Goodbye Darvish, belated Goodbye Theo / "Hot" Stove Thread

If the departure of Theo Epstein in mid November was not a clear sign of things to come, today's trade of Yu Darvish certainly heralds the arrival of a rebuilding phase for the Chicago Cubs. It has been widely reported that the Cubs and Padres agreed on a deal sending Darvish and Caratini to sunny San Diego, fomer Brewer Zach Davies to the Cubs rotation, and two pairs of young shortstops and outfielders to Cubs' minor league facilities for years to come.

Davies is coming off of a promising year and the 4 young prospects have some upside. However, as of now many regard this deal as a salary dump for the Ricketts family. Darvish is owed just under $60 million for the 3 years remaining on his contract. That is a signifiant chunk of payroll, but an absolute bargain at his most recent level of performance. For approximately two years, fans and writers have speculated that a partial or full rebuild would begin with the trade of a Cubs star position player: Bryant, Contreras, or Baez. Bryant's health and performance seems to have hampered his trade market, however, and the Cubs have instead tread water the past two seasons. Now, Jed Hoyer's first big move as man at the helm has the team dealing from an area of weakness (the starting rotation) for a package of prospects far from the majors. It is unlikely that this will be the first domino to fall.

So, here's a thread for us all to discuss the so-called "hot" stove--more tepid than ever with the 2021 outlook uncertain for all of MLB. Who will go next? Is Hoyer looking at a full rebuild or some hybrid option? Did David Ross get the rug yanked out from under him? Will the Ricketts family cling to any of the remaining good will from 2016? How many Kyle Hendricks-lites does it take to fill out a starting rotation? Discuss amongst yourselves.

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It's back to watching the Cubs just to hear the sound of the typewriter go clickety-clack in the background. 

Oh wait. 

I wonder if Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk are in the market to buy a team. 

They could introduce cyborg players. Cubs already have Rizzo. It's worked out pretty well. A few more would be awesome. 

O&B, the typewriter days, yeah...đź‘Ť

Cubs are apparently "extensively shopping" Willson Contreras.

Hopefully we can acquire one year of a mediocre starter and some more total lottery tickets for him, too!

*checks 29 team rosters of 18-20 year olds fresh out of dominican ball*

i mean...is hoyer trying to build his legacy by playing the numbers or does he truly believe this is the best path forward for the cubs?  the kids that were picked up in that darvish trade are so far down the pipeline i'm questioning 2022 before 2021 has begun.

without making a single move, this is still the team that won the division last year and went 8 games over .500 while only losing  reliever jeremy jeffress as a talent loss.

jon lester's 3 wins with a 5.16era and 10 innings of jose quintana won't be missed.

He was pretty obviously told "you want the job? Cut payroll for a few years. We'll give you a couple years to get things going in the right direction"

 Of course the subtext was "we don't care about the fans or about winning."

I wouldn't be opposed to getting Quintana for a year if he'd be willing to do so -- maybe he could do well to build up his value and potentially be sufficient to give him a qualifying offer :)

I'm a hater of Marquee Network from the moment they teamed up with Sinclair.

In today's Tribune...Paul Sullivan:

Darvish deal starts undoing of Cubs

...They could stop watching Marquee Sports Network, but would anyone notice? The only thing on these days besides Cubs reruns and Ryan Dempster are shows about betting, surfing, bass fishing and other activities with a limited audience.

On Tuesday morning I turned on Marquee to see if there was any discussion of the Darvish deal. Appropriately, a show called “Follow the Money” was airing. Alas, it had nothing to do with the Cubs.

It seems like eons ago, but it was only last January that Ricketts was booed at the Cubs Convention when he mentioned Marquee, which had yet to come to an agreement with Comcast, the largest local cable provider.

Ricketts appeared quite shocked.

“What do you have against the Marquee Network?” he asked the crowd.

The booing only grew louder.

“Believe me, you won’t be booing (about Marquee) in a year,” he said.

He was partially correct. Almost one year later, they’re booing ownership more than the network. Fortunately for Tom and his brother Todd, who oversaw fundraising for President Donald Trump’s FAILED reelection campaign, the 2021 Cubs Convention has been canceled because of COVID-19, so the siblings won’t be booed in public.

Who would’ve guessed last January that their world would turn upside down, the Cubs’ wheelbarrow would be bare, Wrigley would be fan-free, more than 100 Cubs employees would be laid off, Epstein would resign, announcer Len Kasper would bolt for the White Sox and Darvish would be dumped after a Cy Young Award-caliber season?

Oh, what a year it has been.

But hope springs eternal. There’s always next year, and at least the Cubs have a ready-made slogan for 2021:

“Follow the money.”

Let's Go, Follow the Money.

"Cubs president Jed Hoyer said Wednesday that the rumors about Willson Contreras being shopped are "fictional.""

"Hoyer also told reporters during Wednesday's press conference that he thinks "we're going to have a really competitive team next year""

...awaiting further moves over here, jed...c'mon...

Competitive in what way? Competitive for a top five draft pick?

