Game 72 Recap: Cubs 4, Devil Rays 5

How Many Losses?

W - Sonnanstine (8-3), loud domes, cowbells

L - Zambrano (8-3), soreness and discomfort, opposite field singles

S - Percival (17)


Box Score
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Things to Take from This Game


1. Cheap Runs

The Devil Rays scored a run in the first when DeRosa missed a line drive that allowed the runner to come around from first. It was a pretty bad miss by DeRosa. In the third the Devil Rays scored four times on a seemingly endless series of controlled swings producing opposite field singles.


2. Missed Spots, Calls

Zambrano didn't have much command of the fastball, missing up in the zone with some frequency. The home plate ump didn't have much command of his strike zone, either. It made for a bit of a bumpy game. But other than the third, both Z and Sonnanstine worked quickly and effectively. Cotts gave up a leadoff walk, but Wuertz got through the rest of the game without incident.

3. Missed Opportunity

The Cubs had a great chance to score in the fifth, with the bases loaded and no outs for Theriot, Lee and Ramirez. Theriot beat out a potential GIDP to score one run, but Lee and Ramirez couldn't drive the other runners in.

4. Another Wild Ninth

Soto makes up for last night's near-miss, and lines a home run off of Percival in the 9th, to make the game 5-4. DeRosa then walked, but Percival managed to nail things down from there. Another dramatic loss.

5. Uh. Oh.

Z left the game with two outs in the seventh after throwing a pitch to Eric Hinske. Soto saw something, and immediately got up, motioned to the dugout, and all went out to the mound. Z left and as of this posting has "Right Shoulder Discomfort" Edmonds had left the game in the fourth with "Left Foot Soreness." With Reed Johnson hobbled by a strained back, Fukudome had to play center. As per usual, stay tuned for updates.

 

Your "they're still the Devil Rays, no matter what their marketing department thinks the focus groups want" details, below.

Game Recap

Inning 1 - Top

  • Fukudome bounces the first pitch to Iwamura at second, 4-3 putout
  • Theriot with a smash to third. Longoria makes the 5-3.
  • Sonnanstine is working very quickly. He has an interesting delivery, where he seems to really sling his right, throwing arm way down and around like a windmill. Just as I say it, Brenly points out that he also has a hitch in the windeup as he comes down with the leg.
  • And Lee grounds out to Aybar at first, unassisted. Very fast top of the first

Inning 1 - Bottom

  • Z also working very briskly. Iwamura walks on a full count. Looks like he's missing with the fastball.
  • Crawford laces a slicing liner into left-center. DeRosa partially overruns it, but the ball is still just directly over his head when the ball hits off his glove and rolls to the wall. Error on DeRosa. Iwamura scores, Crawford on second. Pretty unfortunate miss, there.
  • Called strike three on an inside fastball to Upton.
  • Hinske flies out to Edmonds. Crawford goes to third.
  • Longoria gets brushed back a bit. Then taps out to the catcher, 2-3 putout. Inning over, 1-0 Devil Rays


Inning 2 - Top

  • Lots of Cowbell and other percussive instruments in effect at the Dome
  • Ramirez singles up the middle, left of the shortstop
  • Edmonds thinks he has walked (and so did I) but the ump calls it strike 1. Another fastball in for strike two, full count.
  • Really have the percusion working. Inside the dome, it reminds me of the few bits of Japanese major league games I've seen on TV
  • and Edmonds K's on a fastball
  • It really sounds like it could be a playoff game at Tropicana. PRetty neat.
  • Soto just barely tips a changeup that would have been strike three. Drops out of Navarro's glove.
  • Soto hits a slow bouncer, Longoria comes in on it and turns a 5-4-3. Yesterday and today are the first two games I've had a chance to watch Longoria, but his D seems to be as good as advertised.

