Cubs vs. Nats: Series Thread (Games 108-110)

The Cubs continue their tour of the bottom portion of the NL East with 3 games against the Soto-less Nats. See below for matchups.


Game 108, Monday, August 8, 7:05 pm central

CHC: RHP Keegan Thompson (8-5, 3.48 ERA)

WSH: RHP Anibal Sanchez (0-4, 7.65 ERA)


Game 109, Tuesday, August 9, 7:05 pm central

CHC: RHP Marcus Stroman (3-5, 4.00 ERA)

WSH: RHP Paolo Espino (0-4, 4.20 ERA)


Game 110, Wednesday, August 10, 1:20 pm central

CHC: LHP Justin Steele (4-7, 3.67 ERA)

WSH: RHP Josiah Gray (7-8, 4.92 ERA)

Comments

hoyer announced that heyward will not be with the club next season.  it's been discussed by hoyer/heyward and hoyer wants heyward to prepare to go into the off-season knowing the situation.

I appreciate the heck out of Jason Heyward, the person. And this needs to be done regarding Jason Heyward, the baseball player and current occupant of a 40 man roster slot. Thanks for the leadership and for what you brought to the ball club and for giving me another data point in the mysteries of how one goes from a perennial 5-6 WAR player at age 26 to a barely 2.0 WAR player (in his good years) thereafter. Live well, Jason!

Thanks for the speech, Jason, enjoy your $184 million!

If you had asked me in the fall of 2015 if I'd have the Cubs overpay someone to the tune of 8 years and $184M if it guaranteed a World Series win, I'd scream YES, sprain both ankles and pull both hamstrings running to make it happen.  The contract was worth it for Heyward, a leader on and off the field and a player I deeply respect even if his on-field production never matched the earnings.  He never stopped trying, played great defense and made us proud to see him in a Cubs uniform.  Thank you for all you did for the team, Jason.  Best of luck next year.

I would have made the same call. Granted it's not my or your $184 mil so that's a pretty easy call for us.

That said, it was time for the end. I do wish him well, and genuinely hope he enjoys that sweet, sweet pile of money.

Just a reminder that in the 2015 off season, Heyward had 2 other offers equal or greater than $184M/8 yrs. He was a 5.0.WAR player ($32m+/yr value) at 26 years old signed to an AAV of $23M/yr. 

Epstein did NOT overpay for him.

Obviously, it didn't work out completely to the Cubs benefit. Just quite a bit tired of his Salary constantly being brought up like a 'dig'.

i know some of you guys like the heyward signing, but they gave 23m a year for 8 years to a guy that was hitting 10-15 homers and 30 doubles with a .350 ob% for 3 seasons coming into this contract.

great D is awesome, but it's RF...we're talking about 2 chances a game on average (and that's rounded up).

i didn't like the signing, but i didn't think it would be this much of an anchor.  7 years, 184m, and a slash line of .245/.323/.377 in 2836 trips to the plate (assuming he's mostly done this season with playing time).

amazing it wasn't theo's worst contract.  my vote solidly goes to edwin jackson 4/52m who was a total disaster...and he got cut early, too.  at least heyward had a use even if he was grossly overpaid for that use.

To clarify, I didn't say I liked the signing.

I disagree and am tired of the narrative that Heyward was 'overpaid'. He signed in 2016 for below market value.

How many FA offers/signings would be retracted if we could see 1 yr into the future, let alone 5-6 years.

yeah, he got his market...i just wish the cubs weren't in on it when it got to that level of $$ and years.  i didn't mind the years, but that is a lot of loot for michael brantley with a better glove/arm playing RF.

My objection to the Heyward signing (eight years - $184M - partial "no trade:" that would eventually morph into a full "no trade") was that Heyward would block RF for many years when two of the Cubs best prospects at that time (Jorge Soler and Eloy Jimenez) were rightfielders, and I thought the money coud be better spent. 

I try not to 2nd guess any moves made prior to November 2, 2016.  That being said, paying a premium for defense for someone who doesn't play a premium up the middle defensive position might not be a good strategy going forward. 

Also not sure I would say E-Jax was the worst signing.  If the goal was to tank and collect high draft picks then there were few better contracts than Edwin Jackson.

Reyes DH and batting 5th

he's not much of a fielder, but it's not like he's schwarber-level bad.

next 2 months will be interesting for how he fits into 2023 plans.  they bought a 1.5m lotto ticket.  if they win, they get to pay him 5m+ next year.  woo.

He isn't Schwarber level bad?  I have never seen him, but the reports on him are pretty bad.

it's not good.  it's not even average.  he's a below-average guy out there.

i dont think reyes belongs as a regular in LF/RF, but i don't think schwarber belongs in LF at all.  schwarber takes some of the weirdest routes i've seen since adam dunn (who had 0 business playing anything but DH, ever).  dunn is harsh...maybe BAL-era mark trumbo is more fair.

I hope the Cubs bring back Leiter next year.  I just love watching him blow leads, give up home runs and deflate whatever momentum the team is having.

Sounds like you've found your guy!

nice game today.

tommorow the 20-games-under-.500 cubs go play in a damn corn field with the 22-games-under-.500 reds.

IT'S CORN TIME, YO.

The record is clear that crunch reacted to the Heyward signings along the lines of "We're spending all this money for a rightfielder who has never had an .800 OPS?" He was right. Yes, he gave The Speech, which helped a bunch of old guys like me to go to our graves having seen the Cubs win a World Series. But as soon as he started to block younger and better players, he had to go. I was glad to acquire him, at least, because, like John Lackey, he wouldn't be with the Cardinals. But, sadly, the time has come.

we will always have "the speech"

that whole world series was great...an all-time game 7.  even the thankfully-short rain delay helped make it great.  any time a rain delay adds drama rather than dissapointment, that's a feat.

in the history of game 7 world series games, if that's not in everyone's top-3 i have no idea what they're looking for in a game.

k.thompson has finished his 12th red bull and he's ready to go.

reyes at DH again.  wisdom at 1st again.  morel at 3rd because okay...wish.com mczobrist playing 2nd