An Argument in Support of Signing Jim Edmonds: It's Driving Cardinals Fans Crazy

From Bernie Miklasz, writing in Thursday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

The idea of the greatest center fielder in Cardinals history stumbling in wobbly pursuit of balls hit over his head is depressing. The reality that Jimmy will be teammates with Carlos Zambrano — who plunked him twice in a raucous game at Wrigley back in 2004 — makes no sense...

"He feels like he has something left to give this game," Cardinals outfielder Skip Schumaker said. "I'm happy for him. I still think he can play. I don't think he was ready to hang it up yet."

And then Schumaker said something that stings:

"I think he could have picked a few different teams he could have played for."
That's right, Jimmy Baseball wanted to be a Cub.
He didn't have to be a Cub — he volunteered...

I asked my pal Will Leitch, the editor of deadspin.com and a passionate but reasonable lifelong Cardinals fan.
"I don't think Jim understands what this means," Leitch said. "By signing with the Cubs he may be thinking he's getting back at Cardinals management. But the fans who loved him — we're the ones who will feel this. The fan base is forever."

So let's move ahead to July 4 (when the Cubs will open a three-game series in St. Louis) ...

"Can we really give Edmonds a standing ovation when he's wearing a Cubs uniform? Can we really do that? I'm not sure we can," Leitch said. "Any other uniform, sure. It's easy. But THAT uniform?
"And if we do give him a standing ovation, he'd better strike out and sit down."

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Welcome to the Cubs! Once you arrive at the game tomorrow, please proceed directly to the corner of Clark and Addison, take down your pants, and let all the Cubs fans punch you in the nuts.

Best of luck,
TCR

Let's not get crazy here. This isn't Lance Berkman.

Classic Rob!

"Nuts on Clark"

*snark*

it keeps getting more classic.

Let's be honest. Forget the insightful commentary or the quality writing. In reality, it's Rob's funny references to testicular assault that keeps us coming back.

Well done Rob. Still laughing...

what about the fun part...

where you think he'll actually bat?

soriano/theriot/dlee/aram/fuku/soto/edmonds/derosa is my guess.

and btw, i still like the idea of giving the guy a contract...can he possibly do worse than pie?

i dont think pie's junk but he's a bit overmatched and he's not going to get his chance to play out of it. he don't even get the split starts a good chunk of the time.

btw...is ronnie cedeno dead?

"...can he possibly do worse than pie?"

Uh, yes. For a team that has had no trouble scoring runs, I'll take the superior glove, speed, arm, and upside of Pie, thanks. Hell, I'd rather have Jock Jones. I'm just hoping the Frosted Dome CF'er gets his final concussion against the bricks so we can get back to our regulary scheduled program.

Edmonds to wear helmet: AP, Edmonds will be wearing a helmet as he roams CF in Wrigley...

it seems what's wrong with rich hill is really obvious and easy to fix.

the bad news is it's lou and hill's fault, but mostly it's all in hill's mind.

"Most of the blame falls on Hill's shoulders, but Lou Piniella's tough-love strategy is also partly responsible for his demise. Twice Hill pitched on eight days rest, something that would disrupt any pitcher's rhythm and routine. And even when he did take the mound, the quick hook always loomed. Clearly, Lou's unsweetened approach bruised the 29-year-old's fragile ego."

...

"Outwardly, Hill has appeared frustrated, exhausted and dejected, but he refuses to accept the problem is mental. Instead, he says his troubles are the result of a flawed delivery."

WHAT A LAZY BUM.

"ALL" HE HAS TO IS ACCEPT THE ISSUE IS MENTAL. TAKE A PILL, SEE A SHRINK ABOUT THE FRAGILE EGO, AND *BAM* 3.00ERA BALL, BABY!!!! CONTROL ISSUES??? WHATEVER, PSYCHOS...THIS IS RICH "WELL ADJUSTED" HILL COMING AT YOU!!!

and clearly lou just derailed the kid's career giving him 3 extra days off a couple times. yeah, me and a few others thought it was weird, but wow...we didn't know it was detrimental to hill's career and the 08 cubs on whole. thanks for ruining rich hill lou and...uh...rich hill! jerks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/mlb/news?slug=be-n...

a football helmet?

it's prescribed by his doctor, concussion precautions.

Edmonds career vs Maddux:

AB 38, H 10, HR 2, BB 1, SO 8, GIDP 1

BA .263, OBP .282, SLG .500

'FWIW' - A local [Des Moines] radio station talked @ some length yesterday w/ WGN's Dave Kaplan. Besides hammering on the Edmonds is anxious to jam a bat up the Redbirds' tail feathers angle, he declared that Pie is typically the last to arrive @ the ballpark & has acquired a rep as a lover of the Chicago nightlife, to the detriment of both his game & his standing in the Cubs' clubhouse; said he has a bad case of what the vets call, 'big league-itis'...

Um, and how would Kaplan know that? There's gotta be a mole in the clubhouse -- clearly Pie has annoyed the wrong guys.

Pie must have started hanging out with Ronny Cedeno who was getting the same reputation last year.

Interesting news Wellman......wait I thought Soriano was the egotistic, selfish, lolly gagging latin? Who would of thought it was Felix Pie!

