Mets @ Cubs: Lugo vs Tseng (Game 146)

NYM (63-82): RHP Seth Lugo (6-4, 4.64)
CHC (79-66): RHP Jen-ho Tseng (0-0, —)
First pitch: 7:05pmCST

Tseng—not even AZ Phil saw this one coming!—went 13-4 with a 2.54 ERA in a combined 24 starts for Double-A Tennessee and Triple-A Iowa. 

Even the worst-case scenario can’t be worse than the alternative, Montgomery, who gave up 4 ER 2+ innings against the Brewers on Saturday. At least this will be interesting. None of the Mets have faced him. Even the Cubs might not be able to pick him out of a crowd.

Lugo beat the Reds his last time out (6 IP, 0 ER, 4 K, 1 BB). He’s 4-3 with a  5.74 on the road this season. Overall, the Cubs are 3-12 against him. Martin is 1-2 with a HR.

Martinez (11-10) and the Cardinals are in for another weekend of division baseball starting tomorrow at 1:20pmCST. Lackey (11-11) gets the start. Let’s not get swept.

Go Tseng! Welcome to the Show, kid.


"Let’s not get swept." Can we get the marketing department to work on a better slogan?

Good copy will cost you.

Taylor Davis is catching tonight.

tseng is the youngest cub starter making a debut since sergio meattray in 2003 hopefully he can do better than 3.2ip 10h 3bb 0k, 8r/er

Mitre Sergio

There's a name from the past. Sergio had some really impressive numbers in MiLB. I think he hung around the Bigs for a short while.

Still pitching in the Mexican League. With pony tails.

awesome and awesome.

Strange how your memory works, but I remember Mitre's debut. He had a bunch of family there, it was on the road and and it was very ugly. I think he got sent back down immediately after the game. My lasting memory was a quote from someone in the Cubs organization who basically said his stuff isn't very good but he competes out there.

a.russell ran bases and hit in the cage today without issue...could rejoin the club next week at some point.

I don't get it: Albert has 6 RBI. Against a righty. Yet singles-slashing Jon Jay, who has been sinkng for the last six weeks gets the start. Nice.

Mets pitcher is a couple games back from DL, likely on a pitch count. Albert one of the hackier Cubs hitters while Jay will make him work. All I can figure.

Jay in Sept -- 5-27 with 0 XBH. Now 5-28 with 0 XBH.

6 pitches in and maddon might want to warm up the pen...maybe...

woo...he survives a sketchy 1st where he didn't do himself many favors. 1 run scored.

A little shaky -- leadoff BB, fielding error, HBP -- but he only gives up one run. But, the no-htter is still intact. OK, kid. Deep breath and go get 'em.

t.davis isn't known to be a great catcher with the glove or arm, but tseng has a slight pause in his delivery that pretty much gives the runner an extra step or 2. doesn't seem like he pitches from the stretch much different than how he pitches with none on.

new rule: when every game counts let's not have AAA exhibition night in september

cubs tie! i almost forgot the cubs were playing the mets. woo.

This is cute and all, but can we end this experiment now?

I'm really beginning to dislike Maddon, sorry. There's a lot of Dusty in this dude.

Can you even fathom how much differently we would view Maddon had the Cubs lost game 7, with Chapman giving up a run in the 9th. We'd be out with pitch forks by now.

at least montgomery will get stretched out in relief. hah...sigh. cubs only down 1 run vs the mets. there's hope.

Just like last night, Baez can score a run if he can just put his bat on the ball. Just like last night, he can't.

Seems a wee bit harsh considering he was 4-5 last night. But, the fact that the Cubs are 1-8 with RISP and stranded 2 runners at 3rd after them being there with only 1 out says a lot.

Point taken.

@Jackstraw... You are making no sense.... Javy went 5 for 9 over the last two games and scored 5 runs. I swear, it seems like some people are watching a last place team, and not the first place Cubs.

See above.

