's the guy who "let theriot in" at the end of his tenure and besides, its theriot...he hits singles, he occasionally walks, he plays average D...he's "good enough"

and cedeno...dusty played him a full season.

i just don't get all the piling on dustbag that don't hold up to history. his career is full of criticism that just don't add up looking at results.

hell, i'm glad he's gone, but he don't deserve most of the hell he gets.

In all fairness. None of those things really happen if Hendry didnt take Hollandsworth,Neifi,walker,Hairston and Tony Womack out of the equation.

hendry put those guys in the equation.

hell, hairston was actually a bright spot on the club compared to the production of the rest aside from some baserunning. if todd "ow" walker could have managed to not miss 2 months a year that would helped.

when you got a choice between neifi, bynum, and cedeno you're never gonna win as a manger. he played "the kid" and still "lost". he could play a vet and still lose the mental game of the fans, too. its flavors of suck...

If Hairston was a bright spot then Walker was a star. Virtually same nubmer of at-bats in 2005 and Walker's OPS+ was 112, compared to Hairston's 82. And what I remember most about Hairston was that he thought he was fast but wasn't. 8 SB with 9 CS is atrocious.

End o'subject?

Cubs fans still talkin' about Dusty, funny shit!!! Hey guys move on, you got the next greatest old school manager at the helm right now...:)

I agree with you, at least on the Dusty part.

Dusty was the Cubs' manage 2 years ago. I am not really sure how he is relevant to the Cubs now, unless the Cubs are actually playing the Reds.

Getting updates of Dusty's boneheadedness is getting old.

God, I'm sick of hearing about Dusty f'ing Baker. I dislike him as much as the next Cubs fan, but I'm going to stab myself in the eye with a spork if I keep reading analysis of every move he makes. Can we at least save that for when we're actually playing his team?

our weather widget says 30% chance of rain

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Rain-out, or rain-shortened, wouldn't be the worst thing after a 15 inning game where you used all of your good relievers.

Would like to have a whack at Matt Morris, though.

Maybe we can all agree that Dusty did the monster managerial suck of all time during the playoffs vs. the Marlins. My wife still remembers me screaming at the TV screen, pleading with Dusty to please go out to the farkin' mound and calm Prior down (not to mention telling Alou to keep his panties from twisting into a knot as well). You know, do something of value in that situation, which is what would usually be expected from a decent manager in a critical moment. But Dusty's ass stayed planted to the bench - unreal. His apologists came out in droves after that game, intimating that hey, you can only go with the players you have, and they're professionals and should be able to figure it out for themselves - but what the heck is a manager's job in the end?

I personally can never forgive batting Neifi 2nd becasue he was a "contact guy" --- a contact guy who had one of the worst OBPs in baseball..

However -- Dusty did manage a team that had Simon/Karros at first base (neither did anything afterwards), was mediocre at 2B, SS and catcher and had a nothing bullpen to within 5 outs of the WS. Best anyone has done in a long time.

Billy,
Come on man, we all know we won in spite of Dusty and Hendry deserves the kudos. Get it straight man!!! :)

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  • Maybe it's to get him some game action. He's only pitched for the Cubs once in the last 10 days. I don't really care much about him going down since he's sucked when up here.

    I really want Rivero to be called up.

    chitownmvp01 3 min 53 sec ago view
  • CHITOWNMVP01: It is indeed odd that the Cubs did not just wait one more day to recall LaStella.

    As far as Spencer Patton is concerned...

    Arizona Phil 12 min 32 sec ago view
  • Why didn't they wait until tomorrow to call up TLS? Don't they have to wait 10 days to bring Patton back up now?

    chitownmvp01 33 min 32 sec ago view
  • Cubs assigned to Mesa Solar Sox (AFL):

    Victor Caratini, C
    James Farris, RHRP
    Ian Happ, 2B-OF
    Eloy Jimenez, OF
    Ryan McNeil, RHRP
    Steve Perakslis, RHRP
    Duane Underwood Jr, RHSP

    Brian Lawrence, Pitching Coach

    Jimenez, Happ, Caratini and Underwood are among the Cubs Top 10 Prospects, and playing in the AFL should help speed their development.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 7 min ago view
  • Outstanding.

    Jackstraw 1 hour 19 min ago view
  • So presuming he remains on the MLB Active List for the balance of the MLB regular season, Tommy LaStella will be at 2+102 MLB Service Time at the end of the season, far short of what he would have needed to accrue to have a chance at "Super Two" status post-2016. (Even if he had remained on the MLB Active List for the entire season and finished at 2+124 MLB Service Time, he still would have only been "on the bubble" for possible "Super Two" status post-2016).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 55 min ago view
  • I don't know about the defensive part of the equation, the fact all the Cubs pitchers are so ahead of their FIP makes me think it's a lot more defense than anything special Hendricks is doing.

    Rob G. 1 hour 59 min ago view
  • Thanks, jacos! I love a good Alice Cooper group performance video -- especially when it corresponds with a shrinking, division-clinching magic number!

    JoePepitone 1 hour 59 min ago view
  • TLS up and playing second today. Spencer Patton to Iowa to make room.

    Rob Richardson 2 hours 33 min ago view
  • Yeah that article describes what I said in my other post about WAR. BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is a better predictor of future performance.

    I also get what you mean by FIP being independent of luck but my point is all the soft contact Hendricks gives up negates a lot of that luck and defense aspect. In other words I believe he could pitch in front of any defense and have similar #s because for the most part he isn't giving up the screaming liners or hard hit liners to the gap.

    johann 2 hours 37 min ago view
  • Down on the farm:

    "Dealin'" Cease with another good outing for Eugene. Last 4 outings: 16IP, 1ER 29K. But, 10BB. Throw strikes, kid.

    Candelario is killing it at Iowa after struggling at AA: .320/.406/.941 in 241AB. At age 22. Where the heck to put him next year?

    billybucks 3 hours 40 min ago view
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    billybucks 3 hours 51 min ago view
  • For a start:

    "lets" should be "let's".

    billybucks 3 hours 52 min ago view
  • FYI: Here's a good link explaining the differences in pitching WAR between Fangraphs and Basebell Reference.

    http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2012/8/28/3273844/which-war-works-best-pitc...

    Rob G. 4 hours 42 min ago view
  • ERA is just FIP with defense and luck. That being said if Hendricks gets his ERA under 2.00, he may have a legit shot.

    That all being said I was looking at Fangraphs WAR and I should have been looking at Basebell Reference WAR because more voters use that. My bad and happy to admit my mistake unlike some people around here that shall not be named (just kidding CRUNCH, CRUNCH, CRUNCH!)

    Rob G. 4 hours 46 min ago view
  • Yes. That is something up with which we will not put.

    fullykräusened 5 hours 56 min ago view