This is Your 2011 Cubs

Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:31 pm

via Rotoworld...

Marmol entered a 3-1 game and allowed the six runs on five hits and a walk before being yanked having recorded just one out. The last time a Cubs pitcher allowed six runs in the ninth inning with Chicago leading entering the frame came in 1911.

Also it seems that Q-Ball doesn't have the respect of everyone in the clubhouse...a response to Z breaking a bat over his leg last night.

‘‘I don’t like that,’’ Quade said. ‘‘I’m glad he’s OK. I get his frustration, but he can do something else. I cringe because he can hurt himself.’’

‘‘I work hard. My legs are strong,’’ said Zambrano, who was upset at himself because he missed a hanging breaking ball he thought he should have hit. ‘‘It’s nothing to worry about. If you want to see how I can break bats over my legs, come back tomorrow and watch me lift weights.’’

But what about the manager’s concern?

‘‘What manager?’’ Zambrano said.

Don't forget that Dempster was picked over Z for Opening Day and Dempster couldn't have been more vocal about wanting Q-Ball to get the manager gig. It could be nothing, could be something....

I heard Darwin Barney on XM Radio this morning, nothing earth shattering as you'd expect, but I have to say he does come off quite professionally and says all the right things. Said that Carlos Pena could be a preacher if he wanted, seems to be a very vocal and encouraging presence in the clubhouse. Also had good things to say about Marlon Byrd, relating a story in spring training that after Byrd got on him a little bit in the batting cage that Barney encouraged him to keep doing it whenever he caught Barney messing up and that he was committed to improving himself.

Today's lineup vs. Brett Myers: Fuku RF, Barney 2B, Castro SS, Pena 1B, Ramirez 3B, DeWitt LF, Soto C, Colvin CF, Davis P

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Submitted by Jace on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:35 pm

Yeah, I remember Barney talking in ST about Byrd and how he's in his face about his diet. I seem to remember that Byrd was bringing Barney breakfast every day, because he didn't like what he was eating...

Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:51 pm

Barney also said Byrd was trying to be back in 2-3 weeks, although either Sun-Times link or another story I read said something like 6 weeks and mid-July.

Submitted by Rob Richardson on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:51 pm

"Don't forget that Dempster was picked over Z for Opening Day and Dempster couldn't have been more vocal about wanting Q-Ball to get the manager gig. It could be nothing, could be something...." It is likely that neither Z or Dempster will be on the roster the next time the Cubs make the payoffs.

Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:47 pm

well I'm surprised Cubs are 1st in BA, 3rd in OBP, 5th in SLG and OPS and Runs Scored Per Game. AVG and OPS drop to 11th though with RISP

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Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:24 pm

worst BABIP in the league at .314 thanks to the shitty defense, also looks like the second worst LOB% HR rates actually aren't too bad, .99 HR/9 and 9.5 HR/FB% K/9 is 4th best in majors, but BB/9 is worst in league. Fangraphs has their ERA at 4.80 fwiw (don't know why the discrepancy to ESPN), and FIP at 4.10.

Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:29 pm

shall we take bets that the Cubs decide to option Randy Wells if he doesn't pitch well this weekend and keep Davis and Lopez when Garza gets back?

Submitted by Jace on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:54 pm

I don't know how his receiving skills are, but it looks to me like this guy is ready to play somewhere in the majors. I seem to remember that AZ Phil thought he would be at least a capable backup. Too bad we have 'yeah, boy Koyieee' and Castillo in front of him... Trading chip?

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Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:57 pm

well if Robinson Chirinos can be one, sure... probably not a big market for a guy projected to be utility bench guy. I'll take him over Koyie though and at the moment Soto. He is knocking a few more over the fence this season and his BB and K totals have always been good.

