Cubs Send Aaron Kurcz to Red Sox to Still Not Complete Theo Compensation

Back when Chris Carpenter was announced as being sent over to the Boston Red Sox for Theo Epstein, still can't properly be evaluated because there were still 2 players to be named later involved. There was some talk that it was just a logistic move, that the Red Sox had to send a player  to the Cubs besides an executive and the two players would be non-news. Well that turned out to be B.S. Today the Cubs announced they're sending RHP to the Red Sox and we still don't know who the Cubs are getting. Temples were built in less time.

As for Kurcz, he's hardly a nobody, a matter of fact I was going to put him around #15 on my prospect list I was hoping to get out for Monday. He was a teammate of Bryce Harper at College of Southern Nevada, but beyond that coincidence, he's a 21-year old power righty reliever with a 9.9 whiff rate to go with a 3.7 BB/9 ratio. He might not be the quality of Chris Carpenter, but certainly not someone to just dismiss.

As the baseball world turns...

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So here's my question: I feel like #15 on a prospect list IS nothing but I've never sat down and studied prospects turned into decent to good in the majors. Outside of the 1 in a 1000 chance teams get, is there some sort of study looking at how far down the prospect list you can go before the chances of someone ever being worth anything to a team fizzles out (again outside of the rare event)?

I don't know about the study and I doubt anyone will end up too upset over 2 guys whose upside is late-inning reliever. But also, probably a better chance they have some semblance of a major league career over a starting pitcher or barely top 10 position player, since they are relievers with allegedly good stuff. if that makes any sense.... the ceiling may not be as high, but the floor is probably higher too. Let's compare to Flaherty who I would probably had around the #10-#12 range. While he still could end up being a decent regular, I could also see him doing absolutely nothing of note in the majors. While Carpenter and Kurcz would surprise me a little if they dont' spend a few years in the pen and quite possibly solid late inning relievers.

Yeah the reliever thing makes sense for sure and I've always felt overpaying for relievers vs getting them from the minors is a bad idea. I've just seen a lot of prospect lists where I've felt like once you get past #10 or something what's the point in talking about them. I'd just be interested to see an actual look at what those prospect #s tend to mean relative to the majors.

Doesn't this seem to suggest that the Cubs might be getting a player back that they sort of like, albeit not a player with a very high ceiling? If that's not the case, I don't understand what's going on.

you would think, but who the fuck knows at this point.

Aside from baseball reasons, it would be AWESOME if the Cubs got a guy worth a damn. Not because it would make the Cubs better, but ultimately JUST to watch that BoSox journalist have an epic spaz-out! Here's hoping whoever we get is a player for that reason alone . . .

top 20 list of Red Sox prospects http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/13/263... whomever the Cubs get, Nick Cafardo will complain about it.

T-O-R starting pitcher prospects have more value than do late-inning relief prospects, BUT, a bullpen is VERY important, and it should be possible to build the pen on the cheap from within the organization. However, after trading Andrew Cashner to SD for Anthony Rizzo and sending Chris Carpenter to Boston as the front-end of Theo Compensation, Aaron Kurcz, Kevin Rhoderick, and Tony Zych were the three young near-MLB ready power RH relievers left in the Cubs system. So losing both Chris Carpenter AND Aaron Kurcz as Theo Compensation is not good.

Unless we get a power pitcher relief prospect in return from Boston?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 6:38am — SheffieldCornelia Unless we get a power pitcher relief prospect in return from Boston? ================================= SHEF: That would be nice, but I kind of doubt it. The report was that there are three players on the list, and the Red Sox get to choose the player. That makes it sound to me like the PTBNL might be a choice between the three LHRP on the Sox 40-man roster who are out of minor league options: Felix Doubront Andrew Miller Franklin Morales And the Cubs get whichever one doesn't make the Red Sox Opening Day roster (which would make it the Red Sox "choice," in that sense).

Agreed. We ended up giving away an awful lot of MPH for a suit.

Would you rather still have Hendry's sports shirt? That thing was outrageously expensive at times.

