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Game 19 Thread / Mets @ Cubs (1 of 2)

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SP John Maine
 SP
Carlos Zambrano
  1-1, 3.78, 10 K, 12 BB
2-1, 3.04, 23 K, 3 BB
       
SS
 #Jose Reyes
 CF
 Reed Johnson
2B
 #Luis Castillo 2B
 *Mike Fontenot
3B
 David Wright 1B
Derrek Lee
CF
 #Carlos Beltran
3B
Aramis Ramirez
1B
 *Carlos Delgado
 RF
*Kosuke Fukudome
RF
 *Ryan Church LF
 Mark DeRosa
C
 #Raul Casanova
 C Geovany Soto
LF
 *Endy Chavez SS
 Ronny Cedeno
P
 John Maine
 P #Carlos Zambrano

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first-place Chicago Cubs--has a nice ring to it, don't you think?--are coming off a weekend drubbing of the Pirates, two games in which they scored 26 runs, amassed 30 hits, and still required seven innings of duty from their busy bullpen.

Maybe Zambrano can provide a rest. As pointed out at mlb.com, four of the Mets' big bats--Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, and Wright--are a combined 8-for-47 lifetime against Carlos. Doesn't matter; they still scare the crap out of me.

The Mets (10-7) had a five-game winning streak snapped Sunday night at Philadelphia. (I wonder if Ron Santo will give "Beltran" the official Spanish flourish, the way Jon Miller did on the ESPN broadcast--"bel-TRON.")

Tonight's Met starter, Maine, has made two previous starts at Wrigley and been tagged for 6 runs in 3 2/3 IP.

And while we're at it...Rob G. is a guest poster at Mets Today, offering the enemy an inside look at the Cubs.

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Submitted by Chifan on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:28 pm

I thought Lou said he would get him in on Monday over the weekend. I guess he hasnt graduated from Lou's hitting school/doghouse.

Submitted by Charlie on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:35 pm

So, why are Felix Pie and Matt Murton in the majors? Don't Sam Fuld and Jake Fox make more sense as 4th outfielder/defensive replacement/pinch runner and righty pinch hitter (for a couple more weeks)? Those are the guys who are looking at a future as bench players. Murton and Pie should be getting their ABs and improving their approaches, in the minor leagues if Lou isn't going to play them in the majors. Am I just completely lost, or is it Lou who is confused about how to handle the youngish guys?

Submitted by Charlie on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:49 pm

Will Pie finally get to start a game now? That swing was sweet. Might as well sit Might Mike, whom I am a big fan of, if he's not going to hit. DeRo back to 2nd, Pie in center, and Murton or (more likely) Johnson in LF. How 'bout that Cedeno? Nice ABs from Fukie and Ronny. Ronny gets a fastball up and in, the pitch that dominated him in the second half of 2006, and he lines it right back up the middle, just like the book tells you to do.

Submitted by Fireball on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:01 pm

I was a little worried that they might be a little too laid back from beating up the Pittsburgh Punching Bags this past weekend, but this was a good win!

Submitted by Jordan on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:02 pm

Seriously, I mentioned this in a game thread a few days ago, but I think Cedeno is learning the game...he's young, and I want to see him continue to develop. I'm really glad we didn't give up on him last year. I'm not saying this just in light of his great AB in the 8th today. I said it a few days ago, he could really start to play like he is a real ML SS. Pie's swing was really sweet. I'd like to see him keep his swing that short. He'll rake if he does. Nice AB by both of them.

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Submitted by Andrew on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:23 pm

More agreement here. I'm not going to get too hyped on Cedeno yet as it's still really early, but he does seem to get it more this year, showing discipline and fouling off pitches he would have missed last year. As for Pie, I can only hope that hitting a three-run dinger using the shorter swing that Piniella's apparently been advocating will give him some confidence to keep using it. Plus, it was a bit of a confidence show that Piniella ran Pie out there for that AB. I know he was the only lefty still on the bench, but getting the nod over the more accomplished Murton is a nice show of confidence.

Submitted by JoePepitone on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:09 pm

Seeing the Cedeno and Pie at bats just felt good. Caveat: It's only one game, but this is the kind of stuff you get with pennant winning teams -- contributions from up and down the line-up and the bench. Happy afterglow right now.

Submitted by billybucks on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:20 pm

Zambrano-Marmol-Wood. Beautiful. Very nice homestand. Let's see if Theodore can get his stuff together tomorrow and finish this thing off in style. I dunno -- maybe Lou knows what he's doing with Pie?

Submitted by WISCGRAD on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:04 pm

I'm sure others felt the same way that I did when we got the bases loaded with nobody out and DeRosa and Soto went down. In previous years that rally ends right there. 5 runs later the game was in the bag.

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo on Mon, 04/21/2008 - 04:19 pm

Watching Fuku foul off pitch after pitch and then finally single to the opposite field was one of my favorite ABs of the young season. Then came Ronny Cedeno's AB and might have surpassed it. I just don't get how Fuku doesn't whiff on every pitch on the outer half. It looks like he pulls so far off the ball, but he consistently manages to get a piece of almost every pitch. He must drive opposing pitchers fucking bonkers.