Inning 2 - Bottom

  • Floyd chops one off the plate. Z waits for it, patiently throws to first, gets Floyd by a step.
  • Aybar grounds 6-3 to Theriot.
  • Navarro fights off an inside fastball, lining it over Cedeno for a single into right.
  • As Brenly observes, Z getting his fastball up
  • Bartlet grounds the first pitch into a routine 6-4. Another quick inning

Inning 3 - Top

  • DeRosa pops to second
  • Hoffpauir lines a single just in front of Upton in center.
  • and Cedeno grounds out to Longoria, who makes another really fine play coming in on a ball, reaching across his body one way and then throwing back across his body on the run. Hoffpauir to second
  • Fukudome lines a double down the right field line. Nice job pulling the inside fastball. Hoffpauir scores. Crowd still going wild.
  • Theriot lines one back through the middle. I didn't think there'd even be a play at the plate, but Upton charges, makes a fantastic throw home. It's only a bit high, and Navarro has to go up for it as Fukudome slides in for the run. 2-1 Cubs. Theriot takes second on the throw.
  • Lee K's swinging

Inning 3 - Bottom

  • Hmm, this game is also on ESPN. I learn this as Len is pointing out that Carlos has to wait an extra half-minute between innings, due to the national-TV advertising. Between that on not hitting, and Len and Bob speculate he might be antsy.
  • Iwamura walks again.
  • Crawford lines one to Cedeno's left. He dives for it, deflecting off his glove and rolling slowly away into right field. Iwamura to third and Crawford to second. I didn't know Crawford was having leg troubles, but yeah, he's definitely running with a limp
  • Upton lines a fastball up in the zone, outer-half, back to center. Edmonds gets to it before it goes to the wall, Iwamura scores with Crawford holding at third, Upton at first. 2-2 game
  • and Hinske goes opposite field to left, scoring another run. Z still lacking command of the fastball.
  • Longoria fists one inside-out, rolling it past Cedeno's left and into right field. Runner on second comes in to score, runners still at 1 and 2, still no outs, 4-2 game. Devil Rays finding all the holes.
  • Floyd with a big swing, pops out to Cedeno. Floyd makes a big windup to slam his bat into the ground, but then thinks better of it.
  • Yet another oppo-field hit, this one by Aybar. Run scores, still 1st and 2nd. 5-2.
  • When did the Devil Rays put in an aquarium tank behind right field, full of Devil Rays?
  • Navarro walks, loading the bases.
  • Lieber warming up.
  • Bartlett rolls one to Cedeno, who turns a nice 4-6-3 with Theriot. Inning over, 5-2.

Inning 4 - Top

  • Ramirez strikes out looking at a pitch he thinks is high and inside.
  • and now the first pitch to Edmonds is a called high strike, and he's not too fond of it.
  • Kirwan Danly (sp?), your home-plate ump. Now Navarro isn't happy with the second pitch.
  • Edmonds pops out to the pitchers' mound in the left field foul territory
  • Soto lines the first pitch he sees off of the very top of the wall in left-center for a double.
  • DeRosa grounds to Bartlett, inning over

Inning 4 - Bottom

  • Edmonds has some sort of injury. Murton goes in to left, moving DeRosa over to right, with Fukudome over to center. Reed Johnson is unavailable due to a strained back that he aggrevated running out of the box on his game-ending bunt attempt last night.
  • Iwamura promptly flies to Murton in left.
  • Crawford rolls out to Theriot.
  • and another grounder to Theriot, Upton out. Nice rebound from last inning

Inning 5 - Top

  • Hoffpauir lines one just to Aybar's left at first. Into the corner, double.
  • Cedeno walks.
  • 3-0 on Fukudome. And now walks him. 2 walks in a row from one of the best strike-throwers in baseball.
  • Bases loaded for Theriot.
  • Curve for strike one to Theriot.
  • Theriot chops a pretty routine-looking double-play ball to Iwamura. Theriot runs like hell and beats out the relay at first. Run scores, runners 1 and 3, 5-3 game. Extra helping of scrap served on that play.
  • Lee looks bad swinging at a low breaking pitch for strike three.
  • Ramirez flies to Hinske in right. Only one scores with bases loaded, no outs, and the 2-3-4 guys due up.

Inning 5 - Bottom

  • Cute footage of the Devil Rays mascot miming Theriot's stretching routine before the game.
  • Hinske grounds to Cedeno.
  • And now, footage of Raymond gyrating at Theriot. Oh my.
  • Edmonds leaves due to "left foot soreness."
  • Longoria K's looking, inside fastball
  • Floyd pops to Theriot. Another easy inning for Z

Inning 6 - Top

  • Murton christens his appearance in this game by hitting a grounder. Gets past Bartlett for a single.
  • Sonnanstine departs.
  • J.P. Howell in.
  • Soto linesone back up the middle on a hit and run, but Iwamura is covering the bag and the ball winds up being hit right to him for a 4-3 double play. Ouch.
  • DeRosa grounds to Bartlett, inning over.

