Cubs vs. Brewers: Series Thread (Games 134-136)

The Cubs greet the Brewers to Wrigley for a three game set. This series plus the 4-game set next weekend looked at one time like they would be a fight for the division lead, but with the Cubs on the heels of the first-place Cardinals they'll be looking to toss the Brewers clear out of the ring, narrowing the Royal Rumble that was the tight NL Central to a 1-on-1 grapple. The Brewers meanwhile will cling tightly to both their place in the division and their dwindling Wild Card aspirations. Read below to see which competitors will be starting in the series.

Game 134, Friday, August 30, 1:20pmCDT
CHC: LHP José Quintana (11-8, 4.05 ERA)
MIL: RHP Chase Anderson (6-3, 4.34 ERA)

Quintana's last start against the Nats was shortened to only 4 innings in which he allowed five runs, four earned, on three walks and seven hits. He's 1-2 in four starts against Milwaukee this year. Ryan Braun is 11-42 with five homeruns off of him. Moustakas and Cain saw a bunch of him in the AL but haven't put up any remarkable numbers one way or the other.

Following a 10-run, 2.1 inning start against the Nats, Anderson recovered with five scoreless against the D-Backs. He has a win in relief and a no-decision in one start against the Cubs this year. Zobrist is 9-22 with three homeruns off of him--probably not enough to motivate an early roster move? K.B. is 7-26 with three homeruns. Javy is 1-17 with six strikeouts. Rizzo is a mere 2-23.

Game 135, Saturday, August 31, 1:20pmCDT
CHC: LHP Cole Hamels (7-4, 3.73 ERA)
MIL: RHP Zach Davies (8-7, 3.90 ERA)

Hamels was handed a no-decision against the Nats after five innings and two earned runs allowed. He's 1-0 in three starts against the Brewers this year. Hernan Perez is 8-16 off of him.

Davies has dropped five straight, allowing 23 earned runs on nine walks and 27 hits (8 homeruns) in 22 innings. Two of thos were back-to-back losses to our Cubs, making him 1-2 in four starts against Chicago this year. Kyle Schwarber is 5-26 with four homeruns and seven strikeouts off of him.

Game 136, Sunday, September 1,
CHC: RHP Yu Darvish (5-6, 4.25 ERA) Tyler Chatwood
MIL: LHP Gio Gonzalez (2-2, 4.34 ERA)

Darvish followed a frustrating 4 homerun, zero walk, eight strikout outing by holding the Mets to one earned run in eight outings. The key to his game remains keeping opponents in the yard, as he leads the NL with 31 homeruns allowed. Yelich is 3-10 with two homeruns off of him.

Edit: Darvish is a late scratch with a forearm strain (yikes) and Tyler Chatwood starts in his place. Chatwood last started on July 24and provided four innings of one-run ball against the Giants. He's had a few multi-innning relief appearances since then as well. Travis Shaw and Yasmani Grandal have crushed him in 26 at bats, and Yelich is 4-10 with two walks.

Gio Gonzalez lost to the Cards last time out, allowing nine runs, seven earned, on four walks and nine hits in five innings. He's 1-0 in three starts against the Cubs. Jonathan Lucroy is 8-13 off of him. Bryant, Rizzo, and Javy are collectively 7-59 with one homerun and 18 strikeouts off of him.


zobrist to be activated sunday

t.skaggs died by choking, aided by an intense mixture of opioids and alcohol...accidental overdose.

from the mixture (fentanyl/oxycodone/oxymorphone) it sounds like he was yet another victim of "bootleg" street pills...or he was in way deep into an addiction.

cubs breeze to a win.

cast hit 2HR.  schwarb got one, too.

bote went 2 for 2 and walked twice so he's earned at least 3 pinch hit appearances over the next 10 games.

Great win

Especially sweet, as it came against the Brewers. (Who I cant stand as long as Braun is there),

icing on the cake is that a couple starters got time off.

And how nice was it to see Phelps and Strop eat a couple innings without igniting a forest fire?  Strop especially looked extremely shaky, but he eeked it out somehow.  Allowed the remaining arms to get some rest.

Very satisfying!

rizzo took sucessful BP...could return on saturday

Cardinals rained out. Cubs one game behind, same wins but have played two less games. 