I guess it was easy to confuse the two....

Well, Soriano and Pie are buddies! They probably party together.

Haha funny you should say that, I actually saw Pie and Soriano together at a club called Funk (rush and division) last summer. They had the next day off, but it was still in the heart of the race. They were with four women in a roped off area. But I did take a leek right next to Pie. I was excited to see them until I realized that they were out drinking in the middle of the season.

But I did take a leek right next to Pie. I was excited to see them
until I realized that they were out drinking in the middle of the
season.

Mickey Mantle disapproves

What did Pie do when you gave him the leek?

"But I did take a leek right next to Pie."

What are they doing serving leeks at a Rush Street bar?

With Lou and Hendry talking about getting a power lefty to bat 5th, does anybody else think that if Edmonds even hits a little we'll eventually see Fukudome batting 2nd or 3rd and Edmonds batting 5th or 6th?

I wouldn't really mind Fukudome batting leadoff, but we all know Soriano isn't leaving that spot (and has been killing the ball lately), and I seriously doubt that Edmonds can hit well enough to bat higher than 6th this year. He'd make sense as our 8th place hitter right now.

Pie and Cedeno were both young when they got their first real taste of Chicago. Maybe the Cubs should employ chaperons for their rookies under the age of 25.

Jim Edmonds as a Cub reminds me of watching Jim McMahon as a Packer.

It will always be weird...and almost as punky.

Ryan Braun 8/45

http://tinyurl.com/43qynf

Wait... 8? As in eight? Not like 4 or 5?

Wow. Gotta think that's a pretty good deal for Dougy.

Cubs and Cardinals fans haven't put their differences aside and come together like this since Darryl Kile didn't wake up that morning in 2002.

Holy shit. Didn't expect that one. Ruz, didn't you see the South Park episode, "Jared Has AIDS"? It takes 22.3 years for a tragedy to become hilarious.

Hey, alright! That means pretty soon we'll be able to talk about how hilarious it was when that ball went through Buckner's legs.

The clock is ticking on open season for Tiananmen Square jokes.

Q: What did the Chinese man say to the tank?

A: What man? What tank? Please come with us.

Sure, Edmonds is a tool and his slow-down-then-dive technique of flyball catching is contrived, but the moment he puts on the Cubs uniform, guess what, he's a Cub! This notion of hating players because he once played for a rival is goofy. The only thing that matters is if he helps the team win. I could give a rat's ass if he "gets along" with Zambrano, just like I could care less if Zambrano wins 3 Cy Youngs and 2 World Series Championships with the Cubs and then ends his career with the Cardinals.

The 25 guys who suit up for the Cubs on a daily basis are all I care about. Billy Williams played for the A's. Santo finished up with the Sox. Fergie bopped around. Sutcliffe and Sutter pitched for the Cardinals. Don't care. Never felt pains of regret at seeing these guys on other teams because my focus was on the 25 guys in Cub pinstripes.

Most of us here have played sports and probably experienced playing against a former teammate or best friend (or even a family member), or playing with a former hated rival. You know what? As soon as that former teammate or buddy puts on that other uniform, he/she's the enemy. And as soon as that bitter, hated rival puts on your uniform, he/she's your teammate. You work together to try and beat the other guy.

It's good to cheer for a player on your favorite team, but the moment that guy joins another team (MJ, Scottie, McMahon, Andre, etc.), he's kind of dead to me. The inverse, of course, is also true. I've enjoyed (somewhat fruitlessly) rooting against Edmonds, but now that he's in Cub pinstripes I'll root for him to help the team win. If he blows homeless goats, then I'll hope he gets dumped and root for his replacement.

Besides, am I the only one who sees the poetic symmetry here? Can't you just imagine the image? A hated player from our most bitter rival pouring champagne over Big Z's head in a locker room in 5 months?? Wouldn't that make cosmic sense somehow??

I'm just glad not everyone feels that way.

well said TJ. Couldnt agree more.

so you root for laundry?

great if Edmonds is any good, not like I won't acknowledge the wins or anything, but I'd much rather not have to root for him...thanks. And I won't.

And the bigger issue is that he sucks and there's as much chance of Cesar Izturis recapturing his 2004 glory as Edmonds being useful for anything more than a 2-week stretch.

I agree... but don't you think if someone actually "blows homeless goats" there should be a senate inquiry into it?

Of course, maybe thats what it will take to get "the curse" lifted...

so you root for laundry?
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Wheeeeeeeeeeeee... go Boxers go.

"Wheeeeeeeeeeeee... go Boxers go."

What's with all the Chinese history jokes today? I just saw one about Tienanmen Square on another thread at http://www.thecubreporter.com/2008/05/15/argument-...

~obscure reference~

"tank man" changed my world view at an impressionable time of my life (12/13 years old).

the whole tienanmen incident did, really. i didn't have much concern or interest in the world outside of what i could physically lay my hands on. i had a bunch of questions to ask adults and barely a damn one could give me the answers i was looking for.

"so you root for laundry?"

I suppose one could argue this was also a Chinese history joke as well....

Abercrombie & Fitch approves.

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