Inning 6 - Bottom

  • Aybar hits a high drive to the warning track. DeRosa makes a very small hop to catch it at the wall.
  • Navarro squibs one to Ramirez, out.
  • Bartlett with a soft liner into shallow center. First runner for the Devil Rays since that awful third inning
  • Iwamura with an easy 4-3 to end the inning

Inning 7 - Top

  • Hoffpauir with the easy ground-out to first
  • Cedeno fouls one right off the top of the toes on the left foot. Owwie.
  • Cedeno then hits a chopper behind the mound, beats Iwamura's throw to first.
  • Cedeno runs on a full count, and Fukudome pulls one to second. Cedeno hops over it, Iwamura has to go to first base.
  • Theriot hits a soft liner to Iwamura, inning over.

Inning 7 - Bottom

  • Z walks Crawford to start the inning. Umpire is consistent in his inconsistent strike zone, at least.
  • Upton hits a hot shot to Cedeno's left. He goes down to one leg on a slide to get it, throws to second from that position, and Theriot makes the return throw for an easy DP
  • After his first pitch to Hinske, Soto calls to the bench to alert them to some physical concern with Z. The trainer comes out to chat with Z.
  • Len and Bob trying to figure out if Lou had waived to the pen or not as he came out to the mound. Replay shows he definitely gestured towards the bullpen, but they think he might have then tried to back out of it. In any case, Z winds up coming out, somewhat reluctantly. Soto definitely noticed something wrong, he got up very quickly after the last pitch, walked to the mound while waving into the dugout.
  • Cotts in.
  • And he throws three balls to walk Hinske
  • WGN shows a replay of Carlos in the dugout, talking to the trainer and Lou. As he does, he moves his left arm up to touch his front right shoulder, sort of above the pectoral. Len and Bob are not thrilled to see this...
  • Wuertz in.
  • Hinske runs on a 3-1 pitch. Strike, safe at second.
  • Longoria K's swinging at a low and inside pitch

Inning 8 - Top

  • Gabe Gross in right for Hinske, Wheeler in to pitch
  • Lee with a lazy fly to Upton. Doesn't look too happy with himself
  • Wheeler really saws off Ramirez, easy roller to second.
  • Murton grounds to Longoria

Inning 8 - Bottom

  • Long battle, 3-2 count on Floyd. Finally walks.
  • Gomes runs for Floyd at first.
  • Aybar chops a grounder to Ramirez, 5-4-3 DP.
  • Initial report on Z: "Right Shoulder Discomfort."
  • Navarro K's swinging

Inning 9 - Top

  • Percival in.
  • Soto smacks a fastball down the middle for a big home run to left. No doubt about it. 5-4 game.
  • DeRosa walks.
  • Hoffpauir flies out to Upton
  • Fontenot hits for Cedeno
  • Like last night, Percival really looks like he's laboring with each pitch.
  • Crowd on its feet, making a ton of noise. Lots of Cowbell.
  • Full count on Fontenot.
  • Flies out to Upton in left center. Two outs. Nuts.
  • 2-2 count to Fukudome, and Percival picks now of all moments to break out a big slow curveball. Fools everyone, called strike three, game over.

Parachat Recap

Inning 1

  • It's Carlos's Birthday!
  • I have a great story involving drunk-dialing, my mother, Ricky Nolasco, the Shriners, Stinky the Clown and Alfredo Amezaga. Will enough people show up to justify my telling it?
  • The Devil Rays' rap-sheet.
  • DeRosa's error
  • What weird off-speed pitch did Z throw to Hinske?
  • MLB Gatorade Coolers' class-action lawsuit against Zambrano

Inning 2

  • Tomato Talk.
  • Did Tim Russert really have a childhood friend named Dick Eaton?
  • !?!?!?!?!?!?!

Inning 3

  • And I entertain parachat with my story of Shriners, Ricky Nolasco, Alfredo Amezaga, My Mother, Stinky the Clown and Drunk Dialing.
  • to which Carlos responds with his own story of Amezaga and his Posse of Short Latinos in high school.
  • complaints about the Cubs' defensive positioning tonight.
  • and general moping.

