Maddon Era ends, Grandpa Rossy Era resumes

The news broke today that the Cubs have concluded their managerial search and hired David Ross to a three-year contract with a club option on the fourth year. Thus concludes what should be one of the least interesting events of the offseason--and all before the postseason has even concluded! I invite you to share your thoughts on the hiring, the Astros-Nats World Series, and other late October baseball goings-on as you see fit.


can ross speak spanish?

he's a long-time career catcher so i assume he at least speaks "baseball spanish."

So, since Borzello didn't land the mgr. gig, will he be retained in role to which he's become accustomed?

Meaning the guy who translates the technical analysis to the players?  I don't know if Ross is prepared to do this.  I was hoping for a manager that was master of both the human and analytic sides. 

i wonder what d.ross's idea of lineup construction look like...where does he lean on defense vs bat production...will he continue to put strong hitters with power in the 2/3 slot rather than a more traditional 3/4 (which is thankfully becoming less traditional)?

borzy needs more hyphens in his title.  he does a little bit of everything and people seem to like how he does it.  hope he sticks around.

Jesse Rogers said he was fairly certain Butterfield was gone.  Thought other guys could be asked back.  But he was just guessing - even with his insider status.  Ross presser Monday 11 am CT.

As long as Lester Strode is back!

sweaty les should get a lifetime contract, low 7 figures a year, extra meal money, VP position in Bryzzo Souvenir Company upper management, and a full case of Simoniz...for a start.

old cubs friend john mallee (hitting coach, 2015-17) is joining maddon in LAA as an assistant hitting coach.  mallee's one of those "launch angle" gurus...player favorite for being accessable and likeable.

they're getting the band back together...

I bet Butterfield joins Joe too.

It will also be interesting to see if any "Maddon Cubs" end up in Anaheim this off-season, like maybe Cole Hamels, Ben Zobrist, Steve Cishek, and/or Pedro Strop, or even Yu Darvish (if he opts-out)? 

LAA is expected to raise payroll for 2020 according to their owner, but it's not expected to be extreme amounts.  either way, they're ready to throw a little money out in the FA market even with some arbitration payroll hits.

fwiw, g.cole is from orange county and heavily linked to LAD/LAA interest (and NYY, like everyone ever who's a FA).

Mike Olt officially called it quits as of Oct. 25. I have always wondered if his vision issues following his concussion never fully went away.

Mark Feinsand at lead with Nick Casellanos in his profiles of "divisive" free agents. An anonymous GM comped his free agency to JD Martinez with the idea that it could be late in the off-season before he signs:

cast has very little reason to not hold out as long as possible.  getting a strong 5+ year deal is probably going to be a high priority for someone who doesn't turn 28 until spring training.

he's not much of a RF'r, but he's not inept enough to consider him a DH.

as much as some cubs fans would love to see him return, i dunno if this team can thrive on an OF corner of cast/schwarb even with the plate production they provide.  heyward in CF isn't bad, but it wasn't ideal trying to cover for that corner setup.

The defensive metrics have hated him, but I didn't watch him closely enough to make a judgment myself. I was surprised when I first saw how bad the numbers are.

it's decent when he gets to it, but that's part of the problem.  he's got a good arm that helps a bit.

if someone does sign him, they might have a longterm eye on him playing 1st.

Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat
#Cubs Theo on whether Ross will be his own man: "if you're a front office and want to hire a puppet, you don't hire David Ross"

mlbtr has per Heyman on MLB Network that Mark Pryor is going to be Dodgers pitching coach as Rick Honeycutt is retiring.

2003 seems like a foggy dream but I can still see #22 with the high fastball strikeout pitch that was unhittable (at least until Pudge's 8th inning at bat).

good for prior.  hopefully he's deleted tom house's phone number by this point in his career.

darvish confirms he's going to remain a cub.  he "likes chicago" and the cubs have 4/81m remaining on his deal.  btw, he had a second half of 2.79era + 0.81whip.

hendricks - lester - darvish - Q - graveman/mills/chatwood (pending traded and additions)

butter joining maddon in LAA, 3rd base coach.

tim buss also going to LAA.

The recent mass quitting at Deadspin is a bummer--or rather the cause of the mass exodus is the bummer. I hope they all get good work elsewhere.

truth.  i feel like i have a bit of my at-work time wasting fodder ripped from me.

drew magary probably doesn't have much to worry about, but it's not like there's a lot of media outlets out there hiring and ready to pay all that tallent hitting the job market at once.

