There are six "administrative" reasons why a PTBNL can't be named right away in a trade that occurs in the off-season:
1. Player was on Outright Assignment Waivers the day the trade was made (a player cannot be traded while he is on waivers).
2. Player is on TB 40-man roster and has a "no trade" right that will expire prior to MLB Opening Day;
3. TB is expecting to acquire the PTBNL from another club in a trade, and so AZ has to wait until this expected trade goes down.
4. Player was signed after being selected by TB in the previous Rule 4 Draft (First-Year Player Draft) and can't be traded until the first anniversary of signing his first contract. (NOTE: Since a PTBNL must be named within since months and the first anniversary of any player selected in the 2013 Rule 4 Draft signing his first contract would necessarily have to be longer than six months from yesterday, it can't be this one).
5. Player is not on TB 40-man roster and is eligible for selection in next week's Rule 5 Draft and so he can't be traded until after the draft, (Very well could be this reason, The D'backs may like a young Rays minor league pitcher or position player eligible for the Rule 5 Draft but not yet ready for MLB--like when they selected Starling Peralta from the Cubs in last year's Rule 5 Draft--but don't want to have to waste a 40-man roster slot on him and then have to deal with Rule 5 restrictions on a player with talent but who is just not ready for MLB). Probably this guy
6. TB will make a Rule 5 selection for the D'backs and then trade the player to AZ. (Not likely, since AZ selects before TB in the draft).Author: Arizona Phil
well, the cubs found their lefty pen help...
"The Cubs and LHP Wesley Wright have agreed to a one-year deal believed to be worth $1.425 million, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today."
not bad. wonder what he'll fetch in june/july...sigh.Author: crunch
rumor be that team would kick in some of posting fee to player under old system, things may reverse now.
revenues are considerably smaller over there, so tough to see them passing on $20M.Author: Rob G.
Rakuten is obviously opposed to a cap on posting fees, but the expectation is they will still post Masahiro Tanaka.Author: QuietMan
I tend to agree. This also hurts the Cubs a bit too as the high posting fee wasn't subject to their payroll restrictions. IMHO he's still a guy that's worth breaking the bank for. He's the right age, isn't subject to draft pick compensation, and should be around when the Cubs are ready to contend.Author: tem99
maybe, don't think the Yanks are gonna care about luxury tax as much as folks think after missing the playoffs.
That being said, if there's a negotiating/bidding war, Dodgers, Rangers, Angels will be more motivated than Cubs.Author: Rob G.
"With the new posting system proposal for Nippon Professional Baseball players, the Rakuten Golden Eagles are "leaning against" posting Masahiro Tanaka this offseason, said Peter Gammons of MLB Network."
sigh. whatever...etc.Author: crunch
I forgot Wittenmeyer writes for a paper, so he obviously has his finger on the pulse of anything to do with electronic media.Author: jacos
What a fucking tool!
Cody Ransom. The poor man's Darwin Barney.Author: The E-Man
i saw that too. Nick Friedell was my STH voice on the panel talking about jis 84 yo. grandma as a Cub fan and he is a STH, asking "why should we watch what is in Wrigley now" to which Theo stated the "ground floor" story, Castro and Rizzo..
Sure is a tough sell.
Rick Telender was also on the panel and had a funny analogy of a resturant can close for remodeling, and when ready re-open to "new and improved", but the Cubs have been keeping the doors open.
Wittenmeyer indeed is kinda a dick. He thinks there would only be one suitor for broadcast, and "they'll give you 10 bucks for it [the rights].
it was pretty interesting al in all. But confirmed what any of us believe nw with said "timeline".Author: The E-Man
This is funny local media idiot Jesse Rogers raises the ire former local bad ballplayer Cody Ransom-
Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs 2h
Talk about tanking in Sept when you know there is a stud Japanese player on the market..you get No . 1 pick in draft AND first dibs on Japan
If the Cubs only knew this could happen. Cody Ransom would have played every day. #bettertolose
Few hours later-
Cody Ransom @ransom_cody 2h
@ESPNChiCubs funny you never said that when u were standing in the locker room
Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs
@ransom_cody wanted to make sure this was you, Cody. My apologies. Bad joke. Was looking for a random name and used you.Again, my apologies
I actually think this helps the Cubs. With the cap on the posting fee that means there's more money that can go to Tanaka. And that money counts against the Luxury Tax. That hurts the Yankees.Author: tem99
Theo on CSN now-
Cubs he took over had tough contracts for "win now players" on a team that was not build to win now.
