Are the Cubs About to Land Jake Peavy?

UPDATE: Apparently the NSBB story guy(DonnieD) was vacationing in Puerto Rico, not that he lives there. Apperently some folks at NSBB . I think it's inconsequential. I also think most of the folks on that board have an extra chromosome, especially who thinks Chad's bit of information has anything to do with the NSBB story. They're two mutually exclusive stories pal, I just posted them together - try to figure that out.

So to sum up for the reading impaired, i.e. the posters at NSBB - dude met Jake Peavy at a resort in Puerto Rico and Peavy said he's not going to Atlanta and if he can't end up in Southern California, he wants to be in Chicago. Padres rightfully aren't interested in sending him to the Dodgers and Peavy still would prefer to pitch in the NL.

Then, a completely isolated story was related in the comments by one of our readers, NOT The Cub Reporter or any of its writers. That reader heard something from a source that has been reliable in the past for him. I have no reasons to doubt Chad as he's been at posting at The Cub Reporter longer than I've been writing and Chad may be a lot of things, but he's not a liar. 


Oh, the Internet...the wild west of information and speculation has spewed out a couple of beauties for us. First, a fella that claims to live in Puerto Rico of running into Jake Peavy over on the Read the entire link but he basically says that Peavy only wants to come to the Cubs. There this week, so he's either a good researcher who has weaved together a fantastic story or telling the truth.

Then, long-time reader


My boss has an inside guy in the San Diego Padres front office. Says the deal is done. Just waiting on the announcement.

I will say that a few things that my boss has tipped me off on in the past came true.

Please notice the bold type, but we've known Chad a long time around here and I'm confident he  heard what he heard. It MAY NOT come to pass, as it is a rumor afterall, but I don't have any doubts that is what he was told.

So there you go, if nothing happens, don't blame me, I'm just passing along the information. They are rumors afterall. 


 Howry to Giants stuff, hopefully Sabean is dumb enough to sign him before Dec 1st.

First pick is protected and they'll probably sign another Type A anyway, so what's that about the 100th overall pick? I doubt Sabean will worry too much about that, if they think Howry's going to rebound.

let's hope....

makes no sense. howry is way too young. har...

shopping on mich ave with wife . save me!

havent really had much to say about the peavy thing, but while he's cheap for 1 season the "deal" ends shortly afterward as he gets closer to his "real" market value for the 3 years following 09. i REALLY don't wanna see vitters go for peavy. with ceda gone that takes away a top chip, though. wonder if SD was even interested in ceda given how they value their pen arm (pick up pieces, don't spend a lot, hope what's there clicks).

I wonder why the Padres picked up Giles' contract if they're in such a cost-cutting mode. I really hope we don't trade Vitters. We're not going to get another shot at drafting talent like his in a while (hopefully). $6 million for Randy Johsnon? Where do we sign? Get him anyway, even if we wind up with too many starters, imagine bringing in Johnson in the 7th or 8th to get the lefty heavy lineups (after he gets his 300 wins, of course).

they basically added 6m in payroll (9m contract) for giles over the 3m it'd cost to let him go. he's an ob% machine playing "average" RF. he showed he still has some doubles pop in him last year, too. letting peavy go is probably more about "cashing in via trade" on his 1 cheap year before those next 3 "market value" years kick in. even those following years are on the low-end of market value for what he brings...

$6 million for Randy Johsnon? Where do we sign? Agreed. The Cubs could potentially have Johnson and Gregg for what they would have to pay Wood. Makes Hendry's decision on Wood easier to accept.

not to mention the perks of the 10s of thousands in travel/hotel/food savings you'll get from randy using his AARP card on the road.

NSBB referencing this article now It's gone full circle

that's incestuously hot.

thanks....I posted an update in response to the brainiacs over at NSBB. No offense to "Raisin101" (think he goes by CaliforniaRaisin over there) who can actually add 1+1 together.

Uh oh. I wouldn't want to be in a flaming war with NSBB since I'm also a member over there. But from experience, some of the members there don't exactly think before they type and they get will also get flak from the rest of the NSBB community.

MANILA! A member over THERE? I thought you were better than that.

I am better. I'm also a card carrying member of the Joe Morgan fan club.

Now now, I appreciate the kind words but there's no need to prop up my math skills for no reason.

I think Rob G. meant you could add 100+1

And once again, the rumor I posted may not pan out but I can promise you two things: my boss knows a guy who works in the Padre front office. what i just told you is what my boss told me those things i would swear on. i cannot say that the rumor is true 100% but i have good reason to believe it

yeah, that's exactly how I took it...thanks for sharing.

