Game 96 Thread / Cubs @ Astros (1 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Brian Moehler
9-6, 4.68, 108 K, 41 BB, 115.1 IP
5-4, 4.28, 44 K, 24 BB, 75.2 IP
SS Ryan Theriot 2B #Kaz Matsui
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF *Darin Erstad
1B Derrek Lee 1B #Lance Berkman
3B Aramis Ramirez LF Carlos Lee
C Geovany Soto SS Miguel Tejada
CF *Jim Edmonds 3B Hunter Pence
LF Mark DeRosa RF Ty Wigginton
2B *Mike Fontenot C J.R. Towles
P *Ted Lilly P Brian Moehler

 

The second half is upon us and the Cubs trot out Ted Lilly to start it...for some reason. I assume it was to give Z and Dempster an extra day after their All-Star appearances and to limit Rich Harden as much as possible before he goes on a 27 inning scoreless streak in the playoffs. Nonetheless, Lilly's homer-happy ways will be on display tonight with the ever-present Crawford boxes looming in short left field. If he can manage a win, he'll join Dempster and Zambrano in the 10-win club.

Before the game, the Cubs with a right foot strain (same foot that cost him most of last year) and recalled Micah Hoffpauir. 

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On the DL? C'mon! He has sat on a bench for most of the first 100 games! He has been in 25, and only thrown 44 innings. He certainly got "plenty of rest". This cannot be a "legitimate" injury. Can it?

What is going on with Fukudome? The guy seems to have lost quite a bit of plate discipline lately.

The league has more than figured Fukudome out at this point. In fact you can get him to take strikes and swing at balls :(...ugly ugly.

wow...that sucked.

And Rich Hill sucked too. He started out well (as someone in the previous thread noted) but Len and Bob reported he ended up giving up 6 runs and had 4 walks in I think only 3 innings of work.

wuertz, AAA 1ip 1h 0bb 1k (16 pitches, 11 strikes, 0 runs)

Didn't help that all 3 inherited runners scored after Hill was pulled from the game too. On the positive, at least no HRs surrendered.

Central Division Leaders on June 11 Cubs 42-24 +101 RS-RA St.L 40-27 +44 Milw 34-31 -5 Since June 11 Milw 18-12 +26 RS-RA Cubs 15-15 +4 St.L 15-16 -16 St. Louis remains an enigma. TL is a magician. Milwaukee's big boost has been thanks in large part (some might say entirely) to CC Sabathia's 3-0 record, 2 complete games(that makes 5 on the year now), and 24 innings pitched in 3 starts. That said, if the Brewers continue to play .600 baseball they project out to a 92-70 season. The Cubs need to finish 36-30 to beat 'em.

You mean the Cubs still went .500 during a stretch where one by one they lost their best starting pitcher, their best reliever and 2 of their best hitters? Lou must be a wizard.

What's magical about playing .500 ball when you outscore your opponents?

you play 1.000 ball when you outscore your opponents. aggregates mean nothing out of context. cubs played PIT like 12+ times or something crazy early on...amongst other things. what does matter is that not many think this team can't be a playoff caliber team. they're good if not spectacular is almost all aspects of team construction (from starters to bench) all over. the best? probably not. one of the best? yeah.

But the context is obvious. MLB won-loss records roughly obey this formula: Winning Percentage = RS ²/(RS ² + RA ²) When RA = RS, Winning Percentage = .500 When RA > RS, Winning Percentage > .500

the context is not obvious. i can come up with a dozen contexts to put it in...ones that include past games, ones that look at individual games, ones that look at strength of schedule. the "roughly" part should tell you things are not so obvious. also RA > RS = WP > .500? its not true for the opposite, either, more just just occasionally...toronto, dodgers, arizona and atlanta right now don't follow it...

Apparently MY context wasn't that obvious to navigator so i'll spell it out: When you don't have 4 of your best players, it's a whole heck of a lot harder to win games.

Best news of the road trip: Gonna miss both Webb and Haren in AZ.

have we seen the last of jon lieber till september i hear his injury could linger for about 6 weeks.

does it matter? I'm much more worried about "July" Kosuke (.152 .204 .239 .443) and "Road" Kosuke (.207 .310 .290 .600 ) right now. What's plan B if he doesn't figure it out??

srumpbuster !!! /i keed

there's only 1 plan-B for RF unless lou loses his mind again and thinks D.Ward is a RF'r...derosa. i know he likes hoffPOWER, but i dont think anyone is crazy enough to put him in RF. not a bad plan-B...not very exciting from a defensive point of view, though not an awful option in RF...leaves 2nd to be covered by fontegod. mmm depth. yum. good stuff.

At least we don't have this joker patrolling our outfield: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=... click on the WRAP tab and the "Izturis gets a triple..." video clip.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=222083 going to AZ Phil land on Monday and then Iowa for 2 games. Eyre should be back Monday. Kerry probably not available until tomorrow's game.

Earth to Gordon Wittenmeyer: If that comes to pass then let the record show that he was out MORE than 6 weeks and lay to rest this apocryphal crap that he's a superfast healer. So far as a Cub, Soriano is more of an injury looking for a way to happen.

You articulate good.

Uh yeah. what he said.