Last I checked, actual competitive teams have more than 1 proven above average SP

On that topic, I've begun the process of emotionally detaching from Kyle Hendricks.

Add a few scrap heap starters and a bounce back from Javy or Bryant and the team could be competitive versus the NL Central.  Not competitive versus Dodger, Braves, Padres and other elite team but they would have a chance at being the fastest turtle in the NL Central. 

Can someone tell Jed Hoyer to please stop talking.  The  words that come out of his mouth justifying  his dumpster dive trading tactics are an assualt on fans ears..

DJL: The way I read that is with the Pirates in a full rebuild, the Cubs and Reds shedding payroll, and the Brewers and Cards basically staying pat, the N. L. Central is now the weakest division in MLB, maybe like the NFC East. 

Ahhh now I see! First to 75 wins is the victor!

Report that Schwarber gets $10 million from Nats. Good for him, wish him well.  Seems like Jed didn't do a very good job trying to trade him if his free agent value was higher then his expected arbitration salary.

that is a huge wtf fail if it's not incentive driven.  was the desire to cut payroll so high that they didn't want to risk being "stuck" with him?  did they improperly gauge the market (by being off by mulitple millions)?

seeing as the cubs seem to be looking for 12 year olds who won all-star on their little league teams in trade, it's not like they wouldn't be able to find a taker for a long-off "maybe" prospect in return.

I'm always confused by this. They also could have tendered him and then boosted his value by trading him with a million or two in cash considerations. Obviously, that's a million or two more expensive than simply non-tendering--but couldn't you at least get an interesting prospect in return from one of these teams? They obviosuly thought it was worth their return to toss in a few million in the Darvish trade.

The 2021 amount is 7.

The buyout is 3.

8>7

The 2021 guaranteed amount is $7 + $3 million mutual option buyout. 10>8.  Most media reports summarizes it as a $10 million deal. 

PHIL: Did the Cubs release Saul Vazquez?

(Not Phil) - Last I saw, he was on the restricted list.

Yeah, to my calculation that suspension should be over by now unless he got caught again...

Thanks Phil!

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  • crunch 15 hours 1 min ago (view)

    * all figures stated are in a range of +/- 10m

    yeah, that was me not typing info correctly.  my bad.

     

  • Arizona Phil 17 hours 37 min ago (view)

    Bryant got $19.5M 

     

  • crunch 19 hours 47 min ago (view)

    bryant 9.5m, contreras 6.65m, baez 11.65m, z.davies 8.63m

    looks like happ is going to arbitration.

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 day 16 hours ago (view)

    RHP Edward Vasquez (2017 IFA - Dominican Republic) has retired.

    E. Vasquez was one of the top SP on DSL Cubs Red in 2019 and was expected to be a SP on one of the Cubs AZL teams in 2020 if the minor league season hadn't been canceled.

    He would have been first-time Rule 5 Draft eligible post-2021. 

     

  • K Dub 1 day 19 hours ago (view)

    Thanks Phil!

     

  • crunch 1 day 21 hours ago (view)

    danny hultzen retires and joins the cubs as a "pitching development assistant"

    shame the comeback story didn't last longer...but hey, at least he got to taste the bigs after his body failed him for so many years.

     

  • crunch 2 days 13 min ago (view)

    theo joining the commish's front office operation as a "consultant reguarding on field matters"...basically weighing in on the possible impact of rules changes.

     

  • Arizona Phil 2 days 3 hours ago (view)

    https://www.thecubreporter.com/comment/266505#comm...

     

  • K Dub 2 days 3 hours ago (view)

    Yeah, to my calculation that suspension should be over by now unless he got caught again...

     

  • Wrigley Rat 2 days 7 hours ago (view)

    (Not Phil) - Last I saw, he was on the restricted list.

     

  • K Dub 2 days 8 hours ago (view)

    PHIL: Did the Cubs release Saul Vazquez?

     

  • Sonicwind75 6 days 1 hour ago (view)

    The 2021 guaranteed amount is $7 + $3 million mutual option buyout. 10>8.  Most media reports summarizes it as a $10 million deal. 

     

  • CubbyBlue 6 days 2 hours ago (view)

    Thanks Eric. After I put it up I thought.. damn I'm old. I wonder if people even remember back that far. I still think about that day. Uggh. Sorry. 

     

  • Charlie 6 days 2 hours ago (view)

    I'm always confused by this. They also could have tendered him and then boosted his value by trading him with a million or two in cash considerations. Obviously, that's a million or two more expensive than simply non-tendering--but couldn't you at least get an interesting prospect in return from one of these teams? They obviosuly thought it was worth their return to toss in a few million in the Darvish trade.

     

  • tim815 6 days 3 hours ago (view)

    The 2021 amount is 7.

    The buyout is 3.

    8>7

     

  • crunch 6 days 17 hours ago (view)

    chase strumpf is quickly emerging as a "trendy" organizational hot prospect, even among non-cubs fans.  amaya is having a decent winter league showing so far...taking a lot of walks, too.