Is Theo Epstein working a Marlon Byrd trade with Boston?

Of course that's an imagined conversation between Theo Epstein and Boston GM Ben Cherington, but...


Would this not make a ton of sense?
Jacoby Ellsbury, the Red Sox center fielder, did something bad to his shoulder when he slid hard into 2nd base during the Sox home opener.
A "subluxed" shoulder.
That doesn't mean "below luxury", it means he kind of dislocated it, and it means about 6-8 weeks on the DL.
The Sox have some expectations this year, and 6-8 weeks is a long time.
The Cubs, on the other hand, are lacking in expectations this year.
Although they are expected to make trades to lose the guys they can lose if it makes the team better for the future.
Cubs center fielder Marlon Byrd happens to be one of those guys.
It's too bad he picked this April to forget how to hit.
But we should pay attention, because Boston is looking. 

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Love this one, Blue! Great stuff.

I think the "sublux" injury is pretty similar to what ARam did a few years. Looks like the injury is to Ellsbury's right shoulder, too, which is his front arm when he swings the bat. It shouldn't affect his throwing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him having trouble reaching pitches on the outside corner and hitting stuff that he's out in front of--that can really strain that front shoulder. Might affect his power for a while, too.

nice...

I think the "sublux" injury is pretty similar to what ARam did a few years.
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The injuries are similar from a rehab perspective and that both were glove side injuries (Ellsbury throws lefty). Some of the details are somewhat different, such as primary vs recurrent injury, subluxation vs dislocation.

ARam had a recurrent shoulder dislocation (May 2009) of his glove hand (left). He had dislocated the same shoulder earlier in his career in Pittsburgh (Aug 2000) and that was reported as a partial dislocation (see the TCR article linked at the bottom). Although that was an acute injury the "recurrent" part means the anterior capsule has already been injured (it usually does not heal back as tight after a dislocation) and to a certain extent remains stretched more than before the first injury.

On Friday, he (Ellsbury) injured his right shoulder trying to break up a double play.

"Subluxed" (or subluxation) is a partial dislocation and from what I can tell it's Ellsbury's first shoulder injury. A complete dislocation means the humerus or ball of the shoulder moves in front of the socket (glenoid) and out of the socket, often tearing the anterior capsule and ligaments (mainly the middle and inferior glenohumeral) that constrain it normally. Usually, it needs to be reduced or set (reports were that ARam's shoulder was reduced a few minutes afterward) although on occasion it can spontaneously reduce (more often in a recurrent situation than primary). A partial dislocation meant the humeral head didn't completely disengage the socket, so it didn't need to be reduced back in place. There was some discussion that ARam would get offseason shoulder repair to address the recurring dislocations but it never happened. ARam felt the shoulder wasn't feeling unstable after he rehabbed it. Often patients decide to repair recurrent instability after multiple dislocation or subluxation events and in ARam's case the dislocations were years apart. Ellsbury could get ongoing instability even with a subluxation event so surgical repair is still a possibility if it becomes a recurring problem. It is pretty uncommon to repair these acutely, particularly after a first time event.

I think ARam's defense got worse after the injury, possibly because he was more tentative when diving for balls but that's for another discussion. The injury didn't seem to ultimately affect his power at the plate all that much as he hit 25 HR's in 2010 and 26 HR's in 2011 (26 in 2007, 27 in 2008 before the injury).

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2009/05/09/that...

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2009/05/08/rami...

Thanks! Great info!

sounds fair to me.

Ephoy can put Marlon in the tanning bed for an hour before the trade. I heard something about the Red Sox looking to acquire fried Byrd and beer?

Red Sox lose to Tampa 1-0 today, Cody Ross (CF) strikes out looking at a 2-2 pitch with 2 runners on.

They could use some offense:

Marlon Byrd, oh wait...

Yeah, at this point, I doubt Cubs could even trade him to Baltimore for Bird from "The Wire."

CubbyBlue--

Brilliant. (Love Theo giving the "yak-yak-yak" fingers while Cherington rants.)

Just great.

think byrd switched batting shades during the stl series; that should do it...

Wellington Castillo, C, Cubs (Triple-A Iowa)
The Cubs are not a very good baseball team, but they're not expected to be. This is a team in the nascent period of what will be a long rebuilding process. While Cubs fans seem preoccupied with what first baseman Anthony Rizzo and outfielder Brett Jackson are doing at Triple-A (and both are doing well), don't forget about Castillo, especially since regular catcher Geovany Soto is one of the club's better trade chips when it comes to building for the future. With three hits in all three of his games over the weekend—and home runs in two of them—Castillo is doing his best to make the front office more comfortable in jump-starting that rebuild.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...

Dejesus
Jackson
Castro
Soriano
Rizzo
Vitters/Stewart platoon
Barney
Castillo

Good-to-great AAA lineup. God-awful MLB lineup. :)

For 2012, yes........but preparing for 2013/2014, probably not.

nevermind... I'm removing my comment. Hooray for 2012-13.