You should read the level of deduction over at NSBB.

"You should read the level of deduction over at NSBB. " Wow, they've got themselves a regular algonquin tound table over there. I think I just lost some brain cells.

I stand by Chad. As we all know, if this trade doesn't happen, it proves that Chad is a liar. I don't think he's a liar, so the trade will happen. I'm pulling for you Chad.

that's a lot of pressure.

I know, that's why I'm pulling for you.

That's gross. Chad can pull for himself.

Chad is armless. You didn't hear?

Chad has been called a lot of things on this blog (some of them inadvertently by me) but one thing he is not is a liar. Although he does tend to veer into fantasy. Take Chadball for example...

"Grandpa: My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star. "

alright I'm out to enjoy the evening with the family, this better turn out true by the time I get back Chad or you're banned :)

especially this genius who think Chad's bit of information has anything to do with the NSBB story. They're two mutually exclusive stories pal, I just posted them together - try to figure that out Yikes, don't piss off, Rob G.! Chad may be a bitch, but he's our bitch, dagnabbit. I'm getting strange visions of Rob and Chad as Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd.

I would have never gotten that reference...thank you Google.

sadly, Chad and "CA Phil" are the only people associated with TCR that I've ever met in person. I've talked on the phone with Cubnut and Dr. Hecht.

You've never met Phil or even Ruz? Seems strange. Sometimes I get this strange feeling that you, Trans, and Derek Smart are all multiple personalities of the same person, probably Al Yellon.

I'm not sure Phil exists...I think he's just a ghost in the to speak. But if/when I make it to spring training, I'll seek him out.

Trans lives in Arkansas, yeah right.

Ruz moved to the East Coast right about the time I started writing, so we never met up. He's in Chicago now. Hopefully my next visit there to see the parents and brother I can catch up with him, Cubnut  and Dr. Hecht.


Excuse me mr. jerkface! I am no one's bitch. i may be the board's douche but ain't no bitch!

Last I heard you were JimmE's bitch, so that's off?

Mr. Jerkface? That's some weak-ass insult. Care to take another crack?

dingleberry breath? (i wasn't really trying to insult him. i was more kidding than anything)

Pssst.............Jason Schmidt, 3/44 to the Cubs. Heard it from a neighbor of Schmidt's landscaper's third cousin. I think I'll make a 4-letter site post about it. Hot stuff.

At this point I would guess that Chad's boss got some ... faulty information. If a deal that so much of the baseball world has been focusing on over the last three weeks was done several hours ago, I think there would be more info about it.

very possible and probably likely...

maybe Chad can relate to us the timeframe between some of these other tips and when they actually ended up being reported in the media.

for example, he knew they were going to pick up giles contract and trade peavy at least 2 to 3 weeks before the media knew.

the thing is Neal, is that the pads and the cubs could both know that the deal is going to happen but they are still dotting i's and crossing t's.

for fuck's sake; re: Cub Reporter If you feel the need to post something along the lines of "I'm not responsible for this information, it's just a rumor," please take the name "reporter" out of your title. some people take the Internet too seriously...

wait...a blog is held to the same standards as the new york times? especially one who had as a main factor of leaving it's last home not being able to use the word "shit" in the headlines... it's a baseball deals in facts AND rumors AND pure wild-ass speculation that all gets to fly as long as it's properly noted what we're dealing with. some people...damn...

See, I would go over and make fun of them, but I've turned a new leaf. Reporting rumors as rumors I think falls in the realm of 'reporting'.

i just don't understand how information can be spelled out exactly from source with instructions on how the general user should process this information (cited various times, btw) and yet some people still can't figure out what's going on. it was a pretty cut/dry rumor with a site-user-familiar name and multiple disclaimers.

Bear in mind, this is the same criticism that has been thrown at MLB us. I support throwing out rumors, though. It's a rumor, bitches, no one said it's a fact.

I think the MLB Traderumors site likes to say things like 'my sources tell me', which is a bit different than what Chad said here, though mostly now they're just a clearing house for articles with rumors and speculation by the professionals.

I think this is just slightly different than the most of the nonsense at MBLTR. A lot of times the things that annoy people over there are things that are reported as rumors, but are really just wild speculation/wishes made by reporters without any source. Then again, they are usually pretty clear about that, too.

at least mlbTR has gotten a bit better about naming sources rather than making other people's news their own via their "unnamed sources". they also used to have a bad habit of re-editing initial posts to tweak their predictions for some weird reason. i hear theyve gotten better about the 1st issue and dont do much (if any) of the second anymore.

