The March to Mediocrity

GAME 141 IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CHICAGO CUBS (69-71) @ SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS (63-76) SBC PARK, 9:15 pm CDT, TV: CSN, KTVU
Matt Cain, RHP
1-1, 2.25 ERA
6/5 K/BB, 1 HR in 12.0 IP
Jerome Williams, RHP
5-7, 4.77 ERA
56/36 K/BB, 12 HR in 88.2 IP
LF Jerry Hairston Jr. CF #Randy Winn
SS #Neifi Perez SS #Omar Vizquel
1B Derrek Lee 1B *J.T. Snow
RF *Jeromy Burnitz LF Moises Alou
3B Nomar Garciaparra 2B #Ray Durham
2B #Todd Walker 3B Pedro Feliz
C Michael Barrett RF #Dave Ortmeier
CF *Corey Patterson C Mike Matheny
P Jerome Williams P Matt Cain
Jerome Williams gets a chance to pitch at his old haunt, while attempting to gain enough Dusty points to keep him in mind for next year's rotation. For the Giants, it's one of their top propsects, 20-year-old Matt Cain on the mound. The Giants 1st round pick in 2002, his ascent through the system has been swift and for the most part justifiable. After putting up a respectable season in AA ball at age 19 last year (6-4, 3.35 ERA,40 BB, 72 K, 7 HR, 86.0 IP), he followed it with an average year at AAA Fresno (10-5, 4.39 ERA, 73 BB, 176 K, 22 HR, 145.2 IP). Considering he won't reach his 21st birthday until October 1st, that's not too shabby, not to mention the PCL is certainly a hitter's league. His numbers look like the perfect candidate to be a Cub, don't they? Lots of K's, lots of walks and lots of home runs allowed. Baseball America had him rated as the Giants top prospect before the season and possessing the top curveball in the whole system. He ranked as the 13th best prospect in all of baseball as well. As for the Cubbies, the march to .500 continues, player development be damned. I'll be at the game tomorrow and with the Giants throwing out righty Brad Hennessey, it's unlikely I'll get to see both Murton and Cedeno play and potentially neither. Wouldn't mind seeing them in person. I do get to see Prior pitch which is always fun and could be made more fun if he plunked Barry Bonds right in the armguard (if he happens to play). Go Cubs and Congratulations to the Jaxx, who swept their first round series tonight with an 11-2 thrashing of the Carolina Mudcats!!!

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A small sample of 31 games indicates that Baker would be making a huge mistake in benching Murton. Here's the Cubs record with Murton playing: [1] 17-14 .548 in games he's played (89-73 projected) [2] 11-8 .579 in games he's started (94-68 projected) Now the breakdown on the improving Cedeno: [1] 13-26 in games he's played (54-108 projected) [2] 8-11 in games started (68-94 projected) However, the Cubs are 5-5 .500 in games where Murton & Cedeno start - they're hardly hurting the team while learning to play at the Major League level and no worse than the seasoned veterans considering their 69-71 .493 record. The cool thing is that the team is now 4-2 .667 with Murton & Cedeno in the line-up since Murton was recalled when Ramirez became disabled, and they're 5-1 .833 in games Murton has played since returning and they're 5-3 .625 in games played by Cedeno since he returned on August 26th. SOURCE: Yahoo Sports game log statistics for Murton & Cedeno.

My head hurts.

All of that means nothing.

Cubs playoff odds have risen back above 1%. Who's got pennant fever?

How Dusty like, Cedeno goes 3 for 5 yesterday and the next day he sits.

This is a lineup only Todd Walker can like... Hairy in LF leads off Neifi hitting 2nd CPat batting 8th at least Walker isn't riding the bench which is more than our rookie heros can say dusty wants them to sit next to Macias so that they can learn from a bench expert

andruw jones hit his 46th homer tonight, a 3 run blast. Bummer.. Clemens has given up 3 runs already in 2 innings AND it's a road game...Craziness

5 runs and 5 walks off Clemens in 3 innings in Milwaukee...wonder if his back is acting up again

Hopefully we dont hear about Clemens roid rumors now. While I think its more likely than not he was a user than not until you have HARD evidence that someone was a user you shouldnt say he is a roid user. Back to the Cubs I hope Cpat sprains an ankle tonight or some other SMALL injury that takes away his season. I could live with Perez over Cedeno because Neifi is a team leader out there, but to play Pat who cant hit over a guy who has all the makings of a future batting title champ is unexusable.

Dusty's head is made of concrete fuckin' asshole

Giants took a 2-1 lead in the 6th, good news is that it Hawkins stands a good chance to come in now.