Gordon Wittenmeyer one of the panelist can't quite grasp who would pay Cubs more money for games. Must only think WGN exists. Theo said "you would want to buy stock in Cubs Tv". Said "intrigue" with Cubs going for championship.
Shark -"chances are good" he's in rotation in 2014. But said could do extension or a guy they move for young players.Author: jacos
looks like $20M max posting, player can negotiate for 30 days with any team that posts the top bid.
Welcome to the Yankees Tanaka....Author: Rob G.
yet more wrinkles, another story is that player could negotiate with any teams that posted the max bid simulatenously.
also, his current team has to agree to post him and they voted against the $20M cap, but were overuled by other Japanese owners. They could just choose not to post him now.Author: Rob G.
ah, there's a wrinkle or conflicting stories, player would get choice of teams to negotiate with if there's a tie on the bids.
Everyone's back in play again...figure player would pick team with deepest pockets. Welcome to the Yankees Tanaka.Author: Rob G.
Just saw Matt Cerda on a MLB Network commercial plugging some swing development product.Author: QuietMan
rumor be that $20M will be the maximum posting bid for Japanese players with the tiebreaker being reverse standings.
$20 says White Sox sneak in and steal Tanaka, although I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Astros stepped in.Author: Rob G.
Rosenthal saying DBacks/A's talked of a Skaggs/Pollock and a little more for Cespedes, probably the pieces D'Backs would dangle for Samardzija, although the little more would probably be a little less in that case.Author: Rob G.
Agree on the Tanaka point. This front office isn't dumb. But they better have a plan B if things don't go their way.Author: tem99
Fernando Tatis off all people is claiming that Mets have a deal with Curtis Granderson.Author: Rob G.
you can build a team without shedding prospects.
in fact, there comes a point (especially when you've shed a lot of payroll) where you invest before you become better than the bottom 10. 8 wins is all that separates this year's #4 cubs pick from the #11 pick (which means you lose that draft pick if you sign a protected player).
people need to quit looking at signing FAs as something that's some awesome deal...they rarely are, and when they are it's generally for role players rather than stars. got money to spend...spend it...especially when you're in a draft pick advantage.
BOS and MIA have both shown very recently that there's some very good "insurance" out there for some over-reaching contracts.
i get the feeling the cubs are putting all their eggs in one basket for m.tanaka...and it's gonna be quite disappointing if they don't win the bid at the very least (even if that's a hell of a way to piss away a ton of money once bid+contract loot comes in for a team that's under no draft pick loss presure). if their interest in tanaka is overblown, they're just being cheap bastards.Author: crunch
it's completely disingenuous and my point being that the Ricketts are just using it as leverage to get what they want out of a TV deal and Wrigley renovations.
Good chance anyone except maybe Cuban or the Steinbrenners would be doing the exact same thing.
Ricketts are obviously playing the long game because if they were worried about short term, they'd be freaking out about season ticket renewals right now and empty seats and probably demanding more flashy moves by Theo, even if it meant moving prospects. I'd like to believe they know that building a team for long-term success along with the TV deals and Wrigley renovations is the best long-term investment, even if they have to "suffer" for a few years.Author: Rob G.
Towers isn't giving up Archie Bradley for David Price, so don't expect him for Samardzija
other than Skaggs, not sure what DBacks are gonna offer teams for this #1 or #2 starter, although Skaggs would be a decent get
maybe Skaggs, Delgado and another minor leaguer for Ninja?
Dbacks would have Corbin, Miley, Samardzija, McCarthy, Cahill with Bradley, Chafin and probably Hudson as depth.
~shrug~Author: Rob G.