Don't know about you, crunch, but when I registered for this site I received in the mail a Certificate of Authenticity that every word I read is true. Signed by Rob and Trans and I think Ed McMahon and with a gold seal.

That couldn't possibly be true since I got one of those already and we all know that ed mcmahon never sends form letters.

now that i think about it, i really should expect more from my $199.99 per year subscription fee to this site.

where are those checks being sent to?

Someplace in Nigeria.

I don't really get why there needs to be a pissing match between blogs and their readers. Many people read and post at a variety of sites. Rob, I appreciate what you "reported." But I think we all realize that reporting internet rumors are going to generate a lot of criticism, especially after the Brian Roberts saga last year. Also, when dealing with a site like NSBB, remember that the opinions of one or more do not always represent the whole site...just as those who comment here do not always represent the views of the bloggers themselves.

"remember that the opinions of one or more do not always represent the whole site...just as those who comment here do not always represent the views of the bloggers themselves." true that. i hope someone out there has their main impression of TCR being silent towel. good times...hah.

Silent Towel, LOL, I remember him. Yikes. The thing with the 4-letter site criticism, is that the main posters over there are total douchebags. They deserve every ounce of criticism that comes their way. The other "Cubs" site I can't stand is desipio, which over the last year or so has degenerated into more of a political hack site dominated by a half-dozen circle-jerkers than anything else. Little to nothing about the Cubs. Thank god for TCR and MLBTR. It's easy to get on Yellon's case given the nature of his reader population, but his intentions are good and it's pretty much all Cubs there, too. Are there other good Cubs blogs I don't know about?

Yes. This one. Yellon DOES suck, by the way!

I didn't know you read HJE, Los. You ever enter the shoutbox?

Yup, I chat there from time to time. I actually am known there by "The Guy Who Yelled At Yellon."

very true on the last sentence....

I was probably a bit harsh in the update, a bit of that was stored up from some of the stupidity I've read at NSBB over the years. I have nothing against the site or anything, they're fantastic about jumping on every news story first.  The discussion that follows though is somewhere below BCB and ahead of and

And I reported nothing, I posted a link I found on the Internet, it just happened to be in our comments this time. Just like posting a link from Fox Sports or NSBB or the Sun-Times or MLBTR. The only thing I did any differently was vouch that I'm 100% certain Chad heard what he heard. Now his boss or his boss's source may be wrong, but I'm confident Chad isn't making anything up.

I just noted the irony of the man who doesn't believe in smart women with big tits but does quantify the size of grains of salt.

"the man who doesn't believe in smart women with big tits " this phrase does not describe me. Please quote me directly and don't make up things that i didn't say.

Folks better get learned. You mess with our Chad, and you're gonna be in a world of hurt from an army of angry, well-defined, oiled men. Word to your brother.

All new meaning to the term "We've got Wood"

Hey Chad, Rob, Blockhead, et al. You guys ok from the fires? Any negative impact on y'all?

i live smack dab in the middle of the san fernando valley. if my house is in danger then the United State will be mourning the loss of Los Angeles Mrs. O'Learly style. But thanks for the thoughts. Rob and block should be ok, too.

after sampling my 3rd crappy beer in a row from the mendocino brewing company i hope they burn down...well not...but i'd like $20 bucks back or so... making an average tasting double IPA is one thing, but having an average tasting double IPA that's only 7.5% alcohol (rather than the 9+% you'd expect) is another... meh =p

I used to really like Red Tail. I haven't had it in a long time, though. I've been to the brewery, it's a nice place. Which brews let you down? Other No.Cal Breweries you might check out: Anderson Valley Brewing Company makes some excellent beers (Boonville) My all time favorite though is made by Mad River Brewing Company--Steelhead Extra Pale Ale. They also make a Double IPA and Jamaica Red (originally made for Reggae on the River).

eye of the hawk, black hawk, and tonight it was their imperial IPA. it's not that they suck at making beer, it's just that i don't like the taste of the black hawk, the eye of the hawk tastes way too alcohol-strong, and their imperial IPA was way too carbonated while only being 7.5% alcohol. none of the beers i tried from them were worth not finishing the 6-pack, though. far from awful, just not good... my beer of choice is breckenridge 471 double's a monster bitter and 9.2% alcohol, but i think the brew hides the alcohol content very well (if you like bitter hop-crazy brews, anyway).

thanks for the concern, actually not that far from the 2nd fire in Yorba Linda, the ash is starting to get over here and the charred smell was prevelant starting this morning. But I'm not in an area that would be much of a fire risk...I think.

early night for you. oh well i guess that's what happens when you have kids. We waiting for some friends to come over to play some Rock Band. Best Game Ever!

yeah, kids go to bed around 9pm although they took a long afternoon nap today, so we'll let them stay up later.