I had almost the exact same injury as Soriano back in March, and 6 weeks and 3 days later I was back playing softball with almost no noticeable difference. I also started playing a couple weeks before my orthopedist gave me the official go-ahead as well. His bones might not heal faster than the average human's, but he's not behind at all either. His bones are healing right on schedule with what my doctor told me. I'm pretty sure the whole "fast-healer" thing is just Fonzie being optimistic. It's not like he's some superhero or something.

So far as a commenter, you are a Troll waiting to happen.

waiting? on mvn there were plenty of diatribes of personal greatness mixed with actual useful info without his commentary and demands mixed in. its really great when he calls people idiots, morons, stupid, or etc. you get that once a week at least yet he keeps preferring the company of idiots, morAns, and the stupid. fire up your browser and check out some classics by him off mvn.com TCR site... he's done this on other msg boards, too. at least its consistent...i guess. while you're at it check out some old 'silent towel' posts and remind yourself it could be worse. at least nav. brings some good info occasionally.

Oh c'mon now! what about the "bubble gum cards", the "used infield rake" and my personal favorite, the "1/2 can of Simoniz" ??? That was gold, Crunch, gold! (wink)

end o subject

murton got his first oakland double today...2 for 4, 1k 0bb...

I remember my first "oakland double." I was limping for a week.

Score one for Brick.

thanks NL west teams for handing games to the brewers and cards....been watching both, this is really gross. wow. still time for the cards and brew to blow it, of course.

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  • crunch 7 hours 12 min ago (view)

    don't worry, i'm sure even though he was spared from cuts there's some hardship he's being tortured with that he has to unfairly overcome.  #coreystrong #onthecross #yolo #swag #kony2012

     

  • crunch 7 hours 13 min ago (view)

    there's no way a system like that or something similar to that would work.

    "oh hi." - green bay packers

    *shoves out of way*

    like i said, there's no way that would work.

     

  • Hagsag 10 hours 9 min ago (view)

    Corey Black still has a job.

     

  • Charlie 10 hours 16 min ago (view)

    I am ready for MLB owners to give it a f***ing rest. I don't have any outrage to spare on them.

    If they can't afford this crisis, maybe they can surrender franchise rights to the players, grounds crew, concession employees, etc., and MLB teams can be employee owned.

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 14 hours 30 min ago (view)

    Couldn't have said it better myself, unfortunately.

     

  • JustSayin' 22 hours 58 min ago (view)

    These players weren't cut/released; laid off is more like it. Fifty-two minor leaguers let go before any real games played, in two waves. The draft will be five rounds this year, not forty.  This is industrial downsizing, anticipating no traditional season this year and capitulation to MLB demands for a much smaller minor league system in 2021.  Next year or 2022 could also see a labor stoppage in the big leagues, over what promises to be a very tough CBA negotiation.  The game will not be what it used to be after this.

     

  • crunch 1 day 2 hours ago (view)

    i don't blame the ownership/font office for doing what they did with bryant.  it was just kinda bad timing that bryant was the client that boras was finally "i'm sick of this" over.  the cubs were warned that boras was going to make a stand and it dragged on so long there has to be some kind of toll on the boras/cubs relationship.

     

  • bigsky33 1 day 2 hours ago (view)

    Hi Phil, yes, hoping for an extended AZ Fall League.  Do you think there will be more cuts?  De La Cruz was the only big sureprise to me. I thought he had some upside. 

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 4 hours ago (view)

    It'll be more over when Kris leaves. Or whenever the same thing happens to another of his clients.

    He isn't wrong though...

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 4 hours ago (view)

    Presuming there is no traditional minor league season in 2020, expect an expanded Arizona Fall League (with potentially a new "Florida Fall League" as well) for the best prospects and expanded post-season instructs for other minor leaguers (all TBA). 

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    My understanding is that the other two Cubs minor leaguers who are to be released are the two post-2019 Article XX-B MLB free-agents who signed 2020 minor league contracts, Brandon Morrow and Jason Kipnis. The Cubs will then supposedly re-sign them to new minor league contracts without the $100K retention bonus and 6/1 opt-out. 

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    CRUNCH: Agreed. Not counting the "4-A" guys, Oscar de la Cruz is the one legit MLB prospect on the list.  

     

  • crunch 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    aww...de la cruz had some decent looking spring outings (though late inning spring work isn't exactly challenging).  the years of injuries insanely slowed his progression.  totally wouldn't mind seeing him return in 2021 if the team would still be on his radar after getting cut at a time like this.

     

  • crunch 1 day 6 hours ago (view)

    that whole "kris bryant thing" is over...but it's never going to be over as long as this ownership group and boras is around.

    boras could have focused this on 29 other teams, especially the more vocal ones because the cubs have been mostly silent.  the cubs aren't the only team out there paying off "creatively financed" loans, either.

    he chose the cubs.

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 12 hours ago (view)

    Not looking forward to seeing that list. Hate to see it when a guy you've invested any sort of energy in is given up on.

     

  • Cubster 1 day 12 hours ago (view)

    Chi Tribune today. Boras picks, and focused on the Ricketts. 

    Headline writer, fun job: Agent won’t let Cubs get away Scott-free Matt York/AP and Paul Sullivan.

    Boras told his players “the game can not be played without you” and asked them to share the concept with teammates and opposing players when “MLB requests further concessions or deferral of salaries” during negotiations.