Since the Cubs have no chance...you gotta be impressed with a rookie coming in and throwing a 1 hitter through 8 innings.

Another rookie shuts the Cubs down. 3 pitches for the final 3 outs. No wonder no one was in ParaChat.

In fairness to Cain, he's a good rookie.

In any other universe, not playing Murton and Cedeno at this point in the season would be a firable offense, so why does Dusty do it and why does Hendry put up with it? I'm so close to just comletely giving up on the Cubs for good it's scary. If they sign Macias for another year that will seal it. I still don't understand why Grudz couldn't have remained part of the team. He's cheaper than Neifi and better, too.

Some notes from the papers this morning: * Sully think Cubs might ask Nomar to play LF next year. This leaves Murton without a position. Of course Murton playing RF cant be worse than Sosa from 02-04. With a shorter CF at Wrigley he could probably play there. Any ways all 4 papers are saying that Kiley's report is wrong. * According to the AZ republic the D-backs might trade Chad Tracy. We should get him. He hitting .300 or above. He could play all 4 corner positions giving a reliable back-up for Ram and Lee.

Nomar in left field? Oh, please say it is not true! It just makes me realize how good we had it when we had Dave Kingman out there in left. Yeah, he was a poor fielder but at least he could hit home runs and he drove in a lot of runs. And he was pretty healthy for the most part. Nomar? Would he really be a lot better defender than Dave? We would be very lucky to get 20 home runs out of Nomar and I do not see him driving in more than 80 runs in a year, if he can stay healthy that is, which I call a longshot. So please let's not sign Nomar. Can't we please get a real left fielder again?

FYI CHIFAN - Tracy is butcher in the OF. He may be able to learn, but right now he's bad. If the Cubs could get him for basically nothing, fine. Otherwise they should pass.

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  • Arizona Phil 12 hours 37 min ago (view)

    AAA leagues really need to play through the month of September, because with September rosters being limited to 28 instead of 40, players will need to be moved back & forth between MLB and AAA throughout the month of September instead of just through the month of August. 

     

  • Mike Wellman 1 day 20 hours ago (view)

    I get you, SW. Here in Des Moines, Cardinal fans flocked to I-Cub games when Memphis Redbirds were in town. That won't happen in '21 and even if it does in '22 & beyond it won't be as frequent as when they were in the same division. Not that I'll miss seeing Cardinal gear @ our ballpark...

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 21 hours ago (view)

    Ervin claimed by Braves. So we lose a potential future (and also current) asset in exchange for one year of a very mediocre Jake Marisnick.

    This team has no direction at the moment.

     

  • Sonicwind75 1 day 21 hours ago (view)

    As a midwest kid now living in Texas, new scheduling is a bummer.  Only get a chance to drive and see Cubs once every 3 years with interleague.  Really looked forward to those games in Round Rock and the one season in San Antonio.  I understand it makes more sense in the big picture, just selfishly disappointed.

     

  • Cubster 2 days 23 hours ago (view)

    Barry Foote bobble day! Cool!

     

  • Mornington Crescent 3 days 57 min ago (view)

    They also gave away Larry Craig bobblefoot dolls as a promotion.

     

  • crunch 3 days 17 hours ago (view)

    alcantara passes through waivers and is assigned to AAA.

    marisnick contract final, phllip ervin (OF) DFA'd

     

  • Hagsag 3 days 19 hours ago (view)

    Yes they did.

     

  • crunch 3 days 19 hours ago (view)

    welcome to the "big time" st paul saints...they built a nice park, the fans showed up, and they go from indies to AAA (with a bit of $ help from the twins for part ownership).

    billy murray is a part owner of the group that owns the saints, btw.

     

  • Mike Wellman 3 days 20 hours ago (view)

    Hagsag, the River Bandits made the cut tho, right?

     

  • Craig A. 3 days 21 hours ago (view)

    Could have an option year remaining.  Bleacher Nation walked it back, per the link above.

     

  • Hagsag 3 days 22 hours ago (view)

    Living in the Quad Cities area, I look forward to hopefully coming to Des Moines to see the I Cubs a few times this summer.

     

  • CubbyBlue 3 days 23 hours ago (view)

    SERIOUSLY!

     

  • CTSteve 3 days 23 hours ago (view)

    It was time. 

     

  • Hagsag 4 days 6 hours ago (view)

    Love it Jackstraw.

     

  • Arizona Phil 4 days 14 hours ago (view)

    The Cubs have signed OF Cameron Maybin to a 2021 minor league contract.

    Because he was an Article XX-B MLB free-agent post-2020, he gets the automatic $100K retention bonus and June 1st player opt-out if he is not released or added to the MLB 40-man roster by MLB Opening Day.