Had dinner at Portillo's in Buena Park...mmm Italian Beef. The kids go nuts over their cheese fries.

Portillo's in Buena Park? I didn't know there were any Portillo's outside of Chicago. Do the Californians appreciate the awesome Chicago dogs?

I was fully expecting some sort of excitement tonight -- Other than Sammy Sosa having just hit his 61st HR and approaching #62 on my TV -- I really hope this Peavy thing doesn't drag on too long.

He just hit #62. It was amazing.


Mark Grace with a walk off HR. Sammy carries him on his shoulders. Paul Rudd hosting SNL. Thank you Obama, change indeed. Life is good. But the Cubs' original offer for Peavy wasn't good enough for San Diego to consider seriously, and a deal still appears unlikely. "Chicago didn't give us any deadline," Padres general manager Kevin Towers told the San Diego Union-Tribune. "I imagine we'll continue to talk, but it's definitely going to take a third team to get something done there."

peavy is cheap...but peavy is cheap for 1 year...and he's on the hook for 4. i could live with peavy "slipping away" if it means giving up anything but a package similar in scope to what OAK got as far as quality. cubs can always backload a 3-4 year deal with some pitcher if the payroll crunch is immediate and gamble on the future payroll flexibility. they'll end up paying more overall, but they don't have to entertain the idea of giving up vitters...hopefully.

rob nothing better then portillos do you have 3 of them out there know i live about 35 miles from the closeset one in crystal lake make the trip occasionally

they have 2 in California, one in Buena Park which is by Knott's Berry Farm and not far from Disneyland, the other is in Moreno Valley..Inland Empire...meth capital of the world.

I heard today that the Cubs brass did quite a bit of research on Jeremy Hermida's background and they aren't very high on his makeup. Also Mark Teahen could be on the radar if Hendry can't sign/trade for anyone else. They like his corner INF/OF versatility. I would've liked this 2 years ago, but clearly that shoulder injury has sapped his power Jeff Bagwell/Scott Rolen style. They vote for Riverside CA as the meth capital of the world. The fact that it's Dusty Baker's hometown is just a coincidence. I have to believe Alsip IL is probably second on the list.

moreno valley is right next to Riverside and it's considered the "Inland empire"

Myself and my family refer to Alsip, IL as Asslip, IL.

I don't think it'a all that important for the Cubs to compulsively retool the team during the off-season.

This time last year, it was Brian Roberts everyday ad nauseum, and could Erik Bedard maybe be part of the deal, too, and the Cubs never got either of them and yet they still had the #1 offense and one of the best starting rotations in the league anyway (and that was without Rich Hill, too).

And then it was a big deal to try and get a right-handed hitting CF, and after looking at Marlon Byrd and others, Reed Johnson gets released by TOR at the end of ST and there youo go.

And then when it turned out Fukudome wasn't a #5 hitter, and the Cubs needed a power hitting left-handed hitting OF, Jim Edmonds got released by SD and fit the bill.

And then when Hendry wanted to add another front-line starter for the post-season, he puts together a package of  OK prospects (nothing too special) and got Rich Harden from OAK at the trade deadline.

I believe it would be OK to go into next season with the team as is, although re-signing Dempster long-term and Wood for one year would be fine. But I don't think it's smart to trade four of the organization's best prospects to get five years of Jake.  Just sign a FA SP (either Dempster or a replacement for Dempster) and keep the young players you would need to trade to get Peavy for potential mid-season deals to fill holes caused by injury or slump in 2009.

And even without Woody, I'd take my chances with a bullpen of Marmol-Gregg-Samardzija-Cotts-Gaudin-Wuertz-Guzman with Hart, Roquet, Veal, Ascanio, and Lambert in the Iowa pen to start the season, and add parts at the trade deadline if necessary. There is absolutely no need to sign some Eyre-Howry type middle reliever for three years - $11M right now.

Same goes for a left-handed hitting #5 hitter who can play RF. No need to bum rush a FA if it costs too much and if he doesn't fit the perceived need (athletic left-handed hitter who can bat 5th and handle playing RF at Wrigley Field). Just bring back Edmonds and play Fukudome & Johnson in RF instead of CF. And if the lineup doesn't produce enough runs, make a mid-season deal for a big bat (hitters are usually easier to get at the trade deadline than pitching).