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Submitted by Arizona Phil on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:53 pm

Submitted by Jace on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 1:54pm. I don't know how his receiving skills are, but it looks to me like this guy is ready to play somewhere in the majors. I seem to remember that AZ Phil thought he would be at least a capable backup. Too bad we have 'yeah, boy Koyieee' and Castillo in front of him... Trading chip? ===================================== JACE: As I have mentioned here before, I believe Steve Clevenger profiles as an ideal back-up C-1B-LHPH at the big league level. Although his receiving skills are just average (he is a converted infielder, having played SS in college and 2B his first year in the Cubs organization) and although he has a slightly below-average arm, pitchers who have worked with him (minor league guys) have told me they really like to throw to him because he is a student of the game (probably a future manager) and can really pick-apart the other team's hitters, probably because he is a good hitter himself. Back when AZ Phil was a young fart, there was a back-up catcher in the big leagues named Charlie Lau, and he would later become a reknowned hitting coach with the Kansas City Royals in the 1970's. Clevenger reminds me a lot of Charlie Lau as far as his ability to analyze the game. I strongly suspect that Steve Clevenger will eventually be an MLB back-up catcher (and sooner rather than later). And I know of at least one scout from an organization other than the Cubs that feels the same way. So if the Cubs don't add him to the 40-man roster post-2011, I would say he would be a good candidate to get selected in next December's Rule 5 Draft. BTW, the reason Clevenger keeps getting assigned to AA Tennessee is because the Cubs want to maximize his playing time, which would be a problem if both he and Welington Castillo were on the same team. And since W. Castillo projects as a #1 MLB catcher (although maybe not with the Cubs), Castillo gets to play at AAA Iowa, while Clevenger is (seemingly) stuck at AA. Also, Clevenger is better working with kid pitchers, while W. Castillo (who still has some rough edges behind the plate) functions better with older and more experienced AAA pitchers who can help get him through the tough times.

Submitted by crunch on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:06 pm

christ... this team takes more balls to the face than a crackhead hooker. now it's aram.

Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:19 pm

brings in Marshall to face Bourn in a tie game with bases loaded, Bourn singles of course.

Submitted by crunch on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:25 pm

re: aram took a ball to the face while diving/fielding...busted open his nose and/or mouth.

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Submitted by crunch on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:53 pm

by what...1 or 2 walks or something? there's nothing about colvin's game now or in the past that involves caring about whether he walks or not because he never walks enough to consider it. he's pure contact. he needs consistency and power or his bat game is crap.

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:17 pm

That's fine and all, but if he is walking more than he did last year, is it not reasonable to assume that he isn't swining at anything more than he did last year, or not appreciably more? According to the numbers at Fangraphs - Colvin has swung at 0.5% more pitches that he's seen outside of the strikezone this year, and 4.2% more pitches inside the strike zone, while swinging and missing 20% less often overall. Just call it reverse LeMahieuing it and let it go.

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Submitted by crunch on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:24 pm

if you count his 2bb in 60-ish pa in the minors he's walking less. the point is, he doesn't walk enough to even care. projecting to walk even 5-10 times more a year doesn't even matter. if he doesn't make quality contact his hitting game is crap. if he's not hitting for power while doing it he's not a starter. jacque jones jr. will hopefully start hitting for power.

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Submitted by Jace on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:55 pm

Uhh, you are aware that I WROTE past #42, right? I'm not sure what you think I am saying... I am saying that he has failed to impress since the call-up... Have you read the cubs.com article about how he feels he has his timing back? What have you seen that would lead you to believe he has it back? Walks have little to do with timing... The sac bunt from last night?

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:17 pm

You are judging that he doesn't have his timing back based on two to three at bats. I am saying that two or three at bats is too small a sample to judge anything. A nice sac bunt, two groundouts, a pop-out and a walk, assuming you watched all five plate appearances, and you have judged that his timing is off. What does that mean that your timing is off? I thought it means that you're swinging too soon (which would be a strike or a pulled foul) or too late (which would be a strike or a opposite field foul) - none of Colvins' grand total of five PA's ended like that, so what do you mean that his timing is off?

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Submitted by Jace on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:26 pm

Look... (deep breath) I am NOT saying that the 2 partial games that he has played since he has returned are proof that he is washed up, or the worst player that the Cubs have ever had. I am saying that it looks like right now, HIS TIMING IS OFF! Let's look at his ABs from today - First AB - looked at strike one swung at strike two fouled off a pitch grounded out to the first baseman. Second AB - took first pitch for a ball fouled off strike one fouled off strike two took three consecutive pitches in the dirt, WALKED Third AB - took ball one fouled off strike one took ball two foul tip strike two popped out to the third baseman What do you see above that would make you think that I am incorrect in saying that it looks like his timing is off???

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:40 pm

Once babe Ruth struck out four times in a game. The next game he hit two home runs. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever look at a handful of at bats and think you've learned anything important. Ever. I don't know if he's timing is "off". I am smart enough, however, not to worry about three fucking at bats.