On second thought....Javy Baez has the talent to be the best player in baseball. He can be Michael Jordan...both the best offensive player and best defensive player. And, just from the eye test, he is currently a poor situational hitter. He could have added two RBI to his impressive totals of the last two games with a different approach. I hope over the next few years he learns how to do that. And I really really hope he does all of it as a Cub. Whether he was 5 for 9 or 0 for 9 doesn't change any of what I said about his situational hitting abilities at present. Nor does the Cubs position in the standings.

I think he has made a lot of progress this year -- going up the middle and to the opposite field a lot more. His first hit last night was a solid line drive to right-center field. We are beginning to see how good he can be -- since the A-S break, in 53 games (roughly 1/3 of a season) -- .296 BA, .345 OBP, 12 HR and 36 RBI, plus 6 SB. Translates to 36 HR and 108 RBI over a full season. Still too many bad strikeouts, but I think playing every day has really made him a much better hitter.

the's like playing a AAA's awesome.

Hey, I had the best idea ever. Bryant with runners not in scoring position = MVP Bryant with runners in scoring position = Scrub (tonight not included) Kris Bryant = Cubs 2018 lead off man.

Oddly, even in 2017 when he is performing super poorly relative to himself with RISP, he's still better than league average. And that's with a .222 BABIP.

Cubs versus Brewers = 3 runs in 27 innings Cubs versus Mets = 33 runs in 21+ innings Cubs versus Cardinals = 2 runs in 27 innings

CLE ties in the bottom 9th. neat.

CLE WINS!!! #22! the home crowd is playoff quality hype. crazy stuff.

"the home crowd is playoff quality hype. crazy stuff." When they make a documentary 20 years from now about what happened if there was no rain delay in Game 7 2016, and the Indians walked off to win the WS....they'll use footage from that fan celebration today.

I happened to be in Cleveland on business on the night of Game 7 last year (the meeting was planned months in advance). I wore a Cubs sweatshirt to the airport the following day -- and at least 10 Cleveland fans came up to me and said they were so happy for the Cubs, and that if Cleveland couldn't win, they were happy the Cubs did. Several actually shook my hand and congratulated me. My brother-in-law took his 9-year old son to game 7, dressed in Cubs gear, and said the Indians fans around them could not have been nicer. So -- if the Cubs don't repeat, I'm all in on the Indians. Between the Indians and the Browns droughts, Cleveland fans deserve a champion. I know LeBron and the Cavs won, but winning a World Series or Super Bowl is so much bigger than winning an NBA (or NHL) championship.

I'm in your car. If the Cubs don't get in. I think they will make it out of the AL regardless.

I'll be rooting against Cleveland advancing just because I hate hearing broadcast crews use the word "Indian" especially in combination with other announcer language.

heyward finally hits HR #10. this mets pitching sure is something. 9 run cubs lead on 14 runs total in the bottom 6th.

"14 runs total in the bottom 6th." Wow, that's a big inning.

it was all included, not 1 inning. they "only" scored 5 in the 6th. i didn't use best english words in that sentence none too good enough for making it the clearest about the point.

You've been reading those Chinese instructions on "how to assemble a wok" again haven't you.

i buy a lot of things direct from china and one of the best parts is the instruction manuals. it still amazes me that in the internet age where finding talent and moving money is easy, a lot of product producers don't spend a few bucks to outsource their technical writing for a final "clean up" of the language.

Wow! Heyward just crushing Mets pitching! I hate the Mets. Not as much as the Cards, but thrilled we can beat their asses for a bit.

Hatred Meter: 1. St. Louis 2. St. Louis 3. St. Louis 4. Mets 5. Padres 6. St. Louis

So, items 1-3 - not much room between them? Awesome. I know the Dodgers would crack my Top 5 Hatred Meter.

Shifting from teams to individuals, Braun tops 'em all.

1. Milton Bradley 2. Turd Hundley 3. Will Clark 4. Garry Templeton 5. Steve Garvey

It was a miracle that Jim Hendry got ANY value in trading Todd. Miracle.

Cubs with a dicey nine-run lead.

"hold my beer. i'm going in." - justin grimm

My specific worry. Or his left-handed twin.

I had to read this again this AM. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you, CRUNCH. "Hold my beer, I'm going in."

ditto, just catching up this morning, a literal LOL.

f.pena throws 8 pitches for 3 outs with 2Ks. damn.