I doubt very much that any of the other five teams in the N. L. Central are going to run away with the division, so Hendry really doesn't need to make a trade at this time. Just be patient and wait and see how things look in May-June-July.

I'm going to do the unthinkable and respectfully disagree with some of the venerable AZ Phil's opinions. First, on Peavy, I can understand the argument that he's not worth the precious talent we'd have to trade to get him. Before exiting that discussion altogether, I'd make sure that he does indeed require that much talent (and not just something like Marshall, Pie, Theriot) but certainly you can argue that the Cubs should keep the prospects they have, esp. the good ones, look elsewhere for pitching. The problem with looking at the FA market for pitching though is that the Cubs will be in a bidding war, or rather wars, not just for top talents, like Sabathia, but even for lesser and older pitchers, including Lowe, Johnson, Dempster, Sheets, etc. The price tag for these guys, esp. if CC takes the Yanks' $140m offer, will be through the roof. The beauty of Peavy is that he's named who he's interested in which lessens the Pads' leverage. I disagree about the LH bat as well. In many ways, the offseason is swiftly surpassing the deadline as the important time of the year to re-tool a team. Too many teams nowadays think they still have a shot at the deadline and thus the demand, esp. for high value items like LH power bats, far, far exceeds the supply. Look at 2008 -- teams like the Astros and Rockies, both clearly out of it, nonetheless held on to big names. It's not a matter of just throwing some prospects together and acquiring some nameless slugger. You need a perfect storm of also finding the right slugger (without a NTC) and a team that's willing to deal. I agree that the Central probably won't be run away with by another team, but winning the Central shouldn't just be our goal. Yes, the playoffs are a crapshoot, but it's about building the best team you can for a playoff run. I don't think there's any argument, Phil, that the team you outline above is clearly inferior to 2008's team, and that's just unacceptable in my view.

The team Phil outlines above is the 2008 team, minus Eyre and Howry, but starting the season with Harden and starting the season with Edmonds and Johnson. I guess he's potentially conceding Wood, but it's pretty much the same team. In what way is it "clearly" infrerior to 2008's team?

No Wood, no Edmonds' last hurrah.

No Dempster either. He said he'd be fine starting with the team as is, which means a rotation of Z, Harden, Lilly, Marquis, and probably Marshall. That, with the losses of Wood and Edmonds, gives you a clearly inferior team.

Who outside of ARI with (Webb, Haren and Scherzer) or SF with (lincecum-Cain-Sanchez) would have a better 1-2-3 than Z-Harden-Lilly in the NL? Hendry is going to augment this team, but keep in mind it did win this division by 7.5 games last year and that the 2nd place team is about to lose its top 2 starters and has seen its closer retire. The roster as is can win this division. However we all know Jimbo will get one more major piece and a good complentary piece to fill in the holes on the club. November 16th is a little too soon to give up on the season.

You've got to keep in mind that Harden may not be around at any given point during the season, DeRosa and Theriot probably had career years, and even if Edmonds comes back he's not going to put up a an OPS+ of 136, add in the loss of Wood and there's your 7.5 games. Now, take out Dempster, and the Brewers aren't going to sit still, they'll probably bring in someone to replace Sheets, and they're getting Gallardo back. The Cardinals are probably going to add another league average starter, closer and upggrade at short, and the Astros will probably add another start to theirer rotation. Oswalt, Sheets and 'the good' Wolf can certainly pitch with any of those threesomes you mentioned, though the Astros would do well to swap Lee and Berkman in the field.

you most likely can negate any dumpster leaving effect...or at least handicap it to the point of it being moot...because getting another starter of "1-2" caliber seems to be a very vocal priority for the team. *if* still around marshall/gawdy/guzman can be stretched out as a backup-injury starter. that's not bad options, imo. it's not flashy, but its end-rotation-able talent. replacing what edmonds did for the cubs in 1/2 season (guy projected to have 40hr/40-ish doubles if given a full season) is gonna be hard unless dlee/fuku step up their game a bit.

In this particuar discussion, we are going with no out-of-house replacement for Dempster, which means you would be double accruing to count at least one of those guys you listed as part of the bullpen strength.

i don't think that's a reasonable assumption to muse, but i missed that aspect of the discussion.

My point was the team we have currently is a good baseball team. I was just trying to show irrational saying this team is doomed is. We all know Hendry will make moves, yes he is limited by budget constraints but it does appear he has 16-18 million dollars if you read the tealeaves from the media to play around with. My guess is he adds 1 10-12 million a year type guy and 1 6-8 million type guy to fill the missing rotation spot and play RF.