Tomorrow night (Saturday night) at midnight is the deadline to add a player to an organization so that the player will be eligible for the MLB post-season, so expect a flurry of last-minute waiver claims tomorrow (waiver claiming deadline is 1 PM Eastern) as contending clubs look to add depth for September and the post-season and as also-rans look to jettision salary. (The claiming club assumes 100% of what remains of a player's salary, which in some cases could be a sizable chunk o' change). So some fairly noteworthy players could get claimed off waivers tomorrow, especially players with substantial salaries on multi-year contracts and players who are eligible to be a free-agent post-2019 where the player's club is not planning to extend a Qualifying Offer to the player. 

I also would expect some veteran free-agents to sign MLB or minor league contracts with contenders prior to the midnight 8/31 deadline as well (a minor league player under club control who is not on an MLB 40-man roster as of midnight 8/31 can be made eligible for the post-season at a later date if the player is added to the MLB 40-man roster and replaces an injured post-season eligible player).

A club can also trade a player who is on minor league reserve list as long as the player is not on a minor league roster as the result of an outright assignment from earlier in the season. (If a minor league player was outrighted to the minors earlier and then was subsequenlly released or elected free-agency and then either re-signed with the same club or signed a minor league contract with another MLB organization, the player is no longer considered to be an outrighted player). 

Saturday night midnight is also the deadline to reinstate Ben Zobrist from the Restricted List so that he will be eligible to play in the post-season. And as long as Zobrist is reinstated from the Restricted List after the game on Saturday, the 25-man active roster will not be impacted because Active List rosters expand from 25 to 40 on Sunday and Zobrist won't have to be added to the Active List until Sunday. However, Zobrist will have to be added back to the Cubs MLB 40-man roster immediately when he is reinstated from the Restricted List (can't wait until Sunday for that move), so there will need to be either a DFA or somebody gets moved to the 60-day IL sometime prior to midnight.

imagine it's safe to assume that zobrist "being activated sunday", "joining the team sunday", etc etc is just media reporting getting to the meat of the matter without the paperwork logistics mixed into the least one would hope so.

maddon seems very eager to have him back and mentioned having him potentially lead off, so he's not going to rejoin the team to ride pine and provide backup support even if he's not an everyday guy.  that said, sunday's matchup is vs g.gonzalez (lefty) and zobrist might start that game on the bench.

all that aside...wonder what his walkup music is gonna be...

Walkup music, ouch, too soon?  How about "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin" by Righteous Brothers.


he's been coming up to "can't stop" by the red hot chili peppers in iowa, fwiw....that might carry over.

Vimael Machin played eight positions for AA Tennessee last night (every position except pitcher). Machin did go through the catcher conversion program at Instructs post-2015 and at Minor League Camp in 2016, so it's not like he has never played the position. 

Other Cubs minor leaguers who went through the catcher conversion program in Mesa but now rarely (or never) catch are Cam Balego (plays 3B-1B for Myrtle Beach and only occasionally works as a catcher), Gioskar Amaya (blew out his right knee in January 2017 and now plays with a heavy brace on his knee), and Danny Zardon (3B signed out of Independent ball in March then converted to catcher at Minor League Camp and Extended Spring Training and now being converted to a RHP). 

can someone check with maddon and see why he hates d.bote?

did he scratch his car in the parking lot and not leave a note?  did he accidently take the last choice doughnut off the post-game spread?  did he mispronounce his wife's name at a public speaking event?  did he refuse to change clothes when they were wearing the same shirt at a charity event?

he's done nothing but hit like an all-star for over a month, but gets chances to do it like he's not worth giving work.

 don’t know, but it could be because he lost two games for them with his shitty infield play - in Philly. And he is not the player he was in 2018. And, honestly he would be the 25th player on any of the real contending teams. Other than that, I don’t have a clue.

me and you are on opposite ends of the bote love scale.

we're gonna have to out in a field and fight.

in all seriousness, i view him as a 400+ PA guy on a team with it's current construction and a guy that could start at 2nd on a lot of teams out there.  i like his play at 2nd.  his play at 3rd was pretty good last year, but really cruddy this year.  i like how he projects.

brewers shut out the cubs...lifeless game with decent pitching...heyward slump extends...

STL won their 1st game today, night game vs CIN coming up.

CIN totally blows it in the 9th without recording an out and STL wins their 2nd of the day.  STL up 2.5 on the cubs.

Cubs hit plenty of hard hit balls including Heyward.

Zagunis gets the DFA to make room for Zobrist. Bote also had to be optioned to clear a spot for him.