Buss-y ending an 18-year stretch with the Cubs to join Maddon's Angels:

Butterfield ends a much shorter stint with the Cubs to do the same.

Quintana's option picked up, Holland's declined. No other word yet per MLBTR.

As part of the trade agreement last July, Giants are responsible for paying the Derek Holland $500K 2020 club option buy-out if it's declined by the Cubs. 

Cubs club options and player opt-out options still pending (deadline is 5 PM Eastern on Monday):

Tony Barnette ($3M club option - no buy-out required)
Jason Heyward: (player opt-out - would receive $20M on April 1st if he opts-out) 
Brandon Morrow ($12M club option or else $3M buy-out)
David Phelps ($5M club option plus $3.5M in potential performance bonuses - no buy-out required)
Anthony Rizzo ($16.5M club option or else $2M buy-out)

Also, Kendall Graveman (who is - NOT - eligible to be an Article XX-B MLB FA) has a $3M club option with $500K in potential performance bonuses and Cubs cannot tender Graveman a 2020 contract if club option is declined. 

as expected (mostly), strasburg will opt out of his final 4/100m and become a free agent.

with cole likely ending up in LAD/LAA/SD, stras and the yanks will probably be linked in rumors from now until he second he signs with the yankees.

The Angels actually could sign both Gerrit Cole - AND - Stephen Strasburg and still be just under (or right at) the 2020 CBT threshold.

Mike Trout: $35.5M AAV
Albert Pujols: $24M AAV
Justin Upton: 21.2M AAV
Zack Cozart: $12.67M AAV 
Andrelton Simmons: $8.28M  AAV 
Andrew Heaney: $5M (arb est)
Hansel Robles: $4M (arb est) 
Tommy LaStella: $3M (arb est)  
Cam Bedrosian: $3M (arb est) 
Luis Garcia: $2.5M (arb est) 
Kevan Smith: $1.5M (arb est)
Noe Ramirez: $1M (arb est) 
Kole Calhoun: $1M (club option buy-out)
2020 MLB PLAYER BENEFIT COSTS: $14M (counts against AAV)
2020 TOTAL AAV: $144M (est) 

2020 CBT threshold is $208M  

So if Cole were to sign (let's say) for 8/$280 ($35M AAV) and if Strasburg were to sign (let's say) for 6/$180 ($30M AAV), the Angels would be right about exactly at the 2020 CBT threshold, and they could even sign both Cole and Strasburg and come in under the 2020 CBT threshold it if they can move Andelton Simmons and/or Zack Cozart in a trade or trades.  

Otherwise, the Cozart and Simmons contracts ($22M AAV combined) come off the books after 2020, and the Pujols contract ($24M AAV) is done post-2021, so even if the Angels were to go slightly over the CBT threshold in 2020 in order to sign both Cole and Strasburg they could easily get down under it again in 2021 and even moreso after 2021. 

that's just awesome.

meanwhile, i'm over here wondering if the cubs offseason includes signing kyle barraclough as a reclaimation project.

seriously, though...i would figure the team is in for some "realignment" of talent as we know it.  the core of guys we're used to the past few years might be missing 1 or 2 guys with some new immediate impact addition(s) when it's all said and done.  at least, it seems that's where the offseason buzz is moving for the cubs.  they're yet to be linked to anyone worth metioning in the FA market rumor mill.

the addition of craig kimbrel was supposed to be a surprise late addition carrying over into this season as an impact player.  unfortunately, that not only doesn't seem like an addition going into 2020, it seems like dead weight at 16m a year for the next 2 seasons.  i'm hoping for better because doing worse is almost impossible.

rizzo wins NL GG (1st)

n.arenado wins his 7th consecutive GG (3rd) in his 7th MLB season.  domination.

It's good to see Rizzo get recognition for his defense. Although the Cubs certainly needed more offense than Almora provided, the moving of Heyward to CF when Castellanos was acquired hurt the defensive strength and made it mediocre, which affects the pitching. Stability at 2B would be nice Especially on defense. 

phelps, morrow, graveman, barnette options declined.

surprised about gravemen not being picked up.

Me too. He is a solid number 5 starter.

Glad we paid for his rehab?

i look forward to the alec mills vs colin rea battle for the 5 slot.

I'm as shocked as I could be about a player I've never seen in a Cubs uniform, which sounds way more sarcastic than I mean it to sound! Unless they know he's not fully healthy, or they are absolutely convinced they will add two or more decent starting pitchers to the roster, I don't get it.

maybe they needed $3m that badly for something.  hopefully they're not looking to cut payroll or severely tighten spending.