I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the debt issue is a bit misleading since the Ricketts family essentially created a vehicle to loan themselves the money to make the purchase. So to say they can't increase the payroll because the left hand needs to re-pay the right hand is a bit disingenuous.Author: tem99
Well of course the younger player is more valuable VP...just pointing out that he didn't really "suck"
I'm a fan of Villaneuva as well.Author: Dusty Baylor
It's better to have a guy who's 23 hit 23 HRs and knock in 80 than a 38-year-old with 30 and 103, since after that season McGriff had 113 games left in the tank, with very little production.
People always assume it's about money, but I really think it's about sustained excellence. From the Cubs' point of view, Ellsbury was attractive for his left-handedness; but signing him would have been Cub-career ending for Soler, Lake, Vitters, probably Vogelbach and others you could name, since Bryant and Almora are going to occupy two thirds of the outfield fairly soon.
The "others you could name" might include Zeke DeVoss. The front office probably noticed that DeVoss, who played outfield last year at Daytona, had 39 SBs and 80 walks (.393 OBP).
Until they figure out where Baez is going to play and where/whether Alcantara is going to play, they really have no openings in the infield. I also think they're very high on Villanueva, but that might just be my own bias toward 3Bs who fit a job description calling for "great defensive skills plus some pop."
If the Cubs are going to pay big bucks for a position player any time soon, it will almost have to be at catcher.Author: VirginiaPhil
Cutler will be franchised, and the Bears will use one of the first two picks on Qb.
Trestman wants his own mind and arm to meld.Author: jacos
Daytona Cubs named BA's minor league team of the year.
It was that kind of season for the Daytona Cubs, who had two no-hitters, a four-homer game, the most prospects in the franchise’s 20 years as a Cubs affiliate, and oh by the way, a run to the high Class A Florida State League championship.Author: Rob G.
other FA QB options are Vick, Freeman and Henne, so yeah, Bears will probably franchise if they have to.
McCown's been fantastic and all and the downfall this year has been the defensive injuries, but not sure you want to go down that road next year with McCown.
If they do franchise Cutler, then they should definitely draft a QB in the upper rounds for 2015.Author: Rob G.
Speaking of deep drafts, it's a deep QB draft this year, too and Emery says he isn't franchising Cutler - should be an interesting off season for the Bears and their QBs.Author: Old and Blue
You're right about the Zell demand - I forgot about that. Somebody should erect a Zell statue in front of Wrigley that has replaceable balls that can get cut off by the people as they go through the turnstiles.Author: Old and Blue
the debt you speak of was a demand by Zell to lower his tax burden. Any owner that bought the team would have the same issues.
I don't doubt the Ricketts are now using at as an excuse to get the Wrigley improvements they want now and TV deal they want, but I also have little doubt that if the Cubs were any good, they'd be bigger players in the free agent market.
That all being said, when Theo and Jed started in Boston they were adamant about not giving out deals over 5 years and figuring out an acceptable cost for a player regardless of public sentiment (for heaven's sake they let Pedro Martinez leave). Theo lost his way a little at the end (ownership, city pressure, etc), but I'm pretty sure he's not going to do that again. They'll strike when they see a good deal and they're not gonna do it just because people are bitchy about it.
But indeed, sucks being a Cubs fan right now...do hope we see Baez and Bryant at some point this season.Author: Rob G.
What puts Tanaka in play for the Cubs — who often are forced into mid-market decision-making because of debt-related restrictions — is that the often-exorbitant posting-bid price isn’t subject to restrictions on player spending that have been in place since the Ricketts family’s highly leveraged purchase in 2009, a source said.Author: QuietMan
Links in the sidebar, but Callis has Cubs taking RHP Tyler Beede, says it's a deep pitching draft. Mayo has Cubs taking SS Trea Turner.Author: Rob G.
giving ellsbury 22m a year for 7 years is crazy even without the no-trade.
that's primo slugger loot...not "i hit over 10 HR in a season once" loot. sure he's got top-notch speed, but this pays for ages 30-36 of that speed.
that's c.crawford 7/$142m territory crazy.Author: crunch
If the Cubs were geting .276/.361/.518 out of Rizzo, we'd be building a statue.