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Submitted by djchi on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:47 am

If you go back and watch the GameTrax thing on ESPN (and I know it ain't perfectly accurate), they called strike two on him on a pitch about three inches off the plate. Now Fukudome starts watching the outside corner a bit more closely. As the sequence continues, Heilman throws him three more pitches in nearly the same spot (plus some others), all outside according to GameTrax, and all fouled off. Heilman finally gets one back to the outside corner and Fukudome knocks it into left field. Very cool.

Submitted by George Altman on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:25 am

Here were the Cubs OPS going into tonight's game: Johnson, cf .835 Theriot, ss .893 Lee, 1b 1.133 Ramirez, 3b .915 Fukudome, rf .902 DeRosa, lf .975 Soto, c 1.006 Cedeno, 2b .885 Blanco, c .718 Ward, ph .686 Fontenot, 2b .613 Pie, cf .343 Murton, of .250 For all you Theriot-haters: his line - .338/.408/.485 Cubs pitchers Opponents BA: Zambrano .262 Lilly .309 Hill .204 Marquis .290 Dempster .169 Wood .147 Marmol .167 Hart .208 Wuertz .238 Obviously, it's only 18 games into the season and 6 wins against PGH, but it's not hard to see why they're 12-6 (now 13-6).

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Submitted by Andrew on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:21 am

Terribly boring questions, but it was interesting to hear how well Samardzija handled himself. He seemed to know what he needs to work on (control, secondary pitches) and articulated himself well. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

Submitted by Thisistheyear on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:06 am

I was at the game tonight and really liked what I saw from nearly everyone in the lineup; great to see Pie's AB. Perhaps the best part about it was that he took the first two pitches; when have we ever seen Pie be that patient? The one exception for the Cubs right now is Mike Fontenot. I honestly don't think he has what it takes to be a big leaguer. Lou needs to realize that just because he hits left-handed doesn't mean he will help the Cubs win. I have not seen him hit a ball hard in the last week since Soriano went down and he has been playing. The Cubs are so much stronger (even without another left-handed bat) with DeRo at second and Murton in left (obviously until #12 comes back), or with Pie in Center, DeRo at second and Reed in left. At least if Pie isn't hitting (which hopefully he turns this thing around now) he is still a significant defensive upgrade in center, whereas Fontenot is not over DeRo. I see no reason why Fontenot should be playing other than his left-handed bat.

Submitted by SJS_Kenosha on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:31 am

I know The Riot is working a kink out in his back, but if when he comes back and Cedeno continues to show maturity at the plate, am I the only one thinking that a Cedeno/The Riot DP combo would work out well?

Submitted by The E-Man on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:36 am

In case you haven't caught this yet, I thought this was a nice reverse spin on the exact thing us Cub fans have been wondering on how our team stacks up against the "contenders" - or as some of you say - "the good teams". Today's New York Times headline: "Playing a Top Team, the Mets Fall Short" Pretty damn refreshing to read this from a NY sportswriter perspective - at least for one day, anyway - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/sports/baseball/22mets.html?_r=2&ref=…

Submitted by Dmac on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:31 am

Z's quote in today's Trib makes me a little giddy as well: "Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." Holy Cats, is this the mature and professional hurler we all thought Z would become, but wondered if he'd ever make it? Not trying to blow everyone away, keeping runners off the bases, mixing up his pitches, etc. He also mentioned actually listening to Maddux previously -who knew he was paying attention? Please keep pounding those bananas, Carlos.

Submitted by Rob Richardson on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:28 am

Oh Joe: "Zach (OKC): When Soriano comes back, do you think he will go directly to lead off or do you think the scrappy Reed Johnson should hold down that spot? Thanks! Joe Morgan: (10:34 AM ET ) Interesting question. I think he will end up leading off again. Johnson is playing well now, but can he do it all season? There are reasons why certain guys are extra men most of their careers. I think eventually Soriano will take back the lead off spot." While Johnson may not hit in the lead off the rest of the season, it will not be because he has been considered an extra man most of his career. Excluding 2007 (when he was injured) Johnson averaged 133 games played and 452 AB in Toronto.

Submitted by MikeC on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:22 am

I am not a fan of Pie's abilities to hit in the majors but I like that Lou Pinella is doing stuff behind the scenes to hopefully get Pie up to speed. Dusty had a famous quote where he said he doesn't have time to teach in the majors. Players need to come ready to play, take that in context with what Lou is trying to do... Before the game, Piniella was asked why the Cubs don't correct Pie's problems at Triple-A Iowa if he's not going to start. "Look, we understand that this is not an easy thing," Piniella said. "But you've got to do it somewhere, and he's here with us now and we're going to work with him and hope that it catches on. We're not getting too drastic with the changes. We're trying to stay as elementary as possible—to weight-shift a little more and get off his backside so he can have a better pass at the ball, stay in the strike zone a little longer and get to more pitches." Nice to have a real manager.

Submitted by Dmac on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 04:18 am

Pie's on something like his 4th hitting coach at this level, not counting Lou presently - maybe having the manager personally coach you will be the key for him. Some may not remember that Frey helped Sandberg become more of a power hitter after working with him a bit - although Ryno had already figured out to hit major league pitching at that point. The kid was so excited after his homer yesterday, how could anyone not be rooting for him?

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