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Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

The recently released Jim Edmonds should clear waivers on Wednesday and it looks like the Cubs are going to bite. The move would likely send Felix Pie to the minors and give Edmonds the majority of playing time in a center field platoon with Reed Johnson.

[UPDATE 4:00 PM]:Ruz has added his take, at the bottom of the article.

So it's understandable that the Cubs want to upgrade center field right now. It seems to be the only weak spot in the lineup and some of our guys are certainly going to regress substantially from their early season success. But could the Cubs actually find someone to upgrade with?

A tale of the 2008 tape after the jump...

  Felix Pie
Jim Edmonds
BA/OBP/SLG 222/286/286 178/265/233
Home 194/268/278 091/139/121
Away 259/310/296 228/333/298
vs Righties
245/317/321 192/286/247
P/PA 3.61 4.23
Age 23 37
Defense Really Good
Slipping Fast
Intangibles
Not a douchebag
Frost his tips, has a vanity license plate that says "Hollywood"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other than pitches per plate appearance, Felix Pie is actually out-hitting someone in baseball and it happens to be the guy about to replace him. Granted, another bat in the lineup that is going to see over or near four pitchers per plate appearance is going to drive pitching staffs batty, but that's one small plus for this potential transaction in a sea of minuses.

Of course, it could be argued that Edmonds has a history of being a pretty good hitter and center fielder and he's going to bounce back at any moment.

I doubt it.

Edmonds OPS+

(Ed note: So as not to be misleading, 100 is a league-average OPS+, not 125 as the chart suggests. I assume most of you know that, but just in case.)

He's clearly on the downside of his career, I think he's actually going on the "put him out to pasture" part of his career.

But even if Hendry and the Cubs can catch some lightning in a bottle, it's Jim "Fucking" Edmonds. I hated this guy for every one of his eight seasons with the Cardinals. How the hell can you root for Jim Edmonds on the Chicago Cubs? There's part of me (a rather large part) that hopes he goes 0 for his first 20 or 40 or whatever it takes to get him cut as soon as possible. This is the guy that Zambrano drilled twice in one game after some home run showboating.

My stock response in these situations when the Cubs have a player that I'm not particulary fond of is, "I hope he does well, but I doubt it". In this case, I hope Zambrano drills him with a fastball the moment he walks in the clubhouse...and then another one the first time he takes batting practice...maybe one more when he's in the clubhouse shower.

Freaking Jim Edmonds is about to be a Cub...maybe Hendry can swing a deal to bring in AJ Pierzynski, Mark Buehrle, Roy Oswalt, Barry Bonds and Ozzie Guillen in as a bench coach. That would definitely take the "lovable" out of "lovable" losers. Oh sure, I want to the Cubs win, pretty much at all costs. But since I have serious doubts that Jim Edmonds will be anything other than a road bump for Felix Pie's eventual return to the club or a trade for legitimate upgrade, I'd rather the Cubs just let him ride off into the sunset. Or maybe off to the Reds.

Ruz's Take:

I will be so angry if this happens.

I have a visceral anti-Edmonds reaction, and the comments below show me I'm not alone. For me, it's not about his frosted tips (something which I will admit to having done myself). It's not even about the fact that he is more identified with the St. Louis Cardinals than just about any player in the last decade. That, in and of itself, wouldn't make this a bad signing. Believe me, if the Cubs traded for Albert Pujols, I would have no problem rooting for him.

No, the problem is that not only is Jim Edmonds Mr. Cardinal, he also sucks. He just got put on waivers by the Padres, who are currently the worst team in baseball. The Padres are hitting .233 as a team, and they decided they didn't want Edmonds any more, that they'd rather take their chances with Scott Hairston and Jody Gerut in center. Edmonds is about to turn 38 and is in the middle of his fourth-straight season of declining production. He's hitting 178/265/233 (yes, he's slugging .233!). Why send Felix Pie back to the minors to take a flyer on an aging veteran who might, but might not, regain his stroke?

Several years ago there was chatter about the Cubs acquiring Chipper Fucking Jones. Now there are few players in baseball I dislike more than Chipper Fucking Jones. In fact, there might not be any player in baseball I dislike more than Chipper Fucking Jones. But when the possibility of Chipper Fucking Jones becoming a Cub was raised, I got over my initial distaste because it seemed pretty clear that acquiring him would help the Cubs.