Who said anything about giving up on it? I'm sure Hendry will acquire a pitcher, although I think it's likely he'll overpay for one that may be sub-expectations. And I'm sure he'll get a bat, although I question where that bat comes from. I was just critiquing AZ Phil's idea that potentially the team could be left as is. Could we contend for the title again? Sure. Could we be reasonably expected to be better than last year or have better playoff results? No.

the funny thing about all this adding a left-handed middle of the order bat is that it's basically a lateral move.

The Cubs had Soriano, Theriot, Lee, Ramirez, Soto, Edmonds, DeRosa, Fukudome for the most part last year (and other variations)..but two lefties at most.

next year, it's looking like Soriano, Theriot, Lee, Ramirez, Soto, new RFer, DeRosa, Fukudome

all they're doing is replacing Jim Edmonds...

now if they do it with Adam Dunn that's an improvement, Bradley and maybe Ibanez are slight upgrades from what Edmonds gave us last year.

The Cubs need to add 2 lefties, not just one if they're really trying to balance out their lineup.

Pie and Hoffpaiur?

Time to just sign the Unit and forget about Peavy? I'd rather use the prospects to try and trade for a leadoff man anyways. How about a permanent shift of DeRosa to RF and have Hendry try to upgrade BOTH middle infield positions, is that possible?

The whole thing about the Cubs believing they need a lefty bat to hit 4th or 5th and play RF has to do with the Cubs falling flat in the 2007 and 2008 NLDS against a rotation of righty starters and late-inning RHP relievers in the post-season (D'backs 2007 and Dodgers 2008).

Acquiring a lefty power bat who can play RF hit 4th or 5th against right-handed pitchers can be addressed at the trade deadline in July. The right-handed heavy Cubs lineup led the league in most offensive categories in 2008, and it should do very well in 2009, too. The Cubs just need to acquire a quality lefty hitter they can start in RF in the post-season, and that move can be made in July or maybe even in August.

One mistake Hendry made last season was not acquiring a lefty power bat in July, a guy who could hit off the bench in August-September, and then play RF and hit somewhere 4-5 against RHP in the post-season. As it turned out (and this was obvious by mid-season), Mike Fontenot was the Cubs best LHPH last season, and Daryle Ward was an albatross who took an roster slot that should have gone to a lefty bat who could play RF and hit 4th or 5th against tough RHPs, somebody the Cubs should have (and could have) acquired in July.

Interesting NYT article on Cuban's attempt to buy the Cubs.

I think it's straight up criminal that MLB can pick someone other than the highest bidder for a team. All of this smoke and mirrors bullshit with picking the winning bidder is irritating. If you want rules to keep owners in line, make rules to keep owners in line! Not allowing someone to buy a team because of what you expect they're going to do with the media is retarded. I love baseball, but I hate MLB. This process should be transparent and have definitive rules governing it. Bud Selig needs to take the pipe.

MLB's owners...traditionally...are not fans of being surrounded by loose cannons. Old Steiny was not universally liked and was almost hated by the time the late 90s/early 00s rolled around. A guy like cuban has done a lot of stuff that the other owners, especially a certain owner of another chicago team, just did/do not like at all.

The F the owners. I agree with Whipple, in what world does the highest bidder not win? Cuban may be wild, but he's entertaining. And you better believe he wouldn't cut any corners in salaries/upgrades/locker rooms. It would make Chicago even more of a place that FAs would want to come to. After all, look what he did with the Mavs when became owner. I'm all for Cuban and the Cubs, its a match made in heaven.

This is more irresponsible speculation than wishing, BTW, but I believe Hendry will hotly pursue Rafael Furcal, Milton Bradley, and one FA SP (who could be Ryan Dempster) this off-season.

If Hendry does sign Furcal and Bradley, Furcal plays SS and Ryan Theriot moves to 2B, with Furcal-Theriot hitting 1-2 and Soriano moving down (kicking & screaming) to 6th in the order. 

DeRosa moves to RF and Bradley plays CF (and hits 5th), as Fukudome becomes an extremely expensive "4th OF" and late-inning defensive replacement in RF, and Felix Pie (who is out of minor league options) is the late-inning defensive replacement in CF and PR. Kosuke and Pie would normally enter games when the Cubs are ahead, usually in a double-switch move.

Reed Johnson would be the #1 RHPH and the other PR, Mike Fontenot would be the #1 LHPH and back-up at 2B (allowing Theriot to play SS when needed), and Henry Blanco (presuming he re-signs with the Cubs for less money) is the back-up catcher.