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Submitted by VirginiaPhil on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:57 pm

"Never ever ever," etc. You can learn a lot about a hitter watching individual at bats. In the week before Colvin was sent down, I saw him take a 2-0 fastball down the middle. I thought, Hey, Genius, what are you looking for on two-and-oh? I even had a few nasty thoughts about his hitting coach. Then a couple days later, he gets a good rip at a breaking ball on 0-1, and fouls it back, so now it's 0-2. The next pitch he swings weakly at a breaking ball low and outside. Does Colvin know that pitchers try not to throw the ball in the strike zone on 0-2? That they hear about it from their coach and manager--"Why didn't you bury it?"--if they give up a hit when they're way ahead in the count? Colvin is messed up. The dumb ones take longer to learn how to hit. He's going to have his hands full keeping up with the other young outfielders, especially if (like Jackson) they're smarter than he is.

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Submitted by WISCGRAD on Thu, 06/02/2011 - 06:44 am

This is one of the dumbest arguments I have ever read. It looks like you are arguing just to be arguing. It is perfectly fine to watch one game and say "he didn't really look comfortable in the field," or "his timing looked off at the plate." Hell, you can watch one at-bat and say "he didn't seem to be seeing the ball out of the pitcher's hand real well." Hell, Babe Ruth himself would have probably told you that his timing was off yesterday but he felt better at the plate today. Do any of these comments mean that whatever condition will hold for weeks, or a career, etc.? No. Jesus. This is stupid. I can't believe you wasted that much time arguing about this. And I can't believe I wasted this much time typing this.

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Thu, 06/02/2011 - 06:58 am

It's perfectly fine to do anything. It may be stupid, but it's perfectly fine. Colvin says his timing is fixed. Jace watched three at bats and decided he was wrong... Jace was right, because obviously, baseball expert that he is, he would know more than the actual player. The most important thing is knowing what you don't know. That's what I was trying to get across, not that I think Colvin's timing is fine, just that I am willing to admit that watching 3 at bats isn't going to tell me anything. It's amazing you guys aren't trying to get Jim Hendry promoted to president, or God, you think just like he does.

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Thu, 06/02/2011 - 06:08 pm

First AB - looked at strike one swung at strike two fouled off a pitch grounded out to the first baseman. Outcome - Left Handed hitter power pitcher pulls ball. Verdict, Jace is wrong. Second AB - took first pitch for a ball fouled off strike one fouled off strike two took three consecutive pitches in the dirt, WALKED Outcome - Walk. Verdict - incluclisive, lack of details on direction of foul balls, but he hit everything he swung at. Third AB - took ball one fouled off strike one took ball two foul tip strike two popped out to the third baseman Outcome - Power hitter hit opposite field pop-up. Verdict Jace is correct, though again, batter hit everything he swung at. Overall conclusion: Too little information provided to make any authoritative conclusion. He missed one pitch on the day...

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Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:29 pm

I'd feel better about his prospects if he EVER hit other than the first 6 weeks of last season. 6 years of being a mid 700's ops Minor League guy should carry more weight than 6 weeks of being a good offensive force 12-14 months ago. 4th outfielder IF he can regain some semblance of April/May 2010. AAAA slugger if not.

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:45 pm

2nd half of last year he had an OPS of .787 In September it was .808 And for Jace on June 25th of last year his timing was off, 0-4 with 2 K's... his next start he went 3-5 with a home run. Of course, that's impossible that he could go 3-5 in a game after May 17th of 2011.

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Thu, 06/02/2011 - 06:12 pm

(says the guy who just made a joke about LeMahieu after two at-bats, that was way over my head because the joke was the whole reason LeMahieu is in the majors was based on a decision made because of too small a sample, exactly the same thing we are discussing here, and the #1 problem with the Cubs organization that happens time and time again for years and years but I cannot or refuse to recognize). Come on guys, it's really not rocket science. It's math and logic.

Submitted by crunch on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:50 pm

day off tomorrow...then the hell part of the schedule starts. cards/reds/phils/brews/yanks/wsox til the 22nd of june.

Submitted by Cubster on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:32 pm

Of course, that's impossible that he could go 3-5 in a game after May 17th of 2011. --- At Iowa?

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