I know you must be depressed about Bote, CRUNCH. Fear not, rosters expand shortly.

E-MAN: David Bote will have to spend at least ten days on Optional Assignment before he can be recalled, unless he is recalled to replace a player on the Cubs MLB Active List who is traded, claimed off waivers, or placed on an MLB inactive list (Injured List, Paternity Leave List, Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List, etc).  

Otherwise Bote can't be recalled until Wednesday 9/11. And James Norwood (who was optioned to Iowa on Friday when Cole Hamels was reinstated from Paternity Leave) can't be recalled until Monday 9/9. But again, that's unless they replace a player on the Cubs Active List roster who is traded, claimed off waivers, or placed on an MLB Inactive List. 

It used to be that a player optioned to the minors could be recalled when his minor league team's season ended even if it was less than ten days after the player was optioned, but that rule was changed in 2017. 

well, to be honest, most playoff contenting teams would like to have a player slashing .435/.594/.565 the past month around...even if he's only been given 32 PA to do it.

.308/.466/.442 since the break over 65 PA.

tony kemp will at least get a chance to improve over his 52 PA with a .167/.192/.229 slash.

This is the first time I have ever seen a situation regarding a player who is on the Restricted List for a lengthy period of time for a reason other than a suspension pursuant to a violation of the joint MLB-MLBPA JDV or JDPTP be reinstated after July 31st but prior to September 1st, both in terms of the 30-day PRE-REINSTATEMENT minor league "conditioning" assignment that Zobrist was allowed to do and the requirement that the player must be placed on the 25-man roster at the same time he is reinstated to the MLB 40-man roster.  

There is an allowance for a club to defer placing a player back on the 40-man roster for up to 30 days or until the player is placed on the club's active list roster (whichever comes first) - AFTER - the player is reinstated from the Restricted List if the club determines that the player is not in physical condition to play in games (not in "game shape"), but there is no provision for a minor league conditioning assignment PRIOR TO the reinstatement.

There is, however, a caveat in the CBA that permits very specific minor league conditioning assignments PRIOR TO REINSTATEMENT for players who are on the Restricted List after being suspended for violation of the joint MLB-MLBPA JDV and JDPTP policies (the number of days depends on how many games the player was suspended), but that agreement does not apply to players on the Restricted List for other reasons (as is the case with Zobrist). 

In other other words, in the case of Zobrist, MLB apparently interpreted the rule that gives a club up to 30 days to add a player back to the club's 40-man roster after the player is reinstated from the Restricted List if the player is not in playing shape (as was the case with Zobrist) as the same thing as the pre-reinstatement minor league conditioning assignments permitted for players on the Restricted List after being suspended for violation of the JDV and JDPTP policies.  

There is definitely a rule that requires a player who is on the Restricted List for any reason other than a suspension pursuant to a violation of the joint MLB-MLBPA JDV or JDPTP or an extended leave (beyond seven days) on the Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List be reinstated from the Restricted List (and added back to the 40-man roster) prior to midnight on August 31st in order to be eligible to play in the post-season. Everything else related to Zobrist's situation was an ad hoc rules interpretation by MLB, since Zobrist's situation was (as far as I can tell) unique and unprecedented.  

If the Cubs can get Mark Zagunis through waivers (big "IF" of course) he cannot elect free-agency if outrighted and he would not be eligible to be a minor league 6YFA until post-2020.  

The other 2020 "out of options" guys on the 40 who were candidates for the DFA (Underwood, Rosario, and Mills) would all be minor league 6YFA post-2019 if outrighted, so Zagunis is probably the best choice of the four.  

If Willson Contreras was 100% back active Taylor Davis might have gotten the DFA instead of Zagunis, but T. Davis is still the Cubs #3 catcher.  

Any word on Zagunis?

a ton of LA fans traveled to phoenix (and a bit of fans already in the area) tonight to fill up the park.  50K+ people...crazy.

CRUNCH: There are a LOT of Dodgers fans, Cubs fans, and Giants fans living in the Phoenix area.

Dodgers games (with Vin Scully at the mike) were broadcast into Phoenix on one of the big local AM stations for 40 years, the Giants had their AAA team in Phoenix for 40 years, and the Cubs have been the #1 Spring Training team in the Cactus League for 65 years and Phoenix is home to a LOT of Chicago-refugees (Phoenix is the far, far, far, far southwest side of Chicago). Until 1998 (when the D'backs began), Cubs day games were broadcast into Phoenix and Tucson on an AM radio station out of Coolidge, AZ, and of course Harry Caray and the Cubs were on the WGN Superstation for many, many years and that helped the Cubs to solidify their hard-core fan-base in Arizona and it really hasn't dissipated much at all over the past twenty years.   

