Chicago Cubs Draft History

We've had a few draft history pieces over the years, a 3-part series I did back in 2005( the third part is particularly gruesome) and one by reader "Real Neal" last year. Reader "Wiscgrad" has put one together for this year and I'll be adding it to the "TCR Junk Drawer" as soon as I get a moment. Unfortunately, I'm having some issues getting it translated to HTML (particularly the pictures), so the PDF file is down below for your reading and viewing pleasure.

Chicago Cubs Draft History (PDF File)

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As some ESPN hack would write for the talking heads :"the Good, the bad, and the Ugly of the Cubs draft history." Good job, Rob.

To change the subject entirely, I would love the Cubs to get C.C. Sabathia, but not for ARam. Cliff Lee might be pitching outside of his level, so I'm wary of that guy. AJ Burnett is an oft-injured malcontent. No thanks. We're chock full of pitchers that are head cases.

Huh? People are saying ARam for CC? That would never happen.

What? Where was the Aram rumor from?

just to clarify, reader WISCGRAD wrote the article I linked to, although I did do one in 2005.

 

 

I like to look at this list I compiled and slam my head in a door every once in awhile:

http://mvn.com/mlb-cubs/2005/06/03/the-baseball-draft-the-couldai-been-cubs/ 

ALL-TIME JUST MISSED TEAM
P - Dwight Gooden (1982/5th); Shawon Dunston(1982/1st)
P - Jack McDowell(1987/5th); Mike Harkey (1987/4th)
P - Roger Clemens (1983/19th); Jackie Davidson (1983/6th)
P - Billy Wagner (1993/12th); Brooks Kieschnick(1993/10th)
C - Ray Fosse (1965/7th); Rick James (1965/6th)
1B - Mark McGwire (1984/11th); Drew Hall (1984/3rd)
2B - Chuck Knoblauch (1989/25th); Earl Cunningham (1989/8th)
SS - Garry Templeton (1974/13th)/Scot Thompson (1974/8th)
3B - Robin Venura (1988/10th)/Ty Griffin (1988/9th)
OF - Manny Ramirez(1991/13th); Doug Glanville(1991/12th)
OF - Lance Berkman(1997/16th); Jon Garland (1997/10th)
OF - Gary Matthews (1968/17th); Ralph Rickey (1968/15th)

in hindsight, Utley deserves to be the second basemen on that team, picked 15th the year we picked Montanez 3rd.

 

Kevin Goldstein's mock draft has the Cubs picking...

... a slow and steady riser, as the Cubs have been in on hard and heavy to see the last few starts by Illinois high school star Jake Odorizzi. He has the kind of velocity, command, and clean mechanics rarely seen from the cold-weather states.... consistently touching 95 mph with his fastball while showing a much-improved breaking ball.
Selection: Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Highland HS (IL)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?arti...

not killing the messenger here...nonetheless...

mock drafts past the first 5 or so picks are pretty f'n lame.

cubs got way too deep of a pick to even narrow it down to 3-5 possible picks, especially in this very weak draft class. very very very weak...there's like only 1-2 highschool pitchers worth drafting and some of the best college arms are relievers.

btw, if pedro alvarez makes it past AAA with his swing i'd be amazed. someone will blow million on him in the first 10 picks, though (probably top 5).

Not doubting you or anything Crunch because I have no clue about this, but out of curiosity, what makes you think Alvarez's swing is worse than MLB scouts think it is? Have you seen him play?

yes, seen him play...also seen video (god, i love the new era of video-on-demand coming from all over the place along with nearly every cell phone having a camera).

about his swing...i dont really think scouts think its better than i think it is...at least i dont think too many expect him to be a guy who's a top tier talent. he can move the bat through the zone, but he really loves chasing anything high which he can do something with his aluminum bat and wrist/hand speed. he's is the most polished bat in the draft, but he's not THAT polished. it's a weak draft class all around.

about his glove/arm...average at best for both. lotta people on the fence about whether he'll be able to stay there and if he might/should end up in LF/1st. doubt anyone will draft him and do anything but stick him at 3rd to begin with, but how long can he stay? with an arm that's barely 3rd base quality and average D...he'd need some good power for that...

which brings me to the power thing. i've been sold on him being a guy with a great swing...fast swing...but his power stroke *seems* to be aluminum bat influenced and since coming back from his hamate bone removal it's really showed.

that said...he does have the tools and he's very athletic. he's also the most polished bat in the draft. he'll have a lot going for him coming into this draft that would be overshadowed in other draft classes. a lot of what's moving him up (besides his actual #s performance) is how athletic he is. he's not fast by any means (kinda slow), but he's not lazy and there's a lotta teams who would love to try to mold him into the guy he could be.

Nice article Wisconsin!

The CC for Aram is from Goatriders. No sniping please; I found it preposterous as well. Not a rumored trade, just some random idiot's idea.

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  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that.

    trout got his props above and beyond...i even gave him more MVP props than he received in real life. what i posted was far from damming to trout. that's a problem when threads like this turn into a shitfest without useful info/convo because people are butthurt about stuff outside of the info.

    crunch 49 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 45 min 21 sec ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 1 hour 30 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 17 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 3 hours 18 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 25 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 4 hours 1 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 1 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 4 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 4 hours 7 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 8 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 4 hours 12 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 4 hours 25 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 30 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 4 hours 32 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 5 hours 51 min ago view