NL Central Smackdown : Right Fielders

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I'll save the left fielders for Monday since it's a pretty and talented group. Your right--field warriors after the break...

Player 3-Year Warp-3 Average
3 Year Warp-3 Projection
Rob's Ranking
Kosuke Fukudome N/A 3.37 2
Corey Hart 4.5 (2 years) 5.6 1
Skip Schumaker 1.5 (1 year) 1.43 6
Ryan Ludwick 2.7 (1 year) 1.97 6
Hunter Pence 6.4 (1 year) 5.43 4
Ken Griffey Jr. 4.47 1.77 3
Xavier Nady 2.63 1.93 5


 

 

 

 

 

 


The Justification: I think I sold Hunter Pence short on this one before I looked at the numbers. I just thought he was more useful as a center fielder and a little hacktastic for my tastes. Griffey Jr. probably deserves the top spot as a lifetime achievement award and if you think he can stay healthy, he probably still deserves it. Honestly, any of the top four are probably worth the top spot and when Rick Ankiel gets shifted back here, he'll make it even a little more interesting. But I took Hart for now, a rather successful 2007 campaign and youth on his side. I just didn't know what to expect out of Fukudome, and while the early returns are fantastic, he won't be able to keep his offensive numbers up averaging a homer a month. Nady's had a nice start to the season, but we all know he'll fade and the Cards platoon is just a placeholder until Colby Rasmus is ready and Ankiel gets shifted back.

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Comments

This is very tough; really a close grouping and alot of moving parts.

I ranked as the following:

Fukudome (homer vote, but he is a 4-tool player)
Hart (slow start though)
Nady
Pence (would be higher, except for slow start; based on last year, he could be #1)
Griffey (Fading fast)
Cards (They are hitting great, but I hate platoons)

Tough one for me. I went Fukudome, partly out of homerism, then Pence, Hart, Nady, Cards, and Griffey.

I take Hart over the lot at this point, then Fuku, Pence, Griffey, Nady, Cards. Hart is young and is already a pretty complete hitter, plus I think he handles CF at least as well as Pence and Fuku. Pence has the best chance of being a real superstar, but he also seems most likely to flop due to his hacktastic approach. Fuku gets second based on defense and plate discipline. Griffey would be tops if he weren't such an injury risk and if he weren't so old and more expensive than the rest.

Nady doesn't seem all that valuable any more, but maybe that's just me.

is his lack of power concerning to anyone else? The bill of goods we got when he was signed was that he'd be good for at least 15 and probably 20 homers a year. He's got good gap power but the weight shift in his swing, in my mind, keeps him from putting more power in his swing. Anyway, I hope he starts hitting for a bit more power soon, as we need it out of our #5 hitter.

I'd be more concerned if he wasn't on pace to hit 50+ doubles. I'll take 50 doubles and a .400+ OBP out of my 5th hitter any day, especially when he has DeRosa and Soto hitting behind him.

Yep. Not concerned. There are other ways to win besides Chadball.

Hey! 50 doubles is Chadball through and through!

50 doubles isn't Chadball!

No steroids, no homeruns, no watching the ball exit the park followed by cocky strutting around the bases. No boombox in the locker room annoying everyone else.

I think Fuku is a few hat size short of Chadball.

Sorry pal, but I'm the authority on Chadball. And 50 doubles is Chadball material. Chad likey the slugging percentage. last year when DLee wasn't hitting the ball over the fence but bouncing them off of it, I was totally ok with that. Walks and singles as your offensive set is not Chadball but Mark Grace was.

personally, i didnt expect more than 15-20 homers at best.

however, i do/did expect him to get 40-50 doubles.

i expected him to K 100-120 times and though i knew he'd walk im personally impressed by how many so early.

to make a sloppy comparison...i pretty much expect mark grace in his prime at the plate (with more Ks and a touch more speed).

Vorare: Exactly! Soto hitting behind Fuku is brilliant, and I hope it continues.

Fuku is still adjusting to a lot of pitching he has never seen, and his contact style is unique. He pulls off the ball much more with two strikes on him. He gets into the two-strike situation because he is taking pitches in an attempt to see more (whether that is patience or just feeling out the pitcher, I don't know). The great thing is that he isn't afraid to hit with two strikes, and he's a damn good hitter in that situation. He is Ichiro with more power, and a slightly lower average due to his slower top speed. I see Ichiro leg out a lot of those infield singles which drives his average from the .320-.330 range to the rarefied air he has been privy to the last few seasons.

Identical to Rob's. A year or two ago Jr might have been top of the list, but not now.

I'm reading over other people's votes and I feel I should say it really pained me to vote Corey Hart first. He's a douche.

Me too, though I have nothing against Hart personally, I just can't stand the fact he plays for the Brewers. Is there some more specific reason you call him a "douche"?

wonder what theyre working on with him...

another day and no play.

a trade?

whoops.

He's in there tonite, batting third.

2 for 2 as the DH.

weird...they had Kroeger DH as the DH, now its murton on milb.com

sweet.