If Jim Edmonds was still getting on base at a .360+ clip and hitting 20-30 homers, I would be happy to see him in a Cubs uniform. After all, I'm a Cubs fan, and anything that makes the Cubs better makes me happy. But this isn't going to make the Cubs better; it's going to make them worse, at the expense of one of their young prospects, and it's going to come with the indignity of Jim Edmonds in a Cubs uniform.

DO NOT WANT.

 


One last poll on the NL Central Smackdown below this post or on the right sidebar...promise. I just want some data on what you guys think is the best overall staff in the NL Central. My ranks would be Cubs, Brewers (w/ Gallardo), Reds, Pirates, Cardinals, Astros.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

It's a proven vet Dude

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# Re: It's a proven vet Dude

In Lou's estimation, PIE is a proven **Dud** so if Edmonds is acquired it's possible that PIE is about to be traded, or at least offered in trade along with our other expendable outfielder MATT MURTON among others, to the team that showed interest in both, none other than THE SAN DIEGO PADRES.

GM Kevin Towers is in Chicago right now and I'm guessing, given the deep hole SD finds itself in, he's serious-talking to Hendry.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Nice Edmonds picture.

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Meh. Maybe this will be like Jason Kendall and produce some positive results. I tend to agree with Rob's skeptic stance though.

Although I also have a problem with rooting for Edmonds, it isn't going to keep me from being pleased when he does succeed. Apparently Hendry freely admits Edmonds isn't really a fix in CF, and maybe more ABs in AAA will somehow be beneficial for Pie (though I doubt that too).

# Slightly off topic...

Just did my lunch-time walk in Chi.

The winds are gusting 15-25mph!

Left field bleachers will be a very busy place today, hopefully off of Cub bats.

This is not the optimum conditions for Jason "I used to be a Sinkerball Pitcher" Marquis, who has had the ball up and over the plate his last three starts.

Ugh...

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# Re: Slightly off topic...

Our Marquis matchup today is... wait for it... Shawn Estes. Yep, the Padres just brought him up from Portland (which is coincidentally losing at this moment to the Iowa Cubbies).

Suddenly I feel better. :-)

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I'm hoping this is just the Sun Times trying to dig up some sports news. I'd have one heck of a hard time rooting for Edmonds. I really feel like we should just let Pie play. We're leading the NL in runs scored, so who cares if he bats .230 for now? And, actually, hasn't anyone else noticed that his numbers have slowly been rising? If they want to make changes, move Fukie over to CF and bring Murt back up (he's recently collected his first 3 doubles of the season).

Edmonds. I might vomit. I'd rather bring in Bonds. At least we could be pretty certain that Barry would hit.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

This... This, this is Not Wise.

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Trans,

Did you like the charts?

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Read my comment below.  :)

 

But I probably did read at least 66% of the words in this one.....   

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Re: Edmonds...is there any definitive answer with respect to the previous 50 concussions the Dude has had? Isn't he still in "recovery"?

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I'd be fine with it if it were a minor league contract. If Edmonds rebounds from the calf injury and starts hitting over .300 in a few weeks then bring him up and send Pie down for regular ABs. If not, then release him. But Hollywood is not going to agree to that.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Mark Prior had an MRI on Monday and is expected to fly out to Birmingham to meet with Dr. James Andrews on Wednesday. Not a good sign.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Tips-froster.

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One final, slightly more useful comment:

the graph is a bit deceiving in that the "center" line isn't 100, but 125. The decline is steep, but if you shifted the graph upward to make 100 the visual centerpoint, it wouldn't be quite so spectacularly horrid a sight.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Yea... that is a good example of how to distort data to prove a point.

But the graph does still show a drastic drop in production, but the bottom end of the production is not as bad as the graph makes it out to be.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I got lazy with the chart, but I figured 90% of our readers know that 100 is average for OPS+. The point of the chart is just to visually show the steep decline he's in.

 

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but I did add a little editor's note to clarify in the post...

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Oh, that's Edmonds' production numbers? I thought it was Bush's approval rating..

