Game 32 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

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SP Ryan Dempster
Johnny Cueto
4-0, 3.16, 22 K, 19 BB
1-3, 5.40, 33 K, 6 BB
Alfonso Soriano CF
Ryan Freel
Ryan Theriot RF
*Ken Griffey Jr.
Derrek Lee 2B
Brandon Phillips
*Kosuke Fukudome 1B
*Joey Votto
Geovany Soto 3B
Edwin Encarnacion
Mark DeRosa
*Adam Dunn
*Mike Fontenot SS
Jeff Keppinger
*Felix Pie C
*Paul Bako
Ryan Dempster
Johnny Cueto





So once again Lou puts Felix Pie in versus the most difficult of righties. Over the weekend, he got the start versus Adam Wainwright, but sat versus Lohse and Wellemeyer. Tonight he gets Johnny Cueto. It's tough being a rookie on Lou's bad side. Ramirez sits another day and Soto and DeRosa flip spots in the lineup.

Speaking of lineup construction, Dusty reminds us why we all grew tired of him. Griffey and Dunn are both struggling right now, but Dunn still is maintaining a 375 OBP versus Griffey's 310; naturally you bat Dunn 6th.

Sure would be nice to get the sour taste of last night's lost out of our mouths with a win tonight, preferably of the blowout variety.


You got that right on Pie. He sat out almost all the games against the Pirates, which alone would have given him 50 pts. to his average, while everyone else absolutely feasted.

What shit. Soriano, Pie, and DeRosa (the DP machine). So - that gives us 6.5 offensive producers tonight. Better hope the Demp is really on...

and the soriano saga continues dusty had nelfi lou has sori both blind to the reality of the situation let give sori a raise maybe hes not happy with his salary

Is anyone else watching the MLB.TV feed with the Reds announcers? Is it just me, or are they complete assholes in the way they talk about the Cubs. Way more so than any other road team I've heard this year.

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In reply to by WISCGRAD

WISCGRAD - it's not just you. One guy went way overboard early in the game to note that although Pie doesn't have an error, that he's overthrown cut-off men repeatedly and is generally inaccurate with his throws. He went on to say that he hadn't seen Pie's throws in person -- based his comments on the scouting reports he was getting. They both seemed very aggressive/hostile to say the least. The sweep by the Braves maybe put 'em over the edge.

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In reply to by Eric S

Anything that is not WGN I have to watch on MLBTV, so I've heard some pure crap this year. But the Nationals announcers I thought were great, it was almost like watching a national TV game. The rest of the lot have been homers, but not derogatory towards the Cubs. These guys are bad.

Huh. Makes you wonder if the Reds front office gave their broadcast crews an order to spark a rivalry with the Cubs this season. I guess if you can't do it on the field, you try to do it from the booth?

Yeah, that killed the inning/game right there. Replays showed he actually was safe, mainly because Cordero doesn't know how to make a tag, but he was "out" so to speak by 10 feet. You don't run on that one. Pinella looked pissed off, but undecided if he should yell at the ump or Fontenot. I think he gave a little bit to both.

Fontenot and Theriot are zero-sum players. the former more so than the latter, but still - for each solid play, there's a seemingly critical gaffe that hurts the team. was AAAA mike wearing a reds uni tonight?

Every umpire in MLB just gives outs because the ball beats you there. I agree bad decision by Fontenot, but these damn umpires need to get their fat asses out in front of the play and make the right call.

How comforting to know that .500 is in our reach again. Yes ROB G: for DeRosa right now, "The Sky IS falling!" Too many utility players who are starters on this squad. I WANT MY B-ROB! The way they are playing in this run, they will be lucky to win ONE game against the D-Backs this weekend. SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

this team has more bases loaded situations then any recent cubs team in memory. they just need to start getting some clutch hitting. these 3 run games suck, please more 9, 12, or 19 runs games.

This May is beginning to feel a lot like last May... Seems like every Cub error leads to runs for the other team, and every botched baserunning move or bunt is followed by a hit or walk that would have led to a big inning. Hmmmm...Maybe De-Ro can't play every single day. 0-3 with 3 K's, his average plummeting -- how about a couple of days off so Cedeno can play a bit? Two tough Reds pitchers followed by 3 with the D-Backs -- ugh. Defense needs to tighten up, and the bats need to get going.

wouldve liked some hitting from kosuke, but cant rely on him (and geo) every damned day. derosas slump is starting to hurt though. with woody blowing Zs win, a lot of our mojo seemed to change. now here we got dempster today at the same level as the rest of our "deep pitching". christ.

dempster is not a problem this is his contract year i said when season started he will be 2nd in wins this year i think i predicted 15. marquis and hill are the problems. hill may get straightened in time for second half. marquis what you see is what he is. i would like to see gallagher get a start i also like the idea of stretching marshall out and lou please start cedeno at third or second tonite.

It's hard not to be the ledge on though. We've seen the club piss away their lead in the division and it's undeniable that they are just playing bad baseball right now. I didn't expect them to keep up the 15-6 pace they started off at but I didn't think they'd play quite this badly. And while the Hill demotion was probably warranted, it causes a ripple effect where we now need to stretch out Marshall and hope when/if he gets re-inserted into the rotation he can provide some effective innings. I never thought I'd be saying this but RonCe does deserve more playing time. There's no reason for Fontenot to be out there. Surely we have better options on the farm? And I really think we'll still rue not getting B. Roberts from the O's. All the more reason to give RonCe more playing time.

Can someone please explain to me how Dunn's HR was not listed as an earned run to Dumpster? I can understand the RBIs Dunn got being unearned, but the HR not counting against the pitcher astounds me.

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In reply to by Tito

The clamoring has something to do with Lou's philosophy of "if you hit, you play." If Ronny plays near his potential, he's a better player than Theriot and maybe better than DeRo. He's got more pop than Theriot, more speed than DeRo, and can put the bat on the ball. If he continues to mature as a hitter (improved plate discipline) and can commit fewer errors at SS than he did in 2006, he's a good middle infielder. Of course, you also have to worry about how terribly he did in 2006 and the fact that his minor league career has consisted of a few very good years and a lot of pretty weak years.

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In reply to by Charlie

I hear you about RonCe (I'm warming to this, oddly), but I just find it amusing that he's now a favorite (don't worry, Dave, I know you've always liked him, especially compared to The Riot) based on a hot start, one that he's more than likely not going to maintain. That said, I have no problem giving him ABs that are going to Fontenot, but one could argue (I'm not) that Fontenot has been of the "if you hit, you play" variety entering last night.

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In reply to by Tito

If you compare the numbers for the year, Ronny beats out Fontenot by a long shot, as well as many of our everyday players. If you looked at Fontenot's ABs in the games leading up to last night's, he looks like a very good option. I think what most people wonder is why Ronny hasn't gotten some playing time considering how well he has hit over the beginning of the season. Sure, limited ABs aren't necessarily going to help you take away Soriano's starting job, but they should help you get playing time when A-Ram goes down with an injury, Theriot and Fontenot make baserunning mistakes, and Pie gets benched. And I don't think anyone expects Cedeno to maintain a .390 batting average, but if he continues his plate discipline he's got a real shot at .300 and 15 homeruns in a year. His big weakness at the plate has always been poor plate discipline. It'd also be nice if Cedeno learned to effectively steal a base, since I really do believe the only guy on the team he can't beat in a foot race is Pie.

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