So when the Dodgers, Giants, and Cubs come to town, the Arizona Diamondbacks are essentially like the Washington Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters.... they are the "other team," and Dodgers fans, Giants fans, and Cubs fans just take over the place and couldn't care less about the D'backs when the Dodgers, Giants, and Cubs aren't here.   

It's really frustrating for local D'backs fans and the local media and especially D'backs players because they don't know what to do about it. The players say home games feel like road games, and D'backs fans sort of boo, and the local media whines about it, but it's just the reality of what Phoenix is.

The Diamondbacks just don't have a conventional local fan base like you see in other markets. The Diamondbacks depend on ticket sales to opposing fans when the D'backs play home games against the Dodgers, Giants, and Cubs (and a few other teams like the Brewers and Cardinals and when A. L. legends like the Yankees or Red Sox come to town as well), and that's just reality. 

So I'm not surprised that the Diamondbacks have had relocation discussions with Henderson, NV. The D'backs original owner (ex-Chicagoan Jerry Colangelo) expected opposing fans to come to games at first, but it hasn't stopped (it may even have gotten worse). The idea that the children and grandchildren of Dodgers, Giants, and Cubs fans would become Diamondbacks fans just hasn't materialized. 

that was a sea of blue out there tonight all the way to the top of the ballpark.  it was flashbacks to 1998 when the place was packed.

it was a fun game til the end, too.  a.bradley almost gave it up, but ARZ held on.

According to Jesse Rogers Twitter, Chatwood is starting in place of Yu today.

Also Descalso, Almora, Davis, Mills, Underwood, Wieck, and Garcia being called up.

We’re gonna see quite a bit of callups in that case. Contreras and Holland will be back from IL and gotta figure Bote is back in ten days. Maybe Alzolay once Iowa’s postseason run ends.

Also seems like the end of the road for Maples and Rosario.

Welp, don't like that.

The Cubs could place Darvish on the 10-day IL retro to Thursday (a 10-day IL assignment can only be backdated a maximum of three days) and recall Bote to replace Darvish on the MLB Active List. Then Darvish would be eligible to be reinstated next Sunday 9/8 (after today, the Cubs can go with four SP until Monday 9/9 in SD)...

MON: Hendricks (vs SEA)
TUE: Lester (vs SEA)
THU: Quintana (at MIL)
FRI: Hamels (at MIL)
SAT: Hendricks (at MIL)
SUN: Lester or Darvish (at MIL)
MON: Lester or Darvish (at SD) 

crazy slow moving 1-0 game...2 hours to play 5 innings...

2 on, 0 outs...MIL brings in a new pitcher, 2 pitches, 3 outs.

that is some fine cubbery.

i hate craig kimbrel.  :(

19 innings...6HR given up...welcome to the cubs.

cubs lose...STL has 2 games again today, and again won in the 2 in an hour.

cubs 3.5 back...will be 3 or 4 back after tonight.

STL has gone 9-1 in their last 10...12-2 during their current hot streak.

CIN wins game 2...cubs 3 back.

I love Joe, but Caratini, Lucroy, Almora in the 4-5-6 slots makes no sense.

i know it was a "whatever" with 0 on and down by 3 in the 9th with 2 outs, but letting kemp bat for himself vs a tough lefty like hader was a bit of giving up before the final out.

i like how baez leading off got him his 2nd 2-walk game of the season.  he's had 3 games total the past 5 seasons that don't include an IBB as part of his multi-walk-game total.

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  • K Dub 7 min 54 sec ago (view)

    PHIL: Excellent breakdown, Phil. Thanks. 

    I'm sure you heard. QO value was set at $17.8 million the day after you made your post.


  • K Dub 15 min 25 sec ago (view)

    Pache, Wright, Muller and Riley feels light to you, Charlie? I respect your opinion, but I would jump at it. I highly doubt the Braves would do it, though. Were talking 2 years of Bryant at what could be 18 million and 28-30 million in his last year of arbitration. 

    The Cubs would be hurting their chances next year and building for 2021 in a deal like that, but that's rebuilding/retooling in one fell swoop. 


