Gameday Open Thread/Angels @ Cubs; Bullpen Rumors

The Angels show up in Mesa today sending prospect Nick Adenhart to the mound -  Sean Marshall will go for the Cubs. Here is the lineup according to Muskat:

LF Alfonso Soriano, CF Kosuke Fukudome, 1B Lee, RF Micah Hoffpauir, 3B
Aramis Ramirez, 2B Mike Fontenot, C Geovany Soto, SS Ryan Theriot, P
Sean Marshall.

Other than Hoffpauir in there for Bradley, it's pretty much what we should expect to see on Opening Day.

On the rumor mill, Chad Fox will head down to Iowa after the Cubs vs. Yankees series which leaves Patton, Gaudin, Guzman and Samardzija for the final two spots in the bullpen. Sullivan says a trade would have to go down by Wednesday and it looks like the Cubs are trying to move Gaudin or Guzman. Also, Lou said, "There will either be a trade, an option.... anything but (putting one of them through) waivers."

So with Fox going to Iowa and Samardzija with options, that leaves three players (Patton, Guzman and Gaudin) with two spots left. The article says the Cubs would like to keep Patton which leaves one spot left for Guzman or Gaudin. Before we get to that, Hendry could try and work a trade with the Rockies, but Patton would first have to go through waivers and be passed on by the other 29 teams. Considering the spring training he's had, that probably wouldn't happen. So it would be best to have Patton make the team, see if he can make it in the big leagues and if he shows he's not ready - but the Cubs would like to keep him - then put him through waivers. Most clubs by that point probably won't take a chance on Patton and then Hendry could work out a deal with the Rockies to try and keep Patton in the Cubs' system.

As for Guzman or Gaudin, if Lou is serious about not putting any of them through waivers, the Cubs are going to have to accept pretty much anything a team offers and chanes are they'll get more for Guzman who doesn't have a $2 million price tag next to his name and possesses a more dynamic pitching repertoire and all-important "upside". Gaudin though has been kinds of awful all spring and for much of last year with the Cubs, so I would think they just might as well release Gaudin (unless they can of course actually get something for him) and raise the beer prices by a dollar to cover whatever they lose. I mean if you're dumb enough to buy an Old Style for $9, you'll buy one at $10.

UPDATE: Bruce Miles that the Cubs will not put Patton or Guzman through waivers, preferring to trade Chad Gaudin and that the competition will go through the weekend.


So if I understand this correctly... OPTION 1: Trade Gaudin, option Samardzija; Guzman and Patton make the team. OPTION 2: Trade Guzman, option Samardzija; Gaudin and Patton make the team. OPTION 3: Release Gaudin, option Samardzia; Guzman and Patton make the team. OPTION 4: Trade Guzman and either trade or release Gaudin; Samardzija and Patton make the team. I suppose they could trade Patton and his Rule 5 rights, but I doubt that's really on the table.

That's the way I would read it from Lou/Jim's comments in Wittenmeyer's blog. I vote for Option 3, but then I hate Samardzija like you do, Rob.

I have to admit, #1 seems preferable to #3.

1-0 Angels, Figgins to first on a K and WP, Kendrick BB, Abreau GO, runners to 2nd/3rd, Vlad GO rbi, Hunter K.

Sori GO, Fukudome single to CF, Fukudome picked off first, DLee singles to LF, Hoffpauir F9. end 1, 1-0 LA Angles of Anaheim, Orange County, near John Wayne Airport and Disneyland

Morales singles to LF, Isturis K's, Mathis sings Misty...then K's, Adenhart K's. on to the bottom of 2nd.

is any of this affected by harden beginning the year active as opposed to on the d/l? apologies for losing track of his status.

I've never heard from the Cubs about putting Harden on the DL, just our theories around here, but they could buy a week or two by putting him on the DL to start the season and then all three could make the team, so I guess that's OPTION 6.

OPTION 1: Trade Gaudin, option Samardzija; Guzman and Patton make the team.
OPTION 2: Trade Guzman, option Samardzija; Gaudin and Patton make the team.
OPTION 3: Release Gaudin, option Samardzia; Guzman and Patton make the team.
OPTION 4: Trade Guzman and either trade or release Gaudin; Samardzija and Patton make the team. OPTION 5: Trade Patton and his Rule 5 rights, option Samardzija; keep Gaudin and Guzman OPTION 6: DL Rich Harden, option Samardzija; keep Patton, Guzman and Gaudin until they need Harden.

Oh Rob, of course 4 of your 6 options involve Samninja being in the minors...Why do you hate him?

because he's white

actually 5 of 6....maybe I should start watching the games...

ARam GO, Fonty K, Soto K. zzzzz......end 2nd.

Figgins bunt single, steals 2nd. Kendrick GO, runner holds. Abreau F8, runner to 3rd. Vlad P6. 1-0 the bottom of 3rd.

Too bad Bradley isn't playing today. We could have definetively ended the Abreu/Bradley debate based on today's performances.