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Didn't think the comment that won this thread would be because of a political joke.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

No, Edmonds was at least productive at some point in his career.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Chances are Edmonds will flop...but Felix Pie isn't exactly setting the world on fire, if he was then they wouldn't have to worry about signing anyone. I'd say give him a month or so and if he isn't the right fit for the team get rid of him. I don't see any real downside. Its Pie that is holding back his own progression, not Lou Piniella or Jim Hendry.

# exactly

Its not like were going to be trading anyone good to get him. we are are going to sign him for the Vetern minamium and if he sucks after a month, we cut him and Pie gets a month in AAA to work on his adjustments in his batting stance. As long as they are not sold on him as the solution no matter what it is a no-lose deal.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

It is infuriating that Dusty is willing to play Edmonds over Pie with those numbers. If we are going to live with a line like that, at least let it be because we are building for the future. Pie has yet been given a chance to play a long string of games.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Let's take a look at the few recent scrap heap pick-ups, by Hendry, shall we?

Reed Johnson- Offense, C- Defense, A

Jason Kendall - Offense, B/B-(NLDS RBI), Defense, C+ (better than Barrett)

Chad Fox - Useless, D

Whom am I leaving out? In any case, two of the three have provided value to the club. Both Johnson and Kendall have "new life" at their new teams.

If this were to happen, it certainly would not be a long term commitment ala Jason Schmidt. Just like the above examples, it is a low risk, probably low reward type of move.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Wade Miller
Ryan Dempster

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

It is infuriating that Dusty is willing to play Edmonds over Pie with those numbers.

fantastic slip-up there!!!

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I would like to start a list of players the Cubs got too late in their careers. Perhaps they were serviceable or did a good job but still too late. Here are a few off the top of my head:

Gary Gaetti
Rick Aguilera
Rod Beck
Todd Hundley
Jason Kendall

Please add your own

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Howard Frickin' Johnson
Mel Rojas
Dave Smith

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

The above (Mel Rojas!) were not recent Hendry signs.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

this wasn't about hendry.

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Good additions

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Bobby Bonds
George Bell

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

yes on bonds but no on bell. Bell netted us Sosa, so the timing was perfect.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Well if you want to go back that far, how about going back further for a couple of Hall of Famers?

Jimmie Foxx
Robin Roberts
Hoyt Wilhelm

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Kal Daniels

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Larry Bowa?

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funny larry bowa tidbit

1978 posts this line: .294 .319 .370 3rd in mvp voting.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

is this a list of players we got on the backend of otherwise solid careers, or guys we got that we're never really that good...or both?

cause Mel Rojas was 30 when we signed him and really didn't have much of what I would consider a career, just a few good season. Hundley's a bit sketchy as well I would say....

 

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

You're right. Looking at his stats, they weren't as impressive as I thought, and I thought he was in his mid 30s.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

My stock response in these situations when the Cubs have a player that I'm not particulary fond of is, "I hope he does well, but I doubt it".

On the other hand, Rob, look at how well John Starks did when he became a Bull.

Oh, wait...

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Edmonds is a textbook douchebag, but if the Cubs are only paying him $300K I'm not going to get bent out of shape over the move. An Edmonds/Johnson platoon will probably be better than giving Johnson 130+ starts.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Dempster's turned out pretty well as a scrapheap pickup.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Let's take a look at the few recent scrap heap pick-ups, by Hendry, shall we?
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Just looking at non-pitchers, Oh the pain...
Tony Womack
Phil Nevin
Enrique Wilson
Ben Grieve
Jody Gerut
Matt Lawton
Damian Jackson
Rey Ordonez
Jose Macias
The Nefimeister

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

And what does the word RECENT mean to you?

For me, RECENT means "within the last 12 months".

MANNY TRILLO and I were/are very aware of "previous to RECENT" scrap heap signings. I have published the "definitive Hendry "stiffs list" right here, during the 2006 season.

However, the scouting, since qualified people have been added, has somewhat improved since the end of the 2006 season.

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# Anyway, Cubster -

I HATE Jim Edmonds. Almost as much as Will Oh-Man! Not quite - but almost.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Cubster
...Enrique Wilson...

Solid gold.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

they were on the scrap heap for a reason....


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Does Bynum count?