Cubs averaged 1 run per game against the Brewers and 13 against the Mets. What say we take the average -- 7 per game -- and apply it to the Cardinal series? I have watched a lot of baseball over the years -- don't know that I've ever seen an MLB team as bad as these Mets. My goodness.

franchise record for the mets for most runs given up in a 3 game series

2012 Chicago Cubs

LOL on game ending on out at Home down 8 runs.

Cubs take care of business against the Mets, while the Brewers and Cards both drop one to inferior teams. In a September pennant race, "winning series" doesn't cut it -- every game is precious. Cubs add a game to their lead, and now are 0.5 up on Colorado.

Still don't see any possibility that the Cubs lose 3 games in the division, but remain ahead of the two other teams for the WC. I suppose either the Brewers or Cards could win out while the other team AND colorado falters, but seems highly unlikely. Division champ or bust.

You touched on the basic idea. Let's say St. Louis goes 13-2 the rest of the way and the Cubs only go 9-7. It's nice to know they still have a shot if the Rockies happen to go 9-7 or worse over the same stretch. Not that a one-game do-or-die road trip to Arizona is a great blessing, but the Cubs have officially reached the "survive and advance" portion of the season.

I think the more likely (but still unlikely) math is that the Brewers finish strong (13-3 or 12-4)-- they have an easy schedule, particularly given this weekend's gift of playing Miami at home rather than on the road. The Cubs could split 2-2 with them while going 8-8 or 9-7 and finish behind MIL but ahead of COL. Given that the Cubs still play the Cards 7 times, if the Cards finish 13-3 or 12-4, that would most likely come at the Cubs' expense. Hopefully, this is merely an academic exercise.

At this point, whichever of the 3 teams that wins the most remaining games has a good chance for either winning the division or grabbing the wild card away from the Rockies, but the Cubs 3 game cushion is huge with only 2.5 weeks left. Also, as for both teams being able to pass the Cubs (if they falter in head to head matchups), the Cards and Brewers still play a 3 game series to end their season. So one of those 2 teams will lose at least 2 of their last 3 to end the season, while the Cubs are playing the Reds. I just can't see the Cubs laying down and getting swept by either those teams (none of them are just that good). So even if they lose 3 of 4 that's still only a 2 game swing. If they split the series, that's a huge win for the Cubs.

Mets are truly a cautionary tale about not taking the good times for granted. In the World Series in 2105, wild card team in 2016, and now look at them. Enjoy this year!

The Mets reminded me that building a team on young pitching is not likely to result in long term success. I much prefer the Cubs' approach.

One of the downsides of this approach - the biggest - is you need really deep pockets to afford multiple FA stud or very servicable pitchers. I wish the Cubs had pulled the trigger on a Pomerantz trade, however. Red Sox beat them to it/ EDIT: Adding to this - I just looked at the FA starting pitcher list for 2017-2018. It is not good. Of the pitchers not tied to vetting club options, Jake may be the best available.

Fortunately the Cubs have really deep pockets.

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  • crunch 8 hours 55 min ago (view)

    semi-interesting winter league note...

    trey mcnutt (yes, that guy) is having a hell of a winter league in mexico (one of the less talented winter leagues) so far as a closer.  15.2ip 8h 4bb 24k, 0.57 era.

    giants signed him to a minor league deal a couple weeks ago.  he never went anywhere.  he's been consistently playing ball in the minors and indie league ball since he was last a noteworthy player.  last season he played in the OAK minor league system.  30 years old now...


  • jdrnym 15 hours 52 min ago (view)

    Brad Brach signs with the Mets for $850K but the Cubs are paying $500K, per Ken Rosenthal. Wasn't his 2020 club only supposed to be on the hook for league minimum?


  • crunch 16 hours 29 min ago (view)

    when he got to the mets he suddenly learned how to throw with control (small sample size etc).  last year was not a fun bullpen year...


  • crunch 18 hours 45 min ago (view)

    Yeah, I've made myself familiar with a lot of the changes, but AZP's posts have both added more information and cleared up stuff I didn't fully grasp.  I appreciate the hell out of it.  Thanks Phil, thanks TCR.