This game is on right? The video player won't load and when I go to the audio-video page for MLB it shows three games available but they are grayed out and I can't click on them. I just watched a game a few days ago, so I don't think its my system or account. Anyone else having problems or is there something I am missing?

#1 DON'T PANIC #2 Always open up in radio mode -- make sure the box score is showing. #3 Then use the "Today's Games" tab on your player to see if video is available. This link works 999/1000 times tried. It worked today even though the main media page link to the televised game is dead.

Seems to be up and working now, but thanks, I'll keep that in mind for future problems.

Theriot singles to RF. Theriot picked off 1st. Marshall and Soriano K. end 3... 1-0 we have the dumbest baserunners.

4 of your 6 options involve Samninja being in the minors ------- and another puppy just died.

Hunter leadoff HR on first pitch. Az Phil catches it and throws it back to the infield.

now I know how much it must suck to do play by play in a blowout game 6-0 after the HR...double, single, double, walk, single, FC, single coaching visit to mound.

Rob coulda sworn it was SMarshaldizija pitching the 4th. FBI investigating to see if he hates *ponies* too.

Patton blowing his chance...Vlad single, Hunter single 8-0

must be inherited runs, Patton ended up striking out 3 in 1.1 IP...I bet they were even major leaguers.

I was at the game, Patton looked fine. Neither ball was hit real hard. Lou had him come back out for another inning and he looked real good.

OK I'm relaxing...this game doesn't count. Repeat after's an exhibition. At least the new mlb at-bat 2009 application, and gameday works well. It's slightly ahead of the feed. It has an audio button but I don't think that will work until the regular season starts. DLee 2nd hit of the day, a dooble after a Fuku F7

There you go again ... listing Samardjiza last in your list. You really hate him, don't you?

There's more to this story than he's telling. I think maybe Samardzija made a pass at AngelFan Wife. Maybe Rob blames him for the Serbian-Croat war. My guess? Rob doesn't want to have to type his damned name every week.

Holy god, does Marshall have any options?

Following through on his delivery and hitting his spots might be two options he could consider.

Fuku triple, DLee rbi dooble. 8-2. (DLee 3-3, 2 doobles)

for a PTBNL... Phils asking about Sheffield...

I hope Victornio likes running, because if he sandwiched bewteen Ibanez and Sheff he will be doing alot of it. If its a trade of Gaudin or Guzman that happens, it will be interesting to see who Jimbo gets as he tends to do well with dump off/minor trades like: Sosa for Fontenot Aardsma for Cotts Twalk for Ceda Bynum for Hart Lawton for Berg Monroe for Deeds Anytime you can dump-off a guy for a fringe prospect who logs some MLB service time its a good job.

Spring after spring, season after season (when they square off), the "LA Angels of Anaheim" always pants the Cubs. I thought for sure they would be in the World Series last year. And the year before...It seems as if they are the AL version of the Braves in their heyday.

"Theriot has strong range up the middle and good hands, but he has occasional trouble when he backs up on groundballs instead of attacking them," the author states. "His arm is an asset when turning two or completing a tough play. He is tremendous on any kind of ball hit in the air, both line drives and pop-ups... A favorite of veterans and rookies alike, Theriot brings a steady glove to the Cubs infield." i wonder if this guy will sell me some weed.

the arm thing was intriguing, everything else seemed fair. His range seems better to his left than his right imo.

i'm not that confident on his range to his left, myself. the guy throws his body into too much stuff rather than being there with his glove. dive/block/stop/ least he can actually block and knock down, though. ...and the defender at 1st probably saved riot a good 5+ errors (being generous because it was WAY more chances) with riot's arm. his penchant for low throws is getting pretty predictable on whole. and yes, im happy with riot at SS...and he's more than adequate for let's no one go there because i don't think the guy's D is worth applauding...much less celebrating.

I agree with you completely on this, crunch, he throws himself at balls up the middle--and he doesn't throw himself very far. You want range, check out Barney or maybe that Castro fellow. As for popups, I think he has Theriot confused with Fontenot, who is excellent on balls in the air. Lou's first spring training, they tried Theriot in centerfield. That didn't last long: too many balls falling harmlessly to earth. I do think his arm is decent, though. And I have a hunch that Theriot is well above average in positioning himself on defense.

It wasn't just a spring training experiment. Theriot played 5 games in LF and RF in 2007 in the regular season, and had a 1,000 fielding percentage to boot (5/5)! I was in Milwaukee for a Sunday game in April 2007 with seats in RF and Theriot got the start there. Seemed to do ok.

no he was pretty terrible, misjudged a lot of baseballs I rememeber...

of course that has nothing to do with his ability to judge pop-ups from the infield.

"seemed to do ok" refers only to the game I was at... Other than that I don't really remember, but I wouldn't expect him to be good at it since he is an infielder.

Since he didn't play the infield, I guess we'll never know how Willie Mays would have handled pop flies.