Oh defensively? Oh yeah...McGriff was like a frickin' statue.Author: Dusty Baylor
I have to agree with you O & B. I was all giddy when the Cubs signed Soriano. Many here - "the Wise Ones" - pointed out just how asinine that decision was. But I was shell-shocked that any Cub team I followed actually signed the #1 FA of the time. It never happened before. I suppose Fred McGriff at the deadline was close - but he was WAAAYY past his prime and sucked balls for the Cubs, of course.
So - as I plunk down my money once again this year, I have resigned the feeling that it will be another 90+-loss team. I don't expect them to sign anyone that is one of the top FA's this year either.
The crazy thing is I keep reading Forbes account that the Cubs are one of the top - if not THE top - profitable baseball teams.
If this is true, why is this payroll at $70MM or whatever?Author: The E-Man
And such is the problem with complaining about the Cubs not burying themselves into the free agent market. I'm not saying complaining about it is wrong -- after all, I do it, but most of the posters here are really smart about baseball and would be all over TheoCorp for a signing like this. Even if this team finds a revenue source to help unleverage the team some, this kind of money for a player like this is insane. The reports say Ellsbury is injury prone but collisions - the basis of the two biggest injuries I remember, happen. But still, the guy plays pretty hard and would have been one ivy colored bruise from the disabled list had he signed with the Cubs. Another guy - Cano - would look good in Barney's place (but then, so would Arismendy Alcantara in comparison) but it will cost them in the $200 million range and the contract will make us long for the Soriano deal. It's really crazy. A part of me just wants to see the current free agent system dissolve from a lack of participation. In some sense that's beginning to happen as teams lock guys up.
Sucks being a Cubs fan right now. Ownership is shackled by ridiculous debt (why'd they buy this team again?) and I want them to play the free agent market. Then the question is, okay, who? And I say, beats the hell out of me.Author: Old and Blue
They call it the Hendry Touch
@JonHeymanCBS ellsbury is to receive a no-trade clause in the $153M deal.Author: jacos
Tanaka talk...Wittenmeyer, Sun-times:
But some top Cubs baseball officials privately doubted they would be any more successful than they were in failed bids the last two winters for Yu Darvish and Hyun-jin Ryu, who went to the cash-flush Texas Rangers and Los Angeles Dodgers, respectively.Author: Cubster
per Bruce Levine tweets...
Former Cub manager Mike Quade accepts roving outfielder instructor job with Yankees.
Hinske has been a winner everywhere he had landed. He has excellent communication skills which is congruent with the coaching group.Author: Cubster
Blistering stove the last 2 daysAuthor: John Beasley
Yanks to sign Kelly Johnson to 1/2.75M deal, plan to play everywhere, potential 2b if no Cano.
should do quite well at Yankee stadium
crazy 2 days of news
PS - There was a Dexter Fowler/PTBNL to Astros for J. Lyles/B. Barnes deal also today, can't remember if that was mentioned.Author: Rob G.
"In addition, the Cubs have been absent from big-game hunting since Tom Ricketts bought the team in August 2009, perhaps because the front office of Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer believe it was important to grow organically and not put expensive window dressing on a rebuilding program. But there are officials who say the sale contains provisions that financially handcuff Ricketts that would not be a factor for a posted player. For what it is worth, Epstein and Hoyer were the GM and assistant GM of the Red Sox when they gave a then-record $51.1 million posting fee to land Daisuke Matsuzaka."Author: Carlito
So if you ignore the $13M to Soriano, the payroll is at $62M? That's a fucking disgrace. I hope I don't get thrown out of the season ticket holder event this week.Author: Newport
Morneau 2 year deal with Rockies
Phillies get RP Brad Lincoln from Blue Jays for C Eric Kratz & LHP Rob RasmussenAuthor: Rob G.
Towers says PTBNL is the key piece for them and has already been agreed upon...some administrative reason for not being named now. Also the money...also Heath Bell not losing anymore games for your team.Author: Rob G.
Saved them from paying Heath Bell? That's all I've got.Author: QuietMan
Ellsbury to Yanks on a 7 year deal ($153M allegedly)
O's interested in Nelson Cruz
Choo is Tigers top target
Beltran and Royals met today and Royals are allegedly team offering 3/48Author: Rob G.