The line up seems likely, except for Vitters sharing third base. In order for that to happen, Stewart needs to be really bad, and Vitters needs to show real power.

The rest is almost certain, other than Castillo replacing Soto, which will happen only if Soto hits well enough to be traded for something good.

stewart vs vitters is a higher-stakes/higher-return neifi vs macias =p

vitters is hitting in AAA, but his lack of power is boring...especially considering the I-Cubs have been facing some of the worst pitching in the f'n world lately (or there's a huge breakout of awesome with the cubs bats).

unless stewart really fails (.220 avg/10 hr area) he'll probably have to be paid more than the $2.4m he's making this year.

it also looks like the team is stuck with barney, for better or worse, for quite a while pending a trade.

the FA market is almost non-existent for 2nd/3rd in 2012...should be interesting.

I predict there will be no Byrd-Ellsbury deal. #easypredictions

Love the post, though, CubbieBlue. The yak yak hands were hilarious.

lol...the cardinals WS ring has a tiny "rally squirrel" on it.

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexper...

The Red Sox don't expect to add another outfielder to replace Jacoby Elllsbury, who is having the MRIs of his injured shoulder looked at by Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles.

Sox general manager Ben Cherington said that while the Sox always do their due diligence and have their radar up, he doesn't expect a team will trade a good center fielder this early in the season.

Translation: Marlon Byrd is not a good CF (because the Cubs would trade him in a heartbeat)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/...

Ben Badler tweets...

Teams say they haven't received any word yet about Jorge Soler becoming a free agent. Legally cannot negotiate yet.

https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/19195003...

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  • "Like the Chapman deal for Cubs from on-field POV, wish I didn't now have to feel lousy following an otherwise likable Cubs team." @jonahkeri

    pretty much sums up my feelings

    Rob G. 5 hours 41 min ago view
  • You mean Yankees?

    QuietMan 5 hours 45 min ago view
  • Cards lose!

    billybucks 5 hours 52 min ago view
  • You do have a point. The TheoJed certainly would need to address this in a transparent way. Milton Bradley was no help to the team.

    The E-Man 6 hours 4 min ago view
  • FWIW, the Cubs would get a compensation draft pick between the 1st & 2nd rounds (around #35) if they extend a Qualifying Offer to Chapman post-2016 (probably about $17M), Chapman declines, and then he signs with another MLB club before next year's draft. 

    Arizona Phil 6 hours 10 min ago view
  • This all assumes Chapman doesn't want to be a free agent and possibly sign a $20MM+/year deal. We all know free agents get overpaid, sometimes dramatically (Hello, JayHey!). Not sure why Chapman would agree to the extension. If i'm is agent, I would tell him I could get I'm a $100M deal as a FA.

    billybucks 6 hours 18 min ago view
  • I'll root for the uniform and imagine it's left-handed Rod Beck or Randy Myers out there I suppose.

    Rob G. 6 hours 41 min ago view
  • Amen to this. I guess it's gonna happen and I'm gonna have to suck it up but I really despise domestic abusers with every bone in my body and cannot stand them on any team I root for.

    johann 6 hours 50 min ago view
  • I just prefer they don't  acquire players that choke their wives/girlfriends.

    Rob G. 6 hours 53 min ago view
  • So you'd rather go with Blown Save guy, when you can trade a prospect who is blocked for one piece that could get you over the top to the Big Dance? That is pretty old thinking. This is not a move that they cannot recover from if it goes south. But the upside is potentially historic.

    The E-Man 7 hours 3 min ago view
  • I'd prefer it not happen too.

    Rob G. 7 hours 29 min ago view
  • it's a hell of a blockbuster, but it's for a guy who pitches 1/3rd of a season at an extreme premium considering the guy being traded and if the early extension $$$ rumors are true.

    it's one of those things that is bringing a guy at the top his game, but something is nagging me that this trade piece could have been put to better use.

    a huge part of me is all "hell yeah, top of the line producer"...another part of me is "hmm, that for that?"

    crunch 7 hours 33 min ago view
  • Still don't want. Kinda hope they can't work out the extension.

    Charlie 7 hours 45 min ago view
  • obviously not, and I'm sure they did their homework...just hope they have some better answers than the Yankees

    Rob G. 7 hours 45 min ago view
  • Chapman 12+ Career WAR. Currently 4.7:1 k-BB. With Rondon/Chapman/Strop/Nathan/Montgomery/Wood...Its the best pen I can recall other than Sutter or Lee Smith handling things themselves.

    Its gonna suck if he gets injured, and it appears he's not the greatest of characters.

    But, he'll have another Cuban to hang out with on the team.

    The E-Man 8 hours 7 min ago view
  • I agree with the names you mention but there are lots of names being tossed around still and there's that small matter of Chapman agreeing to the extension.

    Old and Blue 8 hours 12 min ago view