Huh? How is that relevant? If you don't think that handling balls in the air as an infielder is different than as an outfielder, I am not sure why we should listen to you about anything baseball related.

McGehee makes the Brewers; Lamb released.

Not sure if it was mentioned already, Murt didn't make the Rox cut.

...ready for this effing season to start.



Bird, bird, bird.

*makes a series of complex hand gestures affirming his affiliation with various social organizations*

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I would say option 3 has the most chance of actually happening. Teams have the information available...There is no market for him (gaudin). RIP Herman Franks. The '77 Cubs were one of my favorite teams. Everything was great until Bruce Sutter got hurt... Dallas McPherson available for anyone looking for a 3b...

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    Brad Brach signs with the Mets for $850K but the Cubs are paying $500K, per Ken Rosenthal.


  • crunch 1 hour 22 min ago (view)

    Yeah, I've made myself familiar with a lot of the changes, but AZP's posts have both added more information and cleared up stuff I didn't fully grasp.  I appreciate the hell out of it.  Thanks Phil, thanks TCR.


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  • Arizona Phil 3 hours 21 min ago (view)

    Again, none of these rules (including the one that requires a pitcher to face a minimum of three batters or else record the final out of the inning) have been officially approved.  

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    Ptchers would also be treated differently under the new rules as far as the Injured list and Optional Assignment to the minors is concerned, with pitchers having to spend at least 15 days (up from 10 days) on the Injured List before being eligible to be reinstated and at least 15 days (up from 10 days) on Optional Assignment before being eligible to be recalled (inless the pitcher is being recalled to replace a pitcher on the 26-man roster who has been placed on an MLB inactive list).  


  • Arizona Phil 3 hours 25 min ago (view)

    SONICWIND: As the rule is proposed, prior to the start of each MLB regular season a club must designate all players on its Opening Day 26-man roster as either a "pitcher" or a "position player." A maximum of 13 can be designated as pitchers (14 pitchers max when rosters expand from 26 to 28 beginning on 9/1). 

    For players who come up during the season, the club must designate the player as either a pitcher or a position player when the player is placed on the MLB active list roster. 


  • Arizona Phil 3 hours 38 min ago (view)

    BRADSBEARD: Fangraphs shows the CT as his primary pitch in 2018 with the SL & FB (and an occasional CH) as his secondary pitches, with no CV at all. I guess I'll find out for sure in Spring Training. 


  • Sonicwind75 4 hours 54 min ago (view)

    AZ Phil, thank you as always for the detailed information.  How is the "cannot be a pitcher" part of the rule to be enforced?  With a few two way players and the increasing amount of mop up innings being handled by position players it seems like there could be a gray area there.  What is preventing a team from stashing an athletic relief pitcher as a "5th outfielder" that could be a pinch runner and play a passable OF when needed but could also provide them with extra relief pitcher.  Anytime I hear of a new rule I always think of how Bill Billichek would circumvent it t


  • bradsbeard 4 hours 55 min ago (view)

    AZ Phil, looking around Baseball Savant, it looks like Winkler now primarily throws a low 90s cutter, a 4-seamer that he throws a little harder (but is less effective), a curve and a sinker. The slider and change haven't been a major part of his repertoir the last two years. The cutter has been really effective the last two years but it looks like he lost command/effectiveness of his 4-seemer and curve last year For whatever reason  


  • bradsbeard 8 hours 15 min ago (view)

    They just signed this guy:


  • Hagsag 9 hours 31 min ago (view)

    There seems to be a lot of player movement so far. Too bad the Cubs aren't involved.


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 1 hour ago (view)

    Beginning in 2019, a club must wait a minimum of seven days before it can place a player who was claimed off Outtright Assignment Waivers during the off-season back onto waivers, so because he was claimed off waivers on Wednesday 11/27, yesterday (Wednesday 12/4) was the first day the Cubs could place LHRP C. D. Pelham back onto Outright Assignment Waivers, and so tomorrow (Friday 12/6) is the first day the Cubs can send Pelham outright to the minors (if he was placed back onto waivers yesterday).


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 22 hours ago (view)

    A Competitive Balance draft slot can be traded only during a period of time starting on December 2nd and extending up until two hours prior to the MLB First-Year Player Draft (MLB Rule 4 Draft), so don't be surpised if these draft picks are traded during the off-season.

    Keep in mind that the slot cannot be traded for cash unless it is a financial adjustment made to offset the salary of one or more of the players involved in the trade.


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 22 hours ago (view)

    The active list roster limit changes scheduled to go in effect in 2020 have not yet been officially approved. Same goes for the three-batter minimum (or else record the third out in the inning) for relief pitchers. 


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 22 hours ago (view)

    And then the active list roster limit will expand from 26 to 28 on September 1st (max 14 pitchers in September). 


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 22 hours ago (view)

    The "26th man" who was added for doubleheaders will now be the "27th man" and he can be a pitcher.