  • bradsbeard 20 hours 28 min ago (view)

    Looks like Savant has his breaking pitch classified as a curve while Fangraphs calls it a slider. Suppose by ST he could have made everything over in the pitching lab, so who knows!


  • Arizona Phil 20 hours 44 min ago (view)

    Again, none of these rules (including the one that requires a pitcher to face a minimum of three batters or else record the final out of the inning) have been officially approved.  

    I think one possible caveat that might be added to the three-batter minimum rule would be that the pitcher can be replaced prior to facing three batters or recording the final out of the inning if the other team puts up a pinch-hitter. 


  • Arizona Phil 20 hours 48 min ago (view)

    Ptchers would also be treated differently under the new rules as far as the Injured list and Optional Assignment to the minors is concerned, with pitchers having to spend at least 15 days (up from 10 days) on the Injured List before being eligible to be reinstated and at least 15 days (up from 10 days) on Optional Assignment before being eligible to be recalled (inless the pitcher is being recalled to replace a pitcher on the 26-man roster who has been placed on an MLB inactive list).  


  • Arizona Phil 20 hours 48 min ago (view)

    SONICWIND: As the rule is proposed, prior to the start of each MLB regular season a club must designate all players on its Opening Day 26-man roster as either a "pitcher" or a "position player." A maximum of 13 can be designated as pitchers (14 pitchers max when rosters expand from 26 to 28 beginning on 9/1). 

    For players who come up during the season, the club must designate the player as either a pitcher or a position player when the player is placed on the MLB active list roster. 


  • Arizona Phil 21 hours 1 min ago (view)

    BRADSBEARD: Fangraphs shows the CT as his primary pitch in 2018 with the SL & FB (and an occasional CH) as his secondary pitches, with no CV at all. I guess I'll find out for sure in Spring Training. 


  • Sonicwind75 22 hours 17 min ago (view)

    AZ Phil, thank you as always for the detailed information.  How is the "cannot be a pitcher" part of the rule to be enforced?  With a few two way players and the increasing amount of mop up innings being handled by position players it seems like there could be a gray area there.  What is preventing a team from stashing an athletic relief pitcher as a "5th outfielder" that could be a pinch runner and play a passable OF when needed but could also provide them with extra relief pitcher.  Anytime I hear of a new rule I always think of how Bill Billichek would circumvent it t


  • bradsbeard 22 hours 18 min ago (view)

    AZ Phil, looking around Baseball Savant, it looks like Winkler now primarily throws a low 90s cutter, a 4-seamer that he throws a little harder (but is less effective), a curve and a sinker. The slider and change haven't been a major part of his repertoir the last two years. The cutter has been really effective the last two years but it looks like he lost command/effectiveness of his 4-seemer and curve last year For whatever reason  


  • bradsbeard 1 day 1 hour ago (view)

    They just signed this guy:


  • Hagsag 1 day 2 hours ago (view)

    There seems to be a lot of player movement so far. Too bad the Cubs aren't involved.


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 18 hours ago (view)

    Beginning in 2019, a club must wait a minimum of seven days before it can place a player who was claimed off Outtright Assignment Waivers during the off-season back onto waivers, so because he was claimed off waivers on Wednesday 11/27, yesterday (Wednesday 12/4) was the first day the Cubs could place LHRP C. D. Pelham back onto Outright Assignment Waivers, and so tomorrow (Friday 12/6) is the first day the Cubs can send Pelham outright to the minors (if he was placed back onto waivers yesterday).


  • Arizona Phil 2 days 15 hours ago (view)

    A Competitive Balance draft slot can be traded only during a period of time starting on December 2nd and extending up until two hours prior to the MLB First-Year Player Draft (MLB Rule 4 Draft), so don't be surpised if these draft picks are traded during the off-season.

    Keep in mind that the slot cannot be traded for cash unless it is a financial adjustment made to offset the salary of one or more of the players involved in the trade.


  • Arizona Phil 2 days 15 hours ago (view)

    The active list roster limit changes scheduled to go in effect in 2020 have not yet been officially approved. Same goes for the three-batter minimum (or else record the third out in the inning) for relief pitchers.