2015 Winter Meetings (Day Two)

Update 2: In a related move, Castro heads to the Yankees for RHP Adam Warren and IF Brendan Ryan.

Update 1: Zobrist signs with the Cubs for 4/$56m.

Cahill is back and Baez is rumored to be on the block.

Meanwhile, the Reds have a bridge over the Ohio River they'd like to sell you.

Comments

ExCub Jason Motte gets 2 years $10 million from the Rockies. Way to go Jason. Good luck Colorado.

"#Rockies sign RHP Jason Motte for 2 yrs, $10 MM, and RHP Chad Qualls for 2 yrs, $12 MM." rockies have screwed up the reliever market in real quick fashion. 6m a year for qualls...really...and for multiple years?

Jason's a good dude. I loved watching him clap for Castro's walk-up song.

Cards continue tradition of oddly named infielders Acquire Jedd Gyorko for former phenom and chief justice John Jay.

And Jay would have made more than just a few contributions to the Federalist Papers if he hadn't been toiling in the minors...

he's 30, he should have been released 2 years ago anyway. /everyonelovesslaveryjokes

Padres acquire the John Jay Story. Plans for a Broadway play with Hip-Hop libretto. http://www.theatermania.com/chicago-theater/n... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0

Jacos, his mother spelled his name Jon, so he wouldn't be tempted by law school. (She was a baseball fan.)

"Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Correction: #Cubs, #Dbacks not currently in mix for #Braves’ Miller. #Dodgers have talked to ATL. Where they stand is unclear."

Bullpen seems pretty full, although I guess you can never have too many: -Rondon -Strop -Grimm -Brothers -Travis -Cahill -Richard -Edwards -Ramirez

All if these Soler/Baez to TB or for Miller are beginning to remind me of Brian Roberts and Jake Peavey

How about...go with the MLB pitchers we have, trade some minor league hitters for some minor league pitchers, sign Heyward and roll out this lineup: - Heyward CF - Schwarber LF - Bryant 3B - Rizzo 1B - Soler RF - Castro/Baez 2B - Russell SS - Miggy/Ross C Yowza!

heyward at 25m-ish a year for 7-8 years gives me a bit of pause for resource allocation... those years of 6-ish WAR even with a lot of sub-.800 OB% seasons and sketchy ability with loss of power vs lefties looms. his D is good, but you'd think he's reinventing how to play the position and he's going to get a lot of money because of his D.

I hate that lineup... Now for a real lineup: - Heyward CF - Schwarber LF - Bryant 3B - Rizzo 1B - Soler RF - Castro/Baez 2B - Miggy/Ross C - Russell SS

Well, that's just crazy...

"Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that Ben Zobrist has a four-year, $80 million offer on the table." wow. 20m a year for age 35-38 of zobrist (who's not as flashy with advanced stats if he's not playing SS as much as he used to). that's 4m a year less than cano's "crazy" contract through age 39. also, why is that deal still on the table rather than rabidly being signed asap? how much better can he do than that?

Consider the source. Already debunked.

it's easily the craziest rumor i've heard put up by a legit sportswriter this offseason...so far.

Bob Nightengale? Legit?

he just doubled-down on that live on MLB Network...followed by a breakdown of in-house talent saying they're not sure if they buy that one. nice.

Whoa. That's way too much money and years. Feel like this is a very Seattle move (maybe recollecting that terrible Chone Figgins contract).

Sun rises in the east, water is wet.... Baseball Prospectus ‏@baseballpro Dusty Baker addresses media in Nashville. Says he'd like to see more aggressive hitters. Deeper counts = more Ks.

cubs/lackey finalized...guess his medicals checked out. sweet.

Dusty giving a lot of wonderful old world thoughts today at his presser.

I like Heyward for Cubs. IMO, he starts in CF and if/when power develops move to corner and bring up Almora or recent Cuban signing. Lot of options for a smart front office like the Cubs.

The embedded highlight clip in the article is awesome. Then I noticed the game situation: 9th inning, 2 on, 2 out with a 2-1 lead. wow!

Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales 2 minutes ago Lackey contract breakdown: Signing bonus - $7 million, $12.5 million in 2016; $12.5 million in 2017

It looks like crunch is not going to have Mike Baxter to kick around anymore. He's headed to the Mariners in a minor league deal. 

good...i've run out of jokes about him only hitting singles.

According to anonymous sources the Cubs are on the verge of signing Jason Heyward; AND trading Javier Baez along with Carl Edwards to the Braves for Shelby Miller; AND trading Starlin Castro with Jorge Soler to the Tampa Bay rays for Kevin Kiermaier and Bruce Boxberger. The team announced Tommy LaStella would play 2nd Base and leadoff.

Sources?

i'll vouch for him. all that stuff is helluh true, brah. also, lackey's going to be used out of the pen as the new cubs closer, not the #3 starter as assumed.

Seems like a series of panic moves after letting Baxter get away.

it's the single best way to plug that hole in the lineup

multiple sources telling the press that the cubs/yanks are still working on a s.castro deal...and b.gardnder not involved. it's not a sure-thing, it's just being tossed around... also worth mentioning, w.flores (NYM middle IF) broke his ankle in winter ball, though he's expected to be good to go by spring training.

sent sound: rimshot

Rosenthal on Twitter: Zobrist choosing between Cubs and Mets.

if that happens castro pretty much has to be gone...i mean, if they're not playing zob at 2nd that's just a pissed away opportunity.

Muskat tweets: Theo said possible trade/free agent signing are interrelated. Still looking for CF fit. Willing to give up offense to get defense. MLB.TV guys discussing rumor of Castro to Yankees as the trade part of the Zobrist transaction. No names in speculation regarding Castro to NYY (but supposedly not Brett Gardner).

Joel Sherman reminds...Jim Hendry, now a NY Yankee assistant to GM Cashman, is the one who was involved when the Cubs signed Castro.

Tyler Flowers signs 2 yr deal at $5.3M (plus $1.5M incentives) with Braves. AJ/Flowers. Go figure.

"Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat #Cubs Theo: "We're trying to sync up a trade and a free agent signing at the same time." Stay tuned" IT'S AWWWWNNN.

Rosenthal (6:37pm, CST)...Zobrist to #Cubs

zobrist is a cub...4/56m next stop, g'bye castro...hello CF? closer? SP? ???

Zobrist, 4yrs x $56M

cubs got older really quickly the past week... lackey 37-38 zobrist 35-38 at least d.ross will have people to talk to. both seem to be reasonable loot given their skill set. really interested to see what castro will snag...or baez if castro becomes a stopping point.

The victory disco dance parties just got lamer.

castro to yanks! details to come.

Joel Sherman says Castro deal to NYY is agreed upon, not finalized (Still need medical review, etc)

Ken Davidoff on Zobrist contract: $2M signing bonus, $10M/$16M/$16M/$12M

Signing bonuses for contracts signed prior to the end of the calendar year are usually paid out of the $$$ left-over from a club's previous season's payroll, so the Cubs probably had aboutr $10M left-over from their 2015 payroll (allowing for a $7M signing bonus for Lackey and a $2M signing bonus for Zobrist).

NYY sending pitcher "Andrew" Warren (per Bruce Levine). Adam Warren? also a ptbnl to the Cubs

Players eligible for selection in the Rule 5 Draft are "frozen" on minor league reserve lists (can't be traded, released, or transferred from one minor league reserve list to another) beginning on 11/20 up through the conclusion of the Rule 5 Draft, so the PTBNL coming to the Cubs could be a Yankees minor leaguer eligible for selection in Thursday's Rule 5 Draft. 

Cubs get Adam Warren for Castro

Theo said he wanted pitching depth.

Al Leiter on Warren: bowling ball power sinker, swingman for spot starts. 93-95 action down in the zone. Plays better in the bullpen as he keeps the ball down there. 2 1/2 pitches. Changeup, Slider.