I can't see how or why Hendry would feel the need to sign any FA relievers at this time (although he would be foolish not to offer salary arbitration to Kerry Wood and take him back for a year if Woody somehow decides to accept the offer), and the rotation is Zambrano, Lilly, Harden, Marquis (or Marshall if Marquis gets traded, and I do think Piniella would prefer two lefties in the rotation), and whichever FA SP Hendry opts to sign.

Ronny Cedeno and Rich Hill get traded (dumped) sometime before or during ST, and hard-luck Micah Hoffpauir goes back to Iowa for another year.

Again, just provocative irresponsible speculation on my part.

Thanks Phil. How do your predictions (Furcal, Bradley, and Demp are all FA) square with Hendry's statements that he's going to have to use trades more than the FA market this year to tweak the team?

That sounds ghastly Phil. Fuku and Pie on the bench? Useless. Johnson and Fontenot as our pinch hitters. BARF!

I guess with Wood & Edmonds departing the training staff is going to need some company and with the likes of Furcal & Bradley they should have it.

Submitted by Andrew on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 9:56am.

Thanks Phil.

How do your predictions (Furcal, Bradley, and Demp are all FA) square with Hendry's statements that he's going to have to use trades more than the FA market this year to tweak the team?


ANDREW: Hendry has already made a trade to get Kevin Gregg, and I expect Jason Marquis will get traded (possibly to the Yankees, Mets, or Red Sox, but it could be to someplace like TOR, COL, or ATL, too) to free-up more payroll to sign FAs.

I know a lot of people doubt that Marquis has trade value, but I disagree with that, at least as far as finding a club who is willing to take back 100% of his salary. (I'm not saying the Cubs wil get quality talent back in the deal, BTW, but I do believe they will find a taker for his contract).

While Marquis will be making $9.75M next season and that might seem like too much for what he brings to the table, he never misses a start (except when he gets skipped) and he only has one year left on his contract (so he'll have the motivation to be pitching for a new contract).

I also believe the Cubs will trade Cedeno and R. Hill, although (like with Marquis) they probably won't get anybody of significance back in the deal. (And I wouldn't be surprised if both Cedeno and R. Hill end up in Baltimore).  

But the Cubs may not have the trading chips necessary to make a deal for an everyday left-handed OF with power or a starting pitcherr to replace Dempster, and I think Hendry is finding that out.   

It really would be helpful to know exactly what Hendry's payroll budget (limit) is for 2009. 

You're right that Hendry probably will make some of those moves, but I took his comments to mean that he was going to pursue trades to improve club through addition not subtraction. Most of the moves you describe are just player or salary dumps. I agree that he may be figuring out he doesn't have the proper pieces, but why is he just now figuring this out? (That's a rhetorical question.) Hendry's a smart guy, surely he would have realized prior to now that his farm system is relatively weak and especially lacking in top tier talent. I took his comments as strange when they were made and perhaps as a cover for a potential failure of an offseason (well, we tried to get better, but you gotta have two to tango -- that sort of thing). I agree that knowing the payroll would be real helpful, but perhaps it's because payroll has been cut or hasn't increased? I doubt the Cubs' brass still don't know the number, but it would make sense for them to delay releasing it or not release it at all if that number would displease the fan base.

AZ Phil, Going through your Top 15 prospects and relating that to this thread, the only blue-chip prospects I can see (one's another team would give up a 'Jake Peavy' type player for) are Vitters, Samardzija (NTC), Cashner (can't trade until June), and McDaniel (can't trade until June). Did I miss someone? Would you agree? If correct, then that explains why the Peavy trade is on hold until a third team can be involved. Do the O's have any pitching/prospects that would interest the Padres? Then, Hendry could send Pie, Vitters, and Marshall to the Padres - R. Hill, Cedeno, and Colvin to the O's - O's send Padres what else they want. Maybe the Cubs could even add other 'prospects' the O's want (Veal, Atkins, et al) to get Brian Roberts added to the deal. I absolutely agree there will takers out there for Marquis (salary included), and if so, the Cubs will miss him unless they get Randy Johnson, Lowe, or Peavy to replace him in the rotation.

i understand deadline pressure, but umm...what the hell is this piece of journalism?

He talks about the 2008 Cubs like they were the 2005 Yankees. The most bewildering bit is how that got picked up by a national sports channel.

foxsports webpage fields a bunch of stuff off affiliates that don't always show up on their main webpage. it's basically one of their "raw feeds" but they call it "morenews." not sure if this article made the main part of the site... good resource, btw. it generally has main-page news minutes+ before the main-page.