Probably a meh middle reliever

cj edwards is a free agent.

Closer of the future?

totally edwards for future closer.  no wait, make that maples.  no wait, make that...uh...mike mcavene.  yeah, mike mcavene.  we're gonna go with that for now.

Maybe sign Kevin Gregg or Jose Veras to ease them into the role.

Phelps's option also not exercised. Hmm.

if maddon didn't try to get him into every single game to pitch to just 1-2 guys he might have stuck around at a lower price.  2 fewer appearances and he's $2m less ($3m vs $5m).

when he got to the cubs he was turned into some weird workhorse specialist rather than an inning-guy.  with the new 2020 pitching rules, having phelps around as a legit full-inning guy would have been nice.

it's no sure thing he would have been retained even at $3m, but at $5m that decision to cut him loose got easier.

Agreed, I thought he was a lock at 3 mil. Was a toss up at 5

Yeah it was especially odd when all the minor league arms came up. I remember a half dozen games or so when I was confused as to why Maddon would go to Phelps to pitch to two guys knowing what that meant financially.

They're going to use it as evidence in the Bryant dispute. Galaxy brain.

that's some of that 4-D chess i keep hearing about.

checkmate, boras.  cub gets 10 more years of club control for bryant.

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  • crunch 4 hours 5 min ago (view)

    after dragging their feet, the cubs commit to paying their minor leaguers through june.

    i'm a bit dissapointed they're not going to pay the last 2 months.  yeah, they're not the worst owners (in fact, the "through june" thing is common), but they can do better for their baseball household.


  • Cubster 15 hours 46 min ago (view)

    "in normal times..."

    It was the burst of times, it was the worst of times.


  • Cubster 15 hours 56 min ago (view)

    "Setting aside how stupid it is for fans to blame players when owners are all so much more..."

    I blame Pete Ricketts


  • crunch 1 day 2 hours ago (view)

    i can't believe this kind of stuff is what we're talking about 2 months into the 2020 season...i can't believe a lot of stuff about 2020 outside of the game, too.


  • crunch 1 day 6 hours ago (view)

    contract rights are retained by the team.

    in normal times this keeps labor relations between employer and player not too volitile with only a handful of player/owner issues.  in times like this you see a system that was not designed for an event like this.

    some owners are being responsible over the players who's contracts they control while other owners make us realize why the guillotine was occsasionally popular during revoltutions/revolts.


  • Jackstraw 1 day 7 hours ago (view)

    So they are all free agents?  Or still under contract and not getting paid?  I'm sure AZ Phil or someone else has covered this but I haven't been keeping up with all the fine points of baseball's problems recently.


  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 9 hours ago (view)

    Manfred is such a dreadful commissioner. It's his job to walk a fine line and maintain peace in labor relations. Instead he lets the owners do whatever they want.

    Cannot wait for a long, bitter strike after 2021. And for the owners to ultimately turn plenty of fan sentiment against players.


  • crunch 2 days 2 hours ago (view)

    "The A's told their minor leaguers Tuesday that they will not continue to pay them their current salary of $400 per week beyond May 31."

    classy.  absolute class act stuff right there.


  • crunch 2 days 4 hours ago (view)

    Evan Drellich @EvanDrellich
    The MLBPA is very disappointed with MLB’s economic proposal today, source tells me and @Ken_Rosenthal, calling additional cuts proposed “massive." League offered to share more playoff revenue, but on balance, those dollars are small compared to what players give up, PA believes.


  • crunch 2 days 5 hours ago (view)

    A's are furloughing nearly all of their staff through the entire organization...including scouts, which make a shockingly low amount of money.

    the A's are owned by a multi-billionaire who inherited his loot from dad (founder of The Gap)...and him + family spent $10m trying to keep Obama from getting a 2nd term, which i assume is their idea of a good investment in their community...whereas paying loyal employees for years/decades for a few months is...well...*shrug*


  • Ryno 2 days 12 hours ago (view)

    Depends on who you are.


  • Ryno 2 days 13 hours ago (view)

    Sorry--Just needed to experience a little normalcy.


  • Ryno 2 days 13 hours ago (view)

    That was the dumbest lineup I've ever seen.


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  • Cubster 3 days 10 hours ago (view)

    speaking of Trump's trained rats...


  • Hagsag 3 days 16 hours ago (view)

    Cubster, your comments about President Bone Spurs could not be more accurate. Thanks for posting!