Cubs also get Brendan Ryan

:(

-1

Maybe gets flipped with another piece?

i just hope the middle IF can stay healthy. b.ryan as a late-inning D replacement is awesome...b.ryan as an injury replacement is a bit of fear unless there's a ground ball pitcher on the mound closing the gap that his awful bat creates. that said, even if it's the worst thing ever they can just cut him and pay him a million. no biggie.

Baez is Russell's backup with Zobrist for spot starts. Baez and LaStella back up Zobrist. If Ryan makes the team, he's the 25th man. Chances are he's trade or waiver fodder in March.

dbacks get s.miller from the braves, ending that drama.

Shelby Miller to AZ per Rosenthal edit: for Ender Inciarte and 1st round pick SS Danby Swanson, RHP Aaron Blair

Ender Inciarte, Aaron Blair and Dansby Swanson are involved in the Shelby Miller deal.

The NY media is going to eat Castro alive.

Unfortunately for him this is true

These are not the kind of moves I've been hoping for. Didn't get our ace, didn't get our CF yet. Spent a bunch of money and spent a significant trade chip. If they pick up a CF, seems like Baez is likely to get moved too. Anyone else find the Castro deal a little weird? Will they pick up a decent PTBNL?

The way the money breaks down Castro and Zorbrist are a wash

So... you're saying we get Heyward too? *puppy dog eyes*

We'll see what Santa says!

Charles: It would seem as if Cubs got Warren, Zobrist, Ryan for a net $20MM (38MM to the Yankees). Its a lot of money (Zobrist made $7.5MM last year so its a 100% raise. Wouldn't we like that at our jobs!). Warren has some very good stats, but for sure, not sexy. I still think there is a trade and/or FA signing yet to go. Hang in there until Opening Day, 'bro. These guys are not Hendry.

Brendan effing Ryan ......seriously??

Hendry got his man: Starlin!

So much for Coughlan or Baez being Maddon's Zobrist.

So Zobrist is Maddons new Zobrist

No reason Baez couldn't be Maddon's other Zobrist. One Zobrist, two Zobri.

is this a Zobriety test?

with Zobrist, Is Arismendy Alcantara is the new Christian Villaneuva?

Talk is Warren going to be in rotation

could live with that...wonder what CF'r hendricks + ??? is going to fetch the cubs (speculation).

So is Warren the "young, cost-controlled, starting pitcher" the Cubs were rumored to be coveting?

Yeah...6-6...3.66 ERA in 17 starts. For Castro. I am.....underwhelmed

If you had been offered that for Castro on August 1, I think you would have been jumping for joy. Starlin had one very hot month then was 6-34 with one BB in the playoffs. Theo passed him back to Hendry, which should tell you a lot.

Castro sucked in May, June and july. No doubt April: .325/.349/.410 Aug:.296/.315/.437 Sept/Oct:.369/.400/.655

i was hoping for something more, but every scenario i pondered for getting "something more" also involved one of the cubs expendable prospects joining castro in the trade. i don't mind the trade. i feel good about having him around for a few years and if he can make it as a SP then that's an extra bonus. plus, i think it lets the cubs trade hendricks...there's just so much going on for 2 SP slots and hendricks at least has value. it would be nice if the cubs could also figure the CF issue out without getting rid of coghlan...he would be one hell of a 4th OF'r. im liking how it's shaping up. i hope they manage to find a CF'r worth a damn. they have months to figure it out.

Who hacked Crunch's account? Just want say thanks.

same crunch...it's just people who have constant sticks up their asses about anything remotely going against the cult-of-theo seem to not be posting as much anger and driving up emotions because they read something that went against their religion and witches -must- be burned at the stake lest they infect society at large. ignore 10 "positive" things, fixate and foam at the mouth over 1 piece of criticism...fun times...fun fun times.

"One" piece of criticism posted dozens of times. But don't let that affect your melodramatic narrative. That "cult of Theo" comment is very much like Rick Morrissey's "group think" nonsense he wrote when people, you know, were getting excited that the team wasn't going to be terrible anymore.

yeah, this is what i'm talking about. you haven't posted in days and this is what you're jumping in to comment on out of everything that's been happening in the cubs universe. we have new cubs players. enjoy them...or not.