Gagne blows a two-run lead in the ninth in Houston to send it into extras. Go 'Stros.

this time a 6-4 lead in HOU. I guess the Brewers closer will be David Riske pretty soon.

A. Soriano lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
K. Fukudome rf
M. DeRosa 3b
G. Soto c
M. Fontenot 2b
R. Johnson cf
J. Marquis p

because with this line-up it makes alot of sense, with Reed's good OBP and Marquis being a solid hitter.

the lineup's full of ob% guys...why let the pitcher move up a slot to replace a far better hitter?

and though i can understand not using cedeno today the guy should get some starting time one day...maybe.

...AND END THIS SORIANO BATTING 1ST CRAP. and stuff...

we got a RBI guy missing (aram) and we got a powerhitter looking to cash in the 7/8/9 hitters.

I think he has more hits today aganist Santana and the NLDS last year then he did his entire Cubs career.

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Chicago Bears running back Cedric Benson failed a sobriety test while operating a 30-foot boat, then resisted arrest before being hit with pepper spray and dragged ashore by officers.

woo.

Well I thought the Bears had a foolproof protocol for this kind of situation...

Why didn't he just dive into the water, dial 911 and tell the police that his boat was stolen?

Jeez.

with Prince trying to get a foul pop-up.

to complete the sweep of the Brew Crew.

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  • the factual correction on your mistakes on your post that I barely bothered to read the first time because it had nothing to do with anything I wanted to talk about is indeed a sign of my degenerative brain condition. I appreciate the safety tip and will be looking into with extreme urgency now.

    Rob G. 8 min 25 sec ago view
  • it took you 4 posts to get to this?

    have you checked the batteries in your carbon monoxide detector?

    #droppingknowledge #savinglives

    crunch 33 min 2 sec ago view
  • Fwiw, Billy Hamilton's actual WAR numbers that relate to the ones that I posted for Mike Trout are:

    • 2014: 2.5
    • 2015: 1.0
    • 2016: 2.6

    But by all means #crunchsplain on the stupidity of WAR while exaggerating your points. I can't wait to read more.

    Rob G. 38 min 20 sec ago view
  • jacos 38 min 29 sec ago view
  • *stroking intensifies*

    crunch 41 min 58 sec ago view
  • #crunchsplaining

    Thanks for the awesome give and take today and for the 535 words you spilled filling in all the gaps that I woefully neglected. We're all a little wiser and better for it. I look forward to your play-by-play summary later in the comments.

    Rob G. 48 min 27 sec ago view
  • it was about a post comparing players based on WAR...and comparing WAR values of a CF to a slew of other players...a post that you made...and i made a comment...that talked about D weighting of WAR...and comparinging WAR values of a CF to a slew of other players...etc etc...

    hell, we didn't even get in deep. i didn't even involve UZR or FIP versions and their strengths/weaknesses...or position mandated "handicapping" in points...etc.

    let's not talk about that...cool, fine, awesome. context sucks. san dimas highschool football rules.

    *shrug*

    crunch 56 min 22 sec ago view
  • Ha

    jacos 1 hour 12 min ago view
  • Thanks for shining a light on this very important topic and steering it away from the frivolity that was the awesomenes of Mike Trout, but moreso on the foolishness of WAR as a metric to judge the value of center fielders. We're all a little wiser now and your contributions are invaluable to this community and to America's pastime. God Bless!

    Rob G. 1 hour 34 min ago view
  • so...what's chan-yong lim up to these days?

    http://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1088746-korean-le...

    oh...

    crunch 2 hours 59 min ago view
  • yes, those hamilton WAR numbers are very reasonable. i'm on your side now based on that biting commentary and reasoning of why he's a 3.5-ish WAR player over a 600 PA season.

    those numbers are obviously well deserved and worthy of no scrutiny...none at all. no issue.

    CF D is rarer than a jon lester pickoff at 2nd...totally irreplaceable...no way in hell there's good D, low/no-hitting CF's in anyone's system that could do what hamilton is doing. guys like this don't exist...you get like, 2-3 at any given time in history.

    crunch 3 hours 19 min ago view
  • Please do not discuss War here. I think the Cub Reporter should be politics free.

    But yes, whether you support War or Peace...Mike Trout is ridiculously consistent and good.

    blockhead25 5 hours 37 min ago view
  • ^^^#WARTruther

    Rob G. 5 hours 49 min ago view
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    "One scout told ESPN.com last week that Tebow's swing is so long it might "take out the front row." That's not a good thing."

    crunch 8 hours 20 min ago view
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    QuietMan 8 hours 39 min ago view
  • CF WAR is ridiculous...billy hamilton is pulling a 3.0 WAR somehow...and managed a 2.0 WAR last year (even though he missed a month of the season)...and a 3.7 WAR in 2014.

    yeah, a lot depends on how one is doing relative to others at a given position, but WAR is common used (right or wrong) as a blanket comparing all kinds of players.

    trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo.

    crunch 8 hours 45 min ago view