Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Rockies

Cubs travel to Tuscon and throw Ted Lilly on the mound to start, Ryan Dempster is set to make an appearance as well. Brian Lawrence goes for the Rockies.


ROB: Lineup fr. Miles?

here's the lineup from

Soriano, Izturis, Pagan, Ramirez, Ward, Barrett, Derosa, Coats, Lilly

Pagan in RF, Coats in LF...

Rockies have their "A" lineup...
Taveras, Carroll, Atkins, Helton, Holliday, Hawpe, Tulowitzki, Torrealba, Lawrence

Soriano, CF
Izturis, SS
Pagan, RF
Ramirez, 3B
Ward, 1B
Barrett, C
DeRosa, 2B
Coats, LF

lineup for COL is as-expected starters (with the possible exception of tulowitzki at SS and carroll at 2nd...which is also highly possible they'll be starters, too).

yeah, what rob said.


I guess matsui is their starter at 2b, isn't tulowitzki their SS? or is still being decided between him and Barmes?

Thanks Guys!

ROB G: How'd you make out w/Cubs/Dodgers tix this year? I'm going to be @ the Saturday game. I hope they get some better food stuff going besides "Garlic Fries 'n Grease" Man - I tasted thise for 2 weeks!

haven't even looked yet, never had a problem getting day of game or a few weeks before once I figure out what I can go to...

I'm still trying to figure out a way though to not pay McCourt for parking there. If he's going to keep raising prices, he could at least try and improve the horrid configuration.

and allow tailgating...

on another note, shouldn't give free access to during the pre-season? Wouldn't that be a good way to promote their product and get people interested?

Soriano goes deep to start the game

Definitely a 'make the squad' day with Murton, Floyd, and Jones sitting. Coats, Pagan, and Ward are playing for a spot today.

SORIANO DEEEEEEEEEP.. I can get used to that!

carrol is supposed to be their starter at 2nd, but he's having a horrid spring. numbers aside, he's just not making good contact and they already might displace mr. dear meat at SS and move him to 2nd.

they got 3 similarly tallented, but no-slam-dunk options for 2nd right now.

Ward's not playing for a spot, he's got a million dollar guaranteed contract...

"I’m still trying to figure out a way though to not pay McCourt for parking there."

I've been to quite a few parks. Parking there is absolutely atrocious.

Rob, for clarification, Tulo's the guy at short for Colorado. It'll probably be Matsui at second, but he'll split some time with Jamey Carroll. I don't think Barmes is going to play that much at all unless Tulo totally sucks.

If this group gets something out of their young guys, they might be dramatically improved this year. Tulowitzsky and Ianetta both need to hit well. Still gotta find a way to get guys out at the back end of the rotation and in middle relief. LaTroy Hawkins looks like he's firmly the setup man to get to Fuentes.

Also, what crunch said.

Are any of the Cubs among the ST leaders in RBI, extra base hits, or total bases or ERA?

"I’m still trying to figure out a way though to not pay McCourt for parking there. If he’s going to keep raising prices, he could at least try and improve the horrid configuration."

Email me and I'll will tell you the greatest parking tip for all of Chavez Ravine!

I hope this trend of scoring runs early continues into the season.

There was a post a while back about Cubs runs scored and runs allowed for last season. The Cubs scored a lot of runs in the early innings last year.

If this is tryout day, Izturis with his 3 outs in 2 PA's batting 2nd must be locking down the 8th slot.

Jacque has 12 RBI's, tied for 4th with a bunch of guys...

if that was Soriano's fourth, he's tied for 3rd right now..

Ward with a single and RBI in his AB, seems to have picked it up. Pagan scored that run after his double.

Is Pagan hitting from the left-side?

nevermind, Soriano's third homer of the spring

Yeah, they scored a lot of runs early last year, then often would go completely comatose for the rest of the game. I just would like to see this continue.

Pretty sure Pagan batted left handed in the first.

Lily just pitched out of a bases loaded no-outs jam, pretty impressively though it was 8,9,1 due up.