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Craig Monroe one of last years scrap heap pickups which didn't do so well with the Cubs is actually playing well with the Twins this year.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Now maybe Pie can go back to AAA and fix his swing. Probably not, he'll probably keep using that retarded swoop swing and he'll have all kinds of success in AAA and everyone will stand around scratching their heads trying to figure out Pie's mental block. Ugh... I have never been thrilled about Pie, the regulars around here know this very well. This is why, no one on the club is willing to coach him into good hitting mechanics. They figure, "well, he's clobbering the ball in AAA, let's not mess with it."

Edmonds? Meh, whatever. Better than nothing.

*runs and hides*

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Maybe when Edmonds puts on his Cub uniform he begans to melt like the Nazis at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Jim Edmonds is so old that his high school yearbook is IN the Lost Ark.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Jim Edmonds is so old his typical comeback is:

"Johann's Great Grandmother..."

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# Pie Dilemma

Like most Cub fans I have cultivated a hatred for Edmonds, but that's not why I don't like this signing. When guys throw on the blue pinstripes it usually doesn't take long to forget the past. I won't like it initially, but the first time Edmonds is standing on second base in his Cubs uniform, clapping his hands after a key RBI double, I'll like him fine.

The reason I don't like this is that it creates a no-win scenario for Pie that will inevitably reduce his value to the Cubs, either as a player or as a trade chip.

There are two possible scenarios after he is sent to Iowa. One, he tears AAA pitching up (again). If that happens, the conclusion will be a little different than when he was viewed as just an up-and-down "prospect" -- he will be finally cast as a certified AAAA player. If he fails at the major league level and then hits .375 at AAA, we will be forced to admit that his ceiling is probably at AAA.

The other possible scenario is that he struggles or does just OK at Iowa. If that happens, his career goes into a permanent holding pattern.

Under either of these scenarios, his confidence is dinged and his trade value is minimized. Is taking a flyer on a (hated) outfielder -- one who would at best be a stopgap option -- worth all that?

Either play Pie now or trade him now. Enough of these silly AAA games.

# Re: Pie Dilemma

Well, he probably WILL clobber AAA pitching and explained why above ^^^

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# Re: Pie Dilemma

While I agree that might be the perception of Pie, the kid is still 23. Plenty of very good major league players struggled in the majors at age 23.


# Frosted Tips

Frosted tips are such a great detail. Can you confirm that it is true?

Soriano has a really bad car. I assume many of these guys are douchebags, but so far the Cubs seem not to have amassed more than their fair share.

Hardest Cub to root for?

For my money, it was Ryno when he came back. Really pathetic.

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# Re: Frosted Tips

For my money, it was Ryno when he came back. Really pathetic.

How could someone not ROOT for Ryne Sandberg...ever? I mean, sure, he was past his time, but I certainly wanted him to do good. 

Frosted tips are such a great detail. Can you confirm that it is true?

Not sure about present-day Edmonds, but I have a mental picture of Edmonds in the past with some. I'll see if I can dig up some proof. 

# Speaking of Ryno

When did he become Larry Bowa?

Suspended for 3 games

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080511&c...

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# Re: Frosted Tips

my one minute web search didn't turn up a picture, but "Jim Edmonds" "frosted tips" in Google gets you quite a few hits...so I'm sticking with it.

 

# Re: Frosted Tips

Rob:

Indeed, Edmonds's frosted tips seem to be common knowledge.

A little additional searching turned up frosted tips on ARod and Clemens. Bad company.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Does Bynum count?
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He can count to 12 (if he uses Alfonseca's fingers)

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Baa-dum...dum..tssss!

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Edmonds is a scrotum and I don't want him on the Cubs.

Hey that Reed Johnson thing really worked out, huh? So let's replace him with another discard that sucks even more. Good fucking idea.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I took a roadtrip to St. Louis last summer. Even the Cardinal fans in my section had Zero love for Edmonds. The biggest complaint was his penchant for shortlegging routine flyballs into diving attempts. The consensus seemed to be that he was a Hot Dog Douche. That being said. Reed Johnson and Felix Pie have shown they aren't the answer. If Lou isnt going to put KFuk in center. Then we absolutely need to put SOMEONE out there who can add something to the offense. Be it a Edmonds/Johnson or Jack Jones/Johnson platoon.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Then we absolutely need to put SOMEONE out there who can add something to the offense. Be it a Edmonds/Johnson or Jack Jones/Johnson platoon.

How does Edmonds add something to the offense? 

