Golden Gloves

Awards season has started and a Cub walked away with some gold glove hardware. This is Derrek Lee's third glove of the golden variety and while he probably didn't deserve it (most metrics show Albert Pujols as the superior NL first basemen), he won nonetheless. The full list: American League P - Johan Santana C - Ivan Rodriguez 1B - Kevin Youklis 2B - Placido Polanco SS - Orlando Cabrera 3B - Adrian Beltre OF - Torii Hunter, Grady Sizemore, Ichiro Suzuki National League P - Greg Maddux (Gold Glove #17, you have a sense he'll still be collecting these after he retires) C - Russ Martin 1B - Derrek Lee 2B - Orlando Hudson SS - Jimmy Rollins 3B - David Wright OF - Carlos Beltran, Andruw Jones, Jeff Francouer/Aaron Rowand (the two tied in voting) I don't have access today to the usual defensive metrics I follow, but for the most part that seems about right other than Ryan Braun should have won for NL third basemen (I kid, I kid). Last time I did check, Troy Tulowitzki was way ahead among NL shortstops but they don't give Gold Gloves to rookies. Congrats to Derrek Lee! ----- Also a quick update that Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000 is reporting that Ryan Dempster will be moved into the starting rotation for next season. I'm going to just hope that he gets traded before it ever actually gets there. UPDATE: What some of the defensive metrics say about the NL gold glove winners after the jump.... The Hardball Times RZR: NL 1B - Pujols (Lee was 5th) 2B - Brandon Phillips (Hudson was 9th) SS - Omar Vizquel (Rollins was 9th) 3B - Pedro Feliz (Wright was 5th, Aramis was 4th) OF - Andruw Jones, Carlos Beltran, Eric Byrnes Defensive Win Shares calculated at The Hardball Times C- Chris Snyder (Martin 2nd) 1B - Derrek Lee (Pujols 5th) 2B - Brandon Phillips (Hudson 2nd) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (Rollins 9th) 3B - Ryan Zimmerman (Wright 3rd, Aramis 2nd) OF - Andruw Jones, Chris Young, Carlos Beltran Baseball Prospectus RAA2 (Runs Above Average) (I don't know a way to sort this so I just checked some of the top players, if you find someone that rates higher, let me know.) C- Yadier Molina (21) 1B - Albert Pujols (24) 2B - Brandon Phillips (27) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (31) 3B - Aramis Ramirez (25) OF - Eric Byrnes (22), Jacque Jones (13 in CF), Alfonso Soriano (21) John Dewan's +/- System 1B - Albert Pujols (+37) 2B - Chase Utley (+22) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (+35) 3B - Pedro Feliz (+27) OF - Eric Byrnes (+28), Carlos Beltran (+25 ), Andruw Jones (+24) Some of these aren't very fair comparisions as they'll compare left fielders to other left fielders and so forth and I bunched them up like the Gold Glove awards do into just outfielders. I think the awards should be separated into LF, CF and RF myself, but for some reason the Gold Glove committee hasn't caught on quite yet.


David Wright gold glove---that's a joke---21 errrors and fielding % of .954-----ARam---10 errors and fielding % of .972----I know Wright had 100 more chances, but the fielding % tells the better defender

GG a joke? r.palmeiro disagrees.

background for those that may not know... in 99 palmeiro won the GG (after winning it 2 years prior somewhat legitimately) after playing a grand total of 28 games there. the people who claimed the voters barely paid attention to the game, itself, and voted on name-brand popularity were given a gift of proof that couldnt have been more properly packaged and delivered than that incident.

Who votes on the Golden Glove awards?

GG is a joke for the most part but David Wright did deserve it. Fielding percentage/errors are an extremely flawed way of measuring defense.

is it managers? or managers and coaches?

In the ESPN article, it says Managers and coaches... so, how many coaches, I wonder? Is it just the pitching coach, or would it include the hitting coach, first base coach, third base coach, roving baserunning instructor, etc?

I'm looking at some of the defensive numbers and I might have been wrong about David Wright, seems Ryan Zimmerman or Pedro Feliz were better options. And Aramis and him were neck and neck.