While you're apparently monitoring my posts, you still overlooked that I also posted about Starlin Castro and Mike Quade. Your name didn't come up in either one.

It is not sexy. I don't know that much about him. Look at the advanced stats though. For comparison last 2 years... Jason Hammel: 4.6/3.2 % (2.3 for Cubs 2014) HR% 2014/2015 WHIP:1.28/1.16 ERA+: 127/105 Warren: 1.2/1.9 HR% 2014/15 WHIP: 1.10/1.16 ERA+: 128/120 Considering Castro was worthless 2014 for long stretches, and 2015 until the "Switch", who knows what he will do in NY? Some $$ is freed up for other stuff, imo, and with Zobrist/Warren, its making the team better should they make the playoffs in 2016 I think...

Steve Adams from MLB Trade Rumors writes: Warren, 28, will give the Cubs a right-hander that was one of the more valuable swingmen in the game last season. The former fourth-round pick appeared in 43 games for the Yankees, making 17 starts and 26 relief appearances en route to a career-high 131 1/3 innings. In that time, Warren posted a 3.29 ERA with 7.1 K/9, 2.7 BB/9 and a 45.2 percent ground-ball rate. Those numbers are more or less commensurate with the production he delivered from 2013-14 while working almost exclusively out of the bullpen (101 relief appearances, two starts) and can be a reasonable expectation for him going forward. (If anything, one could perhaps forecast slightly better results due to the move to the National League.) He can be controlled for another three years in arbitration.

I don't know, when was the last time an AL East pitcher help the Cubs?

matt clement pulled 3 solid, but overshadowed, seasons ooops...he left FOR the al east. it's been a long day.

Matt Clement was a good dude.

supposedly Brendan Ryan is still a PTBNL until after the rule 5 draft. That frees up a Cub roster spot in the short term.

I assume this means Javy is staying, and will be used like he was this year -- backup for Russell, a little this, a little that...maybe get a shot in CF now that they have an OBP guy to lead off? But, man, if we could get Heyward...

they're yet to give up a prospect for anything...given there are some who are truly expendable all over the value scale and c.coghlan is also valuable/expendable, things could still go down. they've filled a lot of holes and they got 3+ months before pitchers/catchers report.

My guess is that Theo saw Javy significantly change his game to become a better player, while Starlin will always be viewed as something of a wild card who will eventually go back to his "pull everything', low OBP days.

Agree with you guys. Theo and Co. may still be aboard the Javy train. After I saw the haul of prospects for Shelby Miller, SHELBY FUCKING MILLER...I am glad (as of tonight, at least) they didn't bite.

Bruce Levine tweet: Cubs not done yet according to source. Big time OF next? Hayward, Gordon, Car Go?

Great pickups in Zobrist and Lackey so far, but there HAS to be more to this offseason. Still need a CF, could use more young pitching given lack of quality starting depth, and the buzz has been that they want another back end bullpen guy.

and the buzz has been that they want another back end bullpen guy. -- supposedly the Cubs are still talking to Fernando Rodney he has a big back end, no?

per Dan Szymborski tweet: ZIPS loves Adam Warren: 2016 ERA 3.03, 27 Starts, 157 IP, 135H, 44BB, 135K, WAR 3.7 Swingman? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEIrcMbcnVE

Recent comments

Subscribe to Recent comments
The first 600 characters of the last 16 comments, click "View" to see rest of comment.
  • crunch 3 hours 32 min ago (view)

    happ / rizzo / bryant / schwarber / contreras / heyward / baez / caratini(DH) / kipnis

    ABC broadcast (all 3 games, W/Th/F)...

    j.osich DFA'd...j.phegley added to be the "3rd/emergency" catcher

    btw, the cubs play all early day games this round.  wtf...