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

San Diego has never been a hitters park. Plenty of hitters (Phil Nevin) who started losing their power, dropped like stones out there. It's possible that Edmonds gets back in the central. Faces pitchers he is familiar with. And sets his "Lightning trap" where it needs to be. Or Maybe he is really done. Either way, its worth it IMHO for the cubs to take a minimum wage flier on a guy with his track record. And trust me when I say it. I have hated Gay Jim more than anyone over the years. I just want the cubs to win. And since Lou aint gonna play Pie or Murton. We better get a vetern Platoon Lefty in here that can help. Edmonds,Jack Jones, Griffey, whomever.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I give it a week before Theriot is wearing eyeliner and half t-shirts.

# Putting out to pasture or putting out of misery?

"He's clearly on the downside of his career, I think he's actually going on the 'put him out to pasture part of his career."

As steep as that graph is falling, I think "putting him down" would be the more appropriate animal metaphor.

Sounds like he would come cheap, but there is a very good reason for that. And why opt for declining mediocrity when reliable mediocrity with at least a glimmer up upside (Pie) is around?

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Rooting for Dennis Rodman seemed hard at first, then easier.

If Edmonds performs and embraces the Wrigley faithful, it will be all right.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

If Chicago fans can root for Dennis Rodman, they can certainly root for Jim Edmonds. The level of vitriol and venom for Rodman was FAR worse in the late 80's/early 90's than it ever was for Edmonds, and he became a fan favorite. Granted, he was still good when he was with the Bulls so that was why. I doubt Edmonds will reach the level of success necessary to look past his past.

You know who would probably be good enough to overlook his indiscretions? Bonds. Fuku in center, Bonds in right 3 games per week would absolutely destroy the Central division. The outfield defense would be terrible, but if we thought the Cubs were seeing a lot of pitches/pa now...

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Also, having Bonds available to PH the other 3 games/week would be sick. The guy's a douche, but I'm guessing the fact that no team has even looked at him might have brought his ego a bit down to earth. I doubt he'd be a diva/jerk in the clubhouse on an unfamiliar team when being given a second chance. But maybe I'm just being too optimistic about the guy.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

"I doubt he'd be a diva/jerk in the clubhouse on an unfamiliar team when being given a second chance."

Once a diva/jerk, always a diva/jerk.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

You know what I would rather not have Barry Bonds on the Cubs.

People bitch about Soriano being an egomaniac, selfish prick (though where are those people now??!?!) and yet want to bring in Bonds.

Sorry in the peoples eyes he is a nobody, and to other franchises he is a cancer. No wants to legitamize his career by giving him a second chance.

The real HR champ is still Hank Aaron and the next may be A-rod, but Bonds will never be the champ in how the fans look at the game. He disgraced it.

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People bitch about Soriano being an egomaniac, selfish prick (though where are those people now??!?!) and yet want to bring in Bonds.

and yes, they're definitely the same "people"...

meh... 

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Are you referring to me as one of the "people" bitching about Soriano being an egomaniac, selfish prick? If so, that couldn't be further from the truth. I've stated that another 6.5 years of him will be an albatross due to his now chronically bad legs and high K rate, but I've never once commented on his personality. From what I've seen, Soriano seems like a happy-go-lucky guy who gets along with his teammates.

As for Bonds, I don't really want him, but as long as Hendry is going to sign an old, douchebag outfielder, we might as well sign the one who will actually OPS around 1.000.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Bonds in right is a terrible idea. How many singles/double would turn into triples/itphomers?

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Bonds defensive struggles are vastly overrated...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=867

but there's no way the Cubs would even consider signing Bonds anyway.

 

 

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Rob, defense is the excuse people use to back up their opinions when stats won't do the trick. You should know that by now!

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

You can link what you want but the truth is that with his leg problems, he has trouble running and he's never had a good arm (self admitted). Those two things are a recipe for disaster out there.

In his day, he was a great fielder. And by no means is he a butcher out there. but he can't move the way he used to. He's 43 for crying out loud.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

fair enough, if by some retarded string of events he signed with the Cubs, I would imagine he'd play left field and either Soriano or Fuku goes to CF and the other to RF.

Considering that's possibly moving two players to accomodate one that we dont' really need, it would be retarded.

 

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"Considering that's possibly moving two players to accomodate one that we dont' really need, it would be retarded."

and we agree.