Inning 4

  • It's all Corey Patterson's fault
  • Rob quotes TCR bylaws at me.
  • How to accept your ban from TCR
  • 17 inch TV screens
  • Dewayne Staats
  • Tattooed baseball players
  • More talk of Reed's bunt play.

Inning 5

  • Longoria's D.
  • Going Roger Ebert
  • FOX News-like accuracy in the parachat play-by-play.
  • Run differentials
  • late housemates

Inning 6

  • Positive contributions to society.
  • Boobs.
  • The 1992 Mets
  • The 1992 Cubs
  • Chico F'ng Walker
  • Continuing to flail away with our guesses at the 1992 Cubs

Inning 7

  • The complete transaction history of Bob Scanlan
  • More Bob Scanlan information than you can handle, courtesy of baseball-reference
  • Devil Rays announcers whine.
  • Tampa's Weather.
  • Domes
  • Jeff Stone
  • Death by apple-seed poisoning.
  • The mid-low/high 80s.
  • BEES!
  • Roids, Droids, Stroids, Rhoids.

Inning 8

  • "We're not the drunks you're looking for" - nohit.
  • Alligator skin gloves.
  • The Brewers and Miller Park
  • Parking at Wrigley
  • Where is Z?

Inning 9

  • Z's health
  • RALLY CAPS
  • Ugly Fans

Cubs record in games recapped falls to 9-4.

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Comments

Cardinals lose, Cardinals lose 3-2. Somehow it still doesn't help that much tonight.

I still like our chances. Our starting staff minus Z is still better than St. Louis or Houston and is probably the equal of Milwaukee. This team can still win the NL Central and in the Playoffs anything can happen like Jeff Weaver becoming Don Drysdale.

He is flying out of St. Pete tommorrow morning to Chicago for a MRI. The training staff does not exactly what it is but they doubt its serious.

I liked it better when Daryle Ward was Daryle Ward instead of Mike Fontenot being Daryle Ward.

Needs more Daryle Ward.

heard that.

as he signed a deal with the Yanks. It should be fun to watch if he can beat Hank in their quest to have the most druken rants to the NY media.

Dear Cubs,

Please beat the f***ing Devil Rays at least once.

Thank you,
Ryno

morning papers not adding much on Z, probably will be news by gametime tonight though.
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from the sun-times:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/10139...

''There was a funny pitch that I felt something in my arm, and then the last pitch that I threw in the game, I dropped my arm a lot because I couldn't go back over the top with my arm,'' said Zambrano (8-3), who was charged with the 5-4 loss to the Rays.

He's scheduled to fly this morning to Chicago to meet with team doctors and undergo an MRI.

When asked whether this injury was related to the stiff neck a month ago that the Sun-Times reported radiated into his shoulder, Zambrano said, ''Probably, yeah. But at this point, I don't know anything. Let's see what happens [today], and hopefully it's nothing bad.''

''It was something out of the blue,'' said Soto, who immediately waved for Piniella after Zambrano's first pitch to Eric Hinske with two out in the seventh. ''It was a [split-finger pitch], and he made a funny face, so I went out there. He never told me [anything was wrong]. But I knew something was up.''

Depending on the results of the MRI, we'd have to think that this could accelerate Hendry's acquisition of another bonafide starting pitcher.

Who is actually obtainable for less than four Cubs players that would make a difference?

And, at what point does Marquis revert back to his suckage?

T-minus 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

A win tonight will mean a .500 road trip. As Ryno states - we GOTTA win ONE!

Ken "Kenny" Williams can blow me:

Asked Wednesday about the different environments that surround the teams, Williams pulled no punches.

''It is so different,'' Williams said. ''You might as well build a border, a Great Wall of China on Madison, because we are so different. We might as well be in two different cities.

''The unfortunate thing for me is it's a shame that a certain segment of Chicago refused to enjoy a baseball championship being brought to their city. The only thing I can say is, 'Happy anniversary.'''

The Sox continue to push "the woe is us syndrom" and its becomes self fulfilling.

I'm happy they won so they would stop their bitching and whining about weather being bad when they are in town, umpire conspiracies and the number of words that are printed about them in the newspaper. But I guess it didn't.