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 4 hours 53 min ago (view)

    Couldn't agree more. It was fine for this nonsense season, but playing a full 162, what's the point of pushing for 100 wins if 80 gets you in, and there's no real benefit to winning 100, as if you lose the wrong two games, you're gone 

     

  • crunch 17 hours 10 min ago (view)

    There's a lot I hate about this playoff format and I hope we get back to 3-in with 2 teams playing a brutal 1-game playoff format.

    i don't want to watch 162...or 150...games to see 16 out of 30 teams get a shot at winning it all.

    we just watched the cubs drop 3 out of 4 to a team that was 15-38.  dropping a playoff series to a team that had the 5th best record and survived a 1-game sudden death playoff has a bit more legitamacy than a team that didn't even have a .500 record (MIL + HOU this year, btw).

     

  • Charlie 18 hours 50 min ago (view)

    Yay for playoff games taking place in the middle of a workday? I'll be watching this one well after the fact. Enjoy, to all those watching it live on Wednesday afternoon!

     

  • champsummers 20 hours 50 min ago (view)

    Gracias!

    And I did not know he was eligible already.  Makes sense..

     

  • crunch 1 day 3 hours ago (view)

    ex-cub and fun baseball dude Jay Johnstone has died.  74 years old (dementia, COVID).

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 2 days 6 hours ago (view)

    I understand why it feels unsettling. I remember the series well (though I, unlike Theo, actually was in high school). Anyway, I view it as a chance to right previous wrongs in the same way we stomped StL out of the playoffs in 2015, or the way the Nationals got to burn through two teams last year that had dumped them out of October in previous seasons.

    But if we lose, of course that was 17 years ago so it's two extremely different organizations.

     

  • Arizona Phil 2 days 10 hours ago (view)

    DJL: All players on Optional Assignment to the minors must be recalled on the day after the conclusion of the MLB regular season, even if the player has not spent at least ten days on Optional Assignment. Players cannot be optioned to the minors again until Spring Training. 

     

  • Arizona Phil 2 days 11 hours ago (view)

    CHAMP: No option year is spent just by calling up a player to MLB. An option year is spent only if a player on an MLB 40-man roster is optioned to the minors for at least 20 days in a given season. 

    Also, Brailyn Marquez is (was) eligible for selection in the Rule 5 Draft in December, so the Cubs were going to add him to the 40 on 11/20 anyway. They just did it a couple of months early.  

     

  • bradsbeard 2 days 14 hours ago (view)

    Not sure if serious, but Theo became the Red Sox GM in 2002. It's true though, there probably aren't many people in the organization besides Ricketts and Crane Kenney who have any strong feelings about that series. 

     

  • Craig A. 2 days 15 hours ago (view)

    I wonder if anyone on the Cubs cares or even remembers the odd events when the Marlins played the Cubs in 2003. I think Theo was in high school. To this old fart it will be more than a little unsettling to watch this post-season match-up. At least we can be fairly certain there will no fans grabbing for foul balls. 

     

  • bradsbeard 2 days 18 hours ago (view)

    Which is kind of annoying. Nobody really picked the Cubs to win this division pre-season. I guess Mattingly gets some credit for guiding the Marlins through their positives but even just letting them play that one game with half the team sick should knock him out of consideration. Meanwhile Ross kept a tight ship and the Cubs has no positives all year. I'd say Ross or Tingler should get it over Mattingly. 

     

  • crunch 2 days 20 hours ago (view)

    cubs finish 34-26 (1st, division)...they play MIA on wednesday.

    good start for d.ross, but the manager of the year is most likely going to d.mattingley (MIA) or j.tingler(SD).

     

  • crunch 2 days 20 hours ago (view)

    ...or he won't make it out of the 8th

    0.2ip 2h 3bb 1k, 5r/er...2 wild pitches

    there's some great stuff in that arm.  mid/high-80s slider, "changeup" around 90mph, fastball 97-99mph...all effortless.  21 years old and never pitched above A-ball.

     

  • crunch 2 days 20 hours ago (view)

    -deleted-

     

  • crunch 2 days 20 hours ago (view)

    rough debut...doubt we're going to see him in the 9th.