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# BONDS!?!?!?!?

No way!!!

Wait for Junior to hit number 600 and deal for him.

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# Re: BONDS!?!?!?!?

Wait for Junior to hit number 600 and deal for him.

Absolutely.....

Cubs were one of the few teams he was willing to waive his no-trade for last year. Given the Mariners struggles, you have to figure they will be near the top of his list this summer.

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You know that I would rather not have Barry Bonds on the Cubs.
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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Jim Edmonds loves to party according to the picture with the cuties, how can you not love a player like that?

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

let's compile a list:

douchebag
douchebag
douchebag
douchebag
douchebag
dives for baseballs that should be routine catches
frosted tips
license plate says "Hollywood"
douchebag
douchebag
douchebag
played for Cardinals for 8 years while being a douchebag
douchebag
douchebag

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

That is a very thorough and compelling list.

I hear the guy can be, you know, a real douchebag.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

In the Edmonds photo, which one is Johan's mom?

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

The one on the left....

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Anyway, re the Mariners comment - there is more substance to Grif to Seattle rumors due to the fact that his career started there.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Hopefully Junior wants a shot at a champsionship which the Cubs can offer better chance at than the Mariners this year.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Griff has no spot on the Cubs. he is too old to play center.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

He can play RF with Fbom in CF

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Did Kenny Lofton die? Why would we sign Edmonds before even considering Lofton?!!?

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

According to the DHL commercial, his stuff got sent to Japan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Lofton

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I think it's been established that Lofton is not wanted for being a general ass in the clubhouse...fwiw.

and his teams always lose in the most spectacular fashion in the playoffs...stay away from the bad mojo.

 

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Seems like Edmonds used to own our asses. That said, unless he's got a nice supply of HGH or "The Clear", I don't expect him to do much now.

Anyone have his Wrigley splits? It'd be interesting to know what he's hitting in our yard. Yeah, I know... numbers are skewed because it's Cubs pitching... ;)

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Here is what he has done career against current cubs pitchers

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerI...

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Thanks. Looks like Liebs won't mind this signing one bit...

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Edmonds doesn't bother me nearly as much as Felix does, and I used to do PR for Pie, as you may recall.

See analysis (or fulmination) here.

I doubt that Pie ever raked in the minors, at any level. I just can't picture it. If he did, then Dave Keller and Gerald Perry and, yes, part-time hitting coach Lou Piniella have some explaining to do, because he's messed up now.

Edmonds can play the position and he's one other guy besides Lee who can hit a ball to the seats in right field. What's complicated?

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# It could be worse...

At least the Edmonds negotiations are distracting Hendry from thinking about signing another recently released former Cardinal, Julian Tavarez.

Seriously...the Cubs have scored more runs than any team in baseball with Soriano limping and D-Lee batting .222/.286/.378 in the month of May so far. This team needs to be adding starting pitching, not another retread outfielder. Especially one that we all seem to hate so viscerally.

This only makes sense if there is a trade of Pie and a pitching prospect in the works for a league-average starting pitcher.

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# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Felix Pie Minor League numbers:
2190 AB's .300/.358/.468 not raking of course.
He may never approximate that in the majors, but for god's sake, he needs to play consistently for a few months. Not a month, not a week, not every 4th game.

I hope the Cubs trade him, and he jams it up their ass for the next 12 seasons.

Jim Edmonds.....what a joke. Can we go get Sidney Ponson too? He threw a good game this year....ugh.

# Looks like "Everyone in the bleachers gets a free sovenoiur day"

or "Say goodbye to Felix Pie day" might be postponed:

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USIL0225_f.html

80% chance of rain today.

# Re: "Everyone in the bleachers gets a free sovenoiur day"

Partly sunny and non-threatening now, for what it's worth.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Jim Hendry, the junkman, a complete rebuild is just three years away. Hopefully someone will send Jim the Marlin's playbook. They look really good on top in the East.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

If they're still leading the National League in slugging in July, then you're right. Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen. Uggla, Willingham, and Jacobs are all playing out of their mind. They won't slug 500 all season. Hanley and Hermida won't keep up their current pace.

Let's see if you still want Jimmy to play the Marlins game at the All-Star break.

# Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I think this is where you'll find Jim Edmonds these days:

http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/

If you refer to the description of what kind of person rates a douche