Trading Dempster sounds fine to me. Or if Dempster is moved into the rotation, I would be fine also if that meant Marquis gets traded. Otherwise, I'm not so hot on that idea. The rotation would then be Z, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, Dempster? That's not as good as the 2007 rotation, is it?

I updated the post fwiw with some info on defensive ratings...

oh yeah, apparently that same radio report said Wood, Howry and Marmol would battle for the closer duties in spring training if Wood is re-signed.

Romero: "Trading Dempster sounds fine to me. Or if Dempster is moved into the rotation, I would be fine also if that meant Marquis gets traded." I agree. Having both Marquis and Dempster in the rotation is a recipe for disaster, IMO. I think next year Marquis will only get worse and Dempster will be right in line with his previous career starting numbers. quotes from Beinfest, Dombrowski, Hendry about how Arod doesn't make sense financially.

one of the cub starters are get traded probally marshall although there are a couple others that would be better. maybe we can attach marshall to either dempster or marquis

if hendry wanted to trade dempster he could probably find 29 takers (unless he's injured). guy makes 5.5m and is on the hook for 1 year...j.piniero started off the 08 FA season snagging a 2yr/13m deal.

The thing about fielding metrics for first basemen is that they don't include error prevention of the other infielders, where Lee reigns supreme. My recollection is that the Cubs had very few throwing errors. I don't know a site that shows that but I would be extremely suprised if they didn't have the fewest in the league.

Real Neal, you may be right on that and maybe that explains it. I was actually a bit surprised when I found out DLee won. Maybe I'm getting jaded from watching him play, but he seemed to be a step slow all season around the bag. There were many plays in which I thought to myself, "he would have made that play two years ago." Maybe he just raised the bar so high in '04 and '05 that even his '07 version couldn't measure up.

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  • crunch 1 hour 19 min ago (view)

    heyward / cast / bryant / rizzo / baez / schwarb / caratini / kemp(2nd) / Q


  • crunch 2 hours 40 min ago (view)

    so stoked for the williamsport game.

    the increasing amount of off-site games is a bit concerning (middle of nowhere Field of Dreams field, really?), but I love this one.  it's played out great so far and giving the kids playing in the LL series some primo seats (hope this continues) is a great touch.


  • Arizona Phil 4 hours 1 min ago (view)

    Craig Kimbrel reinstated from IL, Duane Underwood Jr optioned to Iowa, Mark Zagunis recalled as the "26th man" for tonight's game (special travel required to get to Williamsport so MLB Comissioner permits 26th man for both clubs). 


  • crunch 22 hours 16 min ago (view)

    at least...


  • Charlie 23 hours 10 min ago (view)

    Lester pitched 35 innings today.


  • crunch 1 day 1 hour ago (view)

    2019...cubs fan...being thankful heyward and chatwood are


  • Eric S 1 day 2 hours ago (view)

    Like having a 5-1 lead going into the ninth?


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    With our vaunted late inning tandem of Tyler Chatwood and Rowan Wick!

    Who would have thought?


  • Jackstraw 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    Cubs 1-10 with RISP in the series.  Left lots of ducks on the pond.  Could take some of the pressure off the pen.


  • Jackstraw 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    You could hit your thumb with a hammer.  Or take a big bite of wayyyy too hot pizza.  Just sayin.


  • Eric S 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    I’m a little surprised and confused that Bote wasn’t in the infield in the ninth? Wth - need that one out boot to complete my day


  • crunch 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    cubs win!  about time.


  • Eric S 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    Cubs have to scratch mightily to get two runs against the mighty second half buccos


  • crunch 1 day 4 hours ago (view)

    K, diving catch by happ for an out, HBP to load the bases, ground out


    PIT has loaded the bases 3 times in this game.


  • crunch 1 day 4 hours ago (view)

    ...and we're doing more 0 out, men on base stuff...

    2 on, 0 outs...up to 103 pitches and lester's day is done.

    bullpen time.  oh. boy.  neat.

    chatwood in.


  • crunch 1 day 4 hours ago (view)

    bryant has not forgotten how to hit homers.