Welcome to Chicago sports journalism. Today Phil Rogers brought up how Red Sox want to have 2012 All Star game (100 anniversary at Fenway), even though they had the All star game in ...1990. Gosh, Boston did a good job of disguising Fenway to look like Wrigley. Idiot.

In NSBB the source that Chad probably refers to is Paul Depodesta who left that particular item off his blog.

Paul DePodesta is Chad's boss? Since I know where Chad works, that's highly unlikely....

I think it was Chad's boss who knows De Podesta. Funny, I didn't take DePodesta as the type who would hire hookers.

I believe the correct term is 'Man-ho'.

which is interestingly close to 'Oh-Man'. Will you agree?

Wouldn't Chad's boss be a pimp?

Carlos is Chad's boss? I'm so confused.

He'd be a pimp who sells his man-hos' services to Depodesta - if speculation is true.

Exactly. Carlos is merely a fellow gigolo.

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  • crunch 7 hours 31 min ago (view)

    don't worry, i'm sure even though he was spared from cuts there's some hardship he's being tortured with that he has to unfairly overcome.  #coreystrong #onthecross #yolo #swag #kony2012


  • crunch 7 hours 32 min ago (view)

    there's no way a system like that or something similar to that would work.

    "oh hi." - green bay packers

    *shoves out of way*

    like i said, there's no way that would work.


  • Hagsag 10 hours 28 min ago (view)

    Corey Black still has a job.


  • Charlie 10 hours 35 min ago (view)

    I am ready for MLB owners to give it a f***ing rest. I don't have any outrage to spare on them.

    If they can't afford this crisis, maybe they can surrender franchise rights to the players, grounds crew, concession employees, etc., and MLB teams can be employee owned.


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 14 hours 49 min ago (view)

    Couldn't have said it better myself, unfortunately.


  • JustSayin' 23 hours 17 min ago (view)

    These players weren't cut/released; laid off is more like it. Fifty-two minor leaguers let go before any real games played, in two waves. The draft will be five rounds this year, not forty.  This is industrial downsizing, anticipating no traditional season this year and capitulation to MLB demands for a much smaller minor league system in 2021.  Next year or 2022 could also see a labor stoppage in the big leagues, over what promises to be a very tough CBA negotiation.  The game will not be what it used to be after this.


  • crunch 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    i don't blame the ownership/font office for doing what they did with bryant.  it was just kinda bad timing that bryant was the client that boras was finally "i'm sick of this" over.  the cubs were warned that boras was going to make a stand and it dragged on so long there has to be some kind of toll on the boras/cubs relationship.


  • bigsky33 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    Hi Phil, yes, hoping for an extended AZ Fall League.  Do you think there will be more cuts?  De La Cruz was the only big sureprise to me. I thought he had some upside. 


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    It'll be more over when Kris leaves. Or whenever the same thing happens to another of his clients.

    He isn't wrong though...


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    Presuming there is no traditional minor league season in 2020, expect an expanded Arizona Fall League (with potentially a new "Florida Fall League" as well) for the best prospects and expanded post-season instructs for other minor leaguers (all TBA). 


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    My understanding is that the other two Cubs minor leaguers who are to be released are the two post-2019 Article XX-B MLB free-agents who signed 2020 minor league contracts, Brandon Morrow and Jason Kipnis. The Cubs will then supposedly re-sign them to new minor league contracts without the $100K retention bonus and 6/1 opt-out. 


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    CRUNCH: Agreed. Not counting the "4-A" guys, Oscar de la Cruz is the one legit MLB prospect on the list.  


  • crunch 1 day 5 hours ago (view) la cruz had some decent looking spring outings (though late inning spring work isn't exactly challenging).  the years of injuries insanely slowed his progression.  totally wouldn't mind seeing him return in 2021 if the team would still be on his radar after getting cut at a time like this.


  • crunch 1 day 6 hours ago (view)

    that whole "kris bryant thing" is over...but it's never going to be over as long as this ownership group and boras is around.

    boras could have focused this on 29 other teams, especially the more vocal ones because the cubs have been mostly silent.  the cubs aren't the only team out there paying off "creatively financed" loans, either.

    he chose the cubs.


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 12 hours ago (view)

    Not looking forward to seeing that list. Hate to see it when a guy you've invested any sort of energy in is given up on.


  • Cubster 1 day 12 hours ago (view)

    Chi Tribune today. Boras picks, and focused on the Ricketts. 

    Headline writer, fun job: Agent won’t let Cubs get away Scott-free Matt York/AP and Paul Sullivan.

    Boras told his players “the game can not be played without you” and asked them to share the concept with teammates and opposing players when “MLB requests further concessions or deferral of salaries” during negotiations.