I'll happily bet anyone that Theo/Hoyer have a greater impact on the Cubs winning over the next 5-10 years than Carpenter and Kurcz though. Nonetheless, the Red Sox certainly got 2 useful players out of it.

I agree--I'm happy to shake up the front office and try to get the best guys available there, and I'm thrilled to see the organization take the idea of rebuilding seriously. This seems like a damn good return on a GM, though. Will the Cubs ever be sending some sort of compensation for Hoyer?

list has been agreed upon, supposed to be taken care of by end of spring training. "low level minor leaguer" seems to be the only clue, something about not being on the 40-man

to minor league deal

That makes it sound to me like the PTBNL might be a choice between the three LHRP on the Sox 40-man roster who are out of minor league options: Felix Doubront Andrew Miller Franklin Morales ======== Can you provide any insights as to these three? I know most about Andrew Miller because he was in the Cameron Maybin-Miggy Cabrera trade and was supposedly a high end prospect at that time (but has underachieved ever since). I kind of remember Morales from his days with the Rockies. Hopefully Doubront doesn't remind me of Felix Heredia.

hanging out at the SABR conference, apparently grew up a Royals fan.

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    minor league baseball has to provide housing for minor leaguers starting 2022 (paid for by MLB parent clubs).  this is HUGE news and will make it possible for guys to stick around longer without having to quit the game just to earn a basic living.  for minor league players working in expensive housing markets this is a life saver.

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  • bradsbeard 7 hours 18 min ago (view)

    Did you have any occasion to observe Pedro Ramirez? Not sure if he got into any games or not (now that I think of it, you wrote up at least one game he played in). 

     

  • Arizona Phil 12 hours 31 min ago (view)

    azbobbop: Certainly LHSPs Drew Gray and Luke Little have emerged as legit significant high-end SP prospects. RHSP Luis Devers has probably displaced Koen Moreno as the top "pitchability" SP prospect in the lower levels of the Cubs system. Tyler Schlaffer (another "pitchability" guy) also had an impressive Instructs, although Devers is a better SP prospect because he has a solid three-pitch mix and knows how to use it, while Schlaffer has just the 92-94 FB & CV (although both are solid offerngs) and isn't as polished as Devers is.

     

  • Hagsag 18 hours 41 min ago (view)

    This is the first time I have heard about the four month program in November. 

     

  • azbobbop 1 day 1 hour ago (view)

    Phil, now that instructional scare finished, which players impressed you the most and who are disappointments.

     

  • tim815 1 day 5 hours ago (view)

    Cool. Should help his trade value if the bat plays.

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 7 hours ago (view)

    TIM: Peter Matt looks very comfortable at 3B. He is a classic "four-corner" guy (1B-3B-LF-RF). 

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 7 hours ago (view)

    KKvG: I strongly suspect Koen Moreno's outing was more about getting out on the mound and throwing in a game than anything. He did get several swings & misses from his CH (which is a plus-pitch), and he uses his low 90's FB to set-up the CH.

    I didn't see any breaking balls, although it's possible I might have mistaken a CH for one.

    Koen Moreno is what scouts call a "pitchability" guy. Nothing wrong with that, BTW. MLB starting rotations are full of pitchers like that.  

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 7 hours ago (view)

    Childersb3: Not much bat speed. Just "lug-power." I actually like Matt Mervis better. 

     

  • Hagsag 1 day 9 hours ago (view)

    Thanks wrigley rat.

     

  • Wrigley Rat 1 day 11 hours ago (view)

    HAGSAG - Not Phil, but I think this info was from him in the past:

    RHP/OF (signed as a two-way player - seems to be sticking with hitting for now), R/R, 5'11 180, Age 18, SPAIN

     

  • Childersb3 1 day 14 hours ago (view)

    AzP,

    Does Bryce Ball have any real bat speed, or is he just a big guy that waves at the ball and makes contact 1of5 times?

     

  • Hagsag 1 day 19 hours ago (view)

    Phil, tell me about Frank Fernandez.

     

  • tim815 2 days 2 hours ago (view)

    If Matt is "not horrible" at third, that could be useful.

     

  • crunch 3 days 2 hours ago (view)

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