Lilly enjoying NL Lineups I see....

let us hope he pulls an Arroyo this year.

Yeah, along with the Home Runs against division rivals. Didn't Arroyo hit like 3 or 4 off the Cubs last year?

Who was the Cubs career minor league 3b who hit like 8 ST homers a couple of years back?

I believe he went to Japan.

Scott McClain?

Does anyone know why will show a game on (audio + video), but not carry the audio feed for Gameday subscribers?


Yes, thanks.

McClain is either with the A's or Giants right now, tore up the PCL last year.

probably no radio broadcast.....

I’m still trying to figure out a way though to not pay McCourt for parking there.

Here is your tip.

Don't drive. Take a bus.

they have buses in L.A.?

Rob G.:
"on another note, shouldn’t give free access to during the pre-season? Wouldn’t that be a good way to promote their product and get people interested?"


Are you serious? This is MLB and Selig we are talking about. Remember they are trying to do things that limit the people who can buy their product.

But in all seriousness. I agree, it would make sense to "tease" MLBtv to try and attract more subscribers.

I feel like I was able to do that at one point, either last year or the year before for 1 game in ST...

Last year they gave free video feed for the world baseball classic dealy...

gagne getting punished in his first "a" game. 2hr's..

Radio broadcast or not. How about just the audio feed from when there are no other sources? bad...the inning turned over...gagne only gave up 1 homer...sorry, semi-distracted.

Thus far, it's another good outing for Lilly. He's got a 4 hitter going into the 4th. I just realized his spring ERA is under 2.

the wheels fell off for Lilly in the 4th I see....

Comcast use to offer the first week of the mlb ticket for free.

I just realized his spring ERA is under 2.

My web page says 4.26

barry bonds is still good at hitting homers, btw...just took whatshisface asian dude closer-guy-type from texas out.

yeah they did that on DirecTV as well....

Oh the Rockies announcers declared Barrett is one of the best two-way catchers in the game...I didn't know men could be two-way catchers, but it does go to show the 'he hits good, he must field good' mindset that baseball people seem to fall into.

go dempster, 1 bb, 1 h and a double play....mid-season form.

Well, I'd say I successfully put the whammy on Ted Lilly today. Fine job, Wesley.

O-man!!!!! 1 IP, 1 K, 1 BB, 0 runs...

We are #1! Everyone else is #2 or lower!

Ubaldo Jimenez seems to be owning us for 3 innings..

Lawrence owned us for the last 4 inning he pitched too... Offense has gone to sleep....

GUZMAN!!!! 1 IP, 1 K, 0 BB, 0 H

at least we busted a few singles off Lawrence. We did draw 3 walks against Jimenez, one measly hit.

The U-Ball!

Kid has some really electric stuff. Saw him pitch a couple of times on a trip out west. He'll be a good one in the next year or two for the Rockies. They'll be on to something with U-Ball on Fuentes at the end.

He's also doing this against what is certainly our B group of Pie, Cedeno, Pagan, Perez, Hill, DeRosa, Coats, and Hoffpauir.


Piniella utilized GUZMAN in relief in the 8th

PIE was brought in late (why he was brought in at all, I dunno) and struck out both plate appearances. Maybe he was told to unflatten his swing.

make it 4 innings of ownage by Jimenez for the save, Cubs lose 4-2.

Tom Verducci has an interesting article on talking about how drastically things have changed in baseball since the '90s. I don't necessarily agree with his conclusion of who will be in the World series in 2007, but it's interesting reading nonetheless. The link is:

Guzman a K on a high curveball, a flyout to the warning track in center and a groundout to second.

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  • kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.

    i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.

    crunch 4 min 2 sec ago view
  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 51 min 22 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 1 hour 56 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 2 hours 41 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 28 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 4 hours 28 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 35 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 5 hours 12 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 5 hours 12 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 5 hours 15 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 5 hours 18 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 5 hours 19 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 5 hours 23 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 5 hours 35 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 5 hours 41 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 5 hours 43 min ago view