It's not Cub fans fault that the Sox were in the lowest viewed WS in recent history, that their fans don't come out to games, and they have a nut for a manager.

Poor Kenny, maybe his owner can figure out away to lead ownership to lock out all the players the rest of the year or maybe have another white flag trade.

When the Cubs win the WS the Sox will be more an afterthought than the Chicago Sky in this town.

What an unbelievably low-class organization that is. Can you ever imagine Jim Hendry saying something like that about the White Sox? Not in a million years.

And if the Cubs win the World Series are Sox fans going to rejoice? Hell no. Just because we're in the same city doesn't mean we have to cheer them on in the playoffs. Because we're 90 miles away from them, should we celebrate the Brewers if they win?

Here's a thought - if you want to be a popular team, don't build your stadium in the middle of the ghetto, where people have literally found bullet holes in the seats.

Go to hell, Kenny. Enjoy your world series no one gave a shit about, you no-class scumbag.

But, can you tell us how you REALLY feel?

The only thing I can say is...
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Headline: Blind Squirrel, Nut Found

"The Sox continue to push "the whoa is us syndrom"

Did you mean, "Woe is us...?"

Thanks!!

Cubs haven't lost 3 in-a-row all year. Why start tonight? Cubs 7 Rays 3

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/10135...

other tidbits from the article:

* Reed is expected to be ready for Friday.
* Edmonds had a case of Planter Facuitius last night, he might be able to play today (although I'd give him the day-off)
* If both injuries are lingering it is likely one of them to go on the DL so they are not playing two down.

Did anyone read or hear from DeRosa? WTF?! It looked like he just took his eye off the ball.

It pissed me off that Brenley gave him a pass> "He had a long run..."

He was pretty much jogging at the end and had easily caught up to the ball.

Also, when he slumps he is a ground-out machine. Which he is in currently.

Perhaps Lou will "rest" him for a couple days?

Hell, he ran past the ball.

Nearly took his head off.

From my view (literally out if left field) it looked to me like Derosa saw that the ball was hit hard and maybe didn't think he was going to get it. He quickly realized that it was gonna be a catchable ball, relaxed and as stated ran past it.

I went to the last two games and the crowd was easily 80-90% Chicago blue. Unfortunately the Cubs played so f****** badly that the 3,457 pure Devil Ray fans that were there were louder than the 30,000+ Cub fans most of the time.

Oh yeah, there were some idiots ("Rays" fans obviously) running around in some kind of pajama/fairy-type outfits with bullhorns and $hit. Pretty funny.

Perhaps Lou will "rest" him for a couple days?

Kinda' hard when both Edmonds and Johnson are possibly out tonight.

Fukudome will have to be in CF, meaning you have Hoffpauir, Murton, and DeRosa to cover the corners.

You'd think after winning the whole enchilada the WS would start acting like a winning organization, but they still display the old insecurities of their previous selves. They should take a page from the 1970's - circa Oakland A's, who were always treated as second - class citizens compared to the SF Giants, but kept their yaps shut and just kept on winning championships, year after year. Eventually, you can't ignore the elephant in the room.

but they still display the old insecurities of their previous selves...
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rightly so...after all, aren't they coming off a well earned 72-90 season.

Couple of items since I haven't been around much the last week:

Heard last night on the DEVIL Rays' radio broadcast after Soto's double: "This is a real major league park. You have to hit it far to hit it out...not like that so-called major league field the Cubs play at with that short distance and 'goofy' basket. This is a real park..." Good Lord.

I realize Lou liked Hoff batting up there in the 9th, but after his AB the night before against Percival, why not bunt to move DeRosa to scoring position in the 9th?

This schedule is crap. First we go from Toronto to NY to Tampa within 36 hours, and now we have a night game on "getaway day" followed by an afternoon game the next day? What's up with that?

real major league parks have real grass

looks like the Mariners are really cashing it in now. McLaren out, Jim Riggleman in. Yep that Jim Riggleman of the sub .450 career WP as a manager.

and of course cue Bedard trade rumors

and McLaren is Lou's longtime bench coach...

wonder if the Cubs will try to find a spot for him now

I always felt Lou was going to do his 3 years and then Cubs turn it over to Trammel.

I actually miss the 'Go Cubs Go' song in the upper right corner...