  • Arizona Phil 2 days 4 hours ago (view)

    CHARLIE: Austin Riley is actually a third-baseman but he had to play LF for the Braves in 2019 because he was blocked by Josh Donaldson, and Cristian Pache is considered to be the best defensive centerfielder in the minors and his bat has improved enough over the past year or two to where he is now rated in or just outside the top ten overall prospects in MLB.

    So a package that includes Riley and Pache and one of the Braves young MLB or MLB-ready SP would probably be more than enough to get the Cubs to bite.


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 2 days 7 hours ago (view)

    Max Fried or Bryse Wilson


  • crunch 2 days 7 hours ago (view)

    t.skaggs story keeps getting deeper.

    allegations the team knew about skagg's drug abuse (also his family).  teams are required to report this to MLB.


  • Charlie 2 days 10 hours ago (view)

    Except for the headline, the linked post reads more like a trade hypothetical than a trade rumor. I like the idea of looking at this package as a discussion point for expected return for Bryant. I would say it feels a little light to me. It's deep, with two decent outfield prospects with upside and two OK pitching prospects. But Riley doesn't help the team solve the CF problem right now, so he's either redundant to Bote or sort of a Schwarber replacement. Muller's inflated BB% at AA this year worries me a bit too.


  • Cubster 2 days 17 hours ago (view)

    I might have missed something and it's been talked about regarding a KB trade rumor from about 10-9-19. 

    Braves receive: 3B Kris Bryant 


  • crunch 4 days 6 hours ago (view)

    they get 3 guys and the cubs get 1 guy.  sounds like a slam dunk for the angels.  pencil trout in the cubs lineup.  he's got upside.


  • Jackstraw 4 days 8 hours ago (view)

    I'd hate to part with both Kemp and Chatwood, but if it will bring that Trout guy back, we could even throw in Almora.


  • crunch 4 days 11 hours ago (view)

    the ricketts got a brazillian dollar tax break...they need to trickle that down and flex on the entire league.

    we gonna get grandal, rendon, castellanos, g.cole, strasburg, ryu, a.chapman...maybe sign bumgarner and odorizzi to work the pen.


  • Arizona Phil 4 days 12 hours ago (view)

    CHARLIE: If the Cubs trade Quintana and his new club pays 100% of his 2020 salary his new club assumes 100% of his salary AAV liability, but if the Cubs agree to pay a portion of Quintana's 2020 salary as part of the trade, whatever portion of Quintana's 2020 salary that is paid by the Cubs would count against the Cubs 2020 AAV. 


  • Charlie 4 days 13 hours ago (view)

    PHIL: Thanks for that Boston context--I hadn't realized the trend there. If the Cubs did decide to pick up Quintana's option and then trade him (assuming the Cubs would not agree to pay part of the contract as part of the trade), do they have to do that by a certain date in order for Quintana's contract not to count against them for the CBT? I haven't been able to find any dates attached to the CBT in a quick internet search.


  • Arizona Phil 4 days 13 hours ago (view)

    My presumption in the Cubs declining Jose Quintana's 2020 club option as well as declining the club options on the veteran relievers who have one and non-tendering Addison Russell (and this also applies to Joe Maddon not returning as manager in 2020) is that after the monumental late-September collapse of 2019 on the heels of the 2018 Game #163 and Wild Card game defeats Ricketts will no longer accept the Cubs payroll going over the CBT threshold ($208M AAV in 2020) or extending a manager making $5M a year.   


  • crunch 4 days 19 hours ago (view)

    i actually like ATL the team...the fans and the 3+ hours of tommy hawk chawpin' non-stop is beyond annoying before even getting into how messed up it is they're still doing that in 2019.  it's all they do, just that 1 single thing...for hours...

    fans were so upset about not getting foam hatchets pre-game yesterday (that was the club's way to "dial it back") they were busy letting the "PC police" know they're here to chant and chop as loud as they could before the first pitch was even thrown.

    it took about 10 runs to shut them up.


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 5 days 9 hours ago (view)

    Damn. Atlanta was the only team in the NL I was hoping would advance. I don’t know what I was hoping in LA vs WAS series. Cataclysmic event? (Side note, I live in the DC area, what a dreadful group of fans. They deserve nothing good ever.)


  • crunch 5 days 11 hours ago (view)

    i live in the south.  my personal hell has been ATL fans by a huge amount more than STL (or even CWS) fans.

    i've made my decision to sell out my people for personal comfort.