I'm glad my "It's all Corey's fault" made the parachat recap...

Mighty sporting of the Cardinals to drop two in a row to KC the same time we were losing. Cards are about to lose today, too... 4-1 KC in the 9th.

Woof -- Cards score 4 runs in 3 games, at home, against the Royals.

Brewers win a wild one -- lead 8-1 in the 9th, win 8-7 with the tying run on base.

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  • Hmmm, my math might be fuzzy but if he retired 3 batters with 3 pitches, how did he get a 1/1 GO/AO ratio?

    bradsbeard 1 min 50 sec ago view
  • Pls DFA Peralta when Richard comes back. Richard 1 IP, O R, O ER, 0 BB, 2 Ks in first rehab appearance. We really need to trade for a LHRP.

    chitownmvp01 19 min 6 sec ago view
  • "The Boston Red Sox were banned from signing any international players for the next year and had five of their teenage prospects declared free agents on Friday after a Major League Baseball investigation showed they circumvented signing-bonus rules last year, a source familiar with the situation told Yahoo Sports."

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/source-red-sox-b...

    Rob Richardson 3 hours 58 min ago view
  • The thing with Heyward is its not just free agency. He is way under performing his career #s. He's making the same % of contact but his soft contact is much higher and hard contact much lower than all his previous years so there is something very specifically going on this year causing the issues. Chances are he will eventually get back to his previous #s and it's better to get the slump now and get that hot run later but I wish I knew what is different about this year. He's either just not seeing the ball as well or a swing change is causing it.

    johann 4 hours 13 min ago view
  • Only 3 pitches for Leathersich. Not much of a rehab outing.

    Thanks for the reporting Phil.

    QuietMan 4 hours 25 min ago view
  • He's the nastiest pitcher I've seen in awhile. I'm gonna give them all a mulligan on this one.

    Coghlan's strike out was more disappointing. He was fighting off a lot of pitches and not swinging at crap, and on the last pitch, he swung at stuff he was laying off, and struck out.

    And Heyward, too. I don't blame Heyward - I blame free agency. I hate it. You almost never get a valid return on the investment.

    I look forward to the day when ball players own the teams. The current economics are not sustainable.

    Old and Blue 5 hours 26 min ago view
  • Oh, I'm sure you're right. He's not 27-27 in saves for nothing. But, man, I hope they learned last night that he didn't throw a single pitch in the zone to KB, Contreras or Baez, and they all just kept swinging.

    billybucks 7 hours 34 min ago view
  • Sounds like a much better game than last night's fiasco in Flushing.

    Old and Blue 7 hours 51 min ago view
  • I'm pretty sure it looks like a sweet pitch on the way in. How many sinkers like that are there at 98 mph? I agree that they should just do a Lackey and stand their with their bat on their shoulders until he throws a strike next time, but I can see how that's hard to do.

    The bullpen, on the other hand, is a mess, and Heyward is starting to piss me off.

    Old and Blue 7 hours 52 min ago view
  • I noticed that too. He's getting to everything, but when he gets right under it on a high flyball he looks uncomfortable

    cubbies.4ever 16 hours 26 min ago view
  • Did you expect anything different?

    billybucks 16 hours 56 min ago view
  • Wow, did they blow this game. Stupid plays by the kids in the 7th -- Almora throwing to 3rd instead of 2nd to keep the DP in order (when a DP probably wins the game) and Baez throwing to 3rd (to a backpedalling KB) instead of getting the easy 2nd out at first - cost them the game. Also, Contreras almost throws the ball into RF on a nonexistent pick-off play. And Maddon, for using Peralta in the first place. Did they do a bunch of shots in the dugout before the 7th? Unbelievably bad baseball. I thought Almora had a high baseball IQ?

    billybucks 17 hours 18 min ago view
  • men on 2nd/3rd, 0 out...and nothing.

    cubs lose :(

    crunch 17 hours 51 min ago view
  • UH OH! RALLY TIME!

    crunch 18 hours 1 min ago view
  • Getting tired of this Heywood weak sauce

    jacos 18 hours 12 min ago view
  • Yep, can't say I disagree with that. His first batter and resulting walk was just brutal. Reminded me of a bit of Jacque Jones spiking his throws into the ground from RF.

    Eric S 18 hours 20 min ago view