TCR: No Good Will Come of This

Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

The recently released Jim Edmonds should clear waivers on Wednesday and it looks like the Cubs are going to bite. The move would likely send Felix Pie to the minors and give Edmonds the majority of playing time in a center field platoon with Reed Johnson.

[UPDATE 4:00 PM]:Ruz has added his take, at the bottom of the article.

So it's understandable that the Cubs want to upgrade center field right now. It seems to be the only weak spot in the lineup and some of our guys are certainly going to regress substantially from their early season success. But could the Cubs actually find someone to upgrade with?

A tale of the 2008 tape after the jump...

  Felix Pie Jim Edmonds
BA/OBP/SLG 222/286/286 178/265/233
Home 194/268/278 091/139/121
Away 259/310/296 228/333/298
vs Righties 245/317/321 192/286/247
P/PA 3.61 4.23
Age 23 37
Defense Really Good Slipping Fast
Intangibles Not a douchebag Frost his tips, has a vanity license plate that says "Hollywood"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other than pitches per plate appearance, Felix Pie is actually out-hitting someone in baseball and it happens to be the guy about to replace him. Granted, another bat in the lineup that is going to see over or near four pitchers per plate appearance is going to drive pitching staffs batty, but that's one small plus for this potential transaction in a sea of minuses.

Of course, it could be argued that Edmonds has a history of being a pretty good hitter and center fielder and he's going to bounce back at any moment.

I doubt it.

Edmonds OPS+

(Ed note: So as not to be misleading, 100 is a league-average OPS+, not 125 as the chart suggests. I assume most of you know that, but just in case.)

He's clearly on the downside of his career, I think he's actually going on the "put him out to pasture" part of his career.

But even if Hendry and the Cubs can catch some lightning in a bottle, it's Jim "Fucking" Edmonds. I hated this guy for every one of his eight seasons with the Cardinals. How the hell can you root for Jim Edmonds on the Chicago Cubs? There's part of me (a rather large part) that hopes he goes 0 for his first 20 or 40 or whatever it takes to get him cut as soon as possible. This is the guy that Zambrano drilled twice in one game after some home run showboating.

My stock response in these situations when the Cubs have a player that I'm not particulary fond of is, "I hope he does well, but I doubt it". In this case, I hope Zambrano drills him with a fastball the moment he walks in the clubhouse...and then another one the first time he takes batting practice...maybe one more when he's in the clubhouse shower.

Freaking Jim Edmonds is about to be a Cub...maybe Hendry can swing a deal to bring in AJ Pierzynski, Mark Buehrle, Roy Oswalt, Barry Bonds and Ozzie Guillen in as a bench coach. That would definitely take the "lovable" out of "lovable" losers. Oh sure, I want to the Cubs win, pretty much at all costs. But since I have serious doubts that Jim Edmonds will be anything other than a road bump for Felix Pie's eventual return to the club or a trade for legitimate upgrade, I'd rather the Cubs just let him ride off into the sunset. Or maybe off to the Reds.

Ruz's Take:

I will be so angry if this happens.

I have a visceral anti-Edmonds reaction, and the comments below show me I'm not alone. For me, it's not about his frosted tips (something which I will admit to having done myself). It's not even about the fact that he is more identified with the St. Louis Cardinals than just about any player in the last decade. That, in and of itself, wouldn't make this a bad signing. Believe me, if the Cubs traded for Albert Pujols, I would have no problem rooting for him.

No, the problem is that not only is Jim Edmonds Mr. Cardinal, he also sucks. He just got put on waivers by the Padres, who are currently the worst team in baseball. The Padres are hitting .233 as a team, and they decided they didn't want Edmonds any more, that they'd rather take their chances with Scott Hairston and Jody Gerut in center. Edmonds is about to turn 38 and is in the middle of his fourth-straight season of declining production. He's hitting 178/265/233 (yes, he's slugging .233!). Why send Felix Pie back to the minors to take a flyer on an aging veteran who might, but might not, regain his stroke?

Several years ago there was chatter about the Cubs acquiring Chipper Fucking Jones. Now there are few players in baseball I dislike more than Chipper Fucking Jones. In fact, there might not be any player in baseball I dislike more than Chipper Fucking Jones. But when the possibility of Chipper Fucking Jones becoming a Cub was raised, I got over my initial distaste because it seemed pretty clear that acquiring him would help the Cubs.

If Jim Edmonds was still getting on base at a .360+ clip and hitting 20-30 homers, I would be happy to see him in a Cubs uniform. After all, I'm a Cubs fan, and anything that makes the Cubs better makes me happy. But this isn't going to make the Cubs better; it's going to make them worse, at the expense of one of their young prospects, and it's going to come with the indignity of Jim Edmonds in a Cubs uniform.

DO NOT WANT.

 


One last poll on the NL Central Smackdown below this post or on the right sidebar...promise. I just want some data on what you guys think is the best overall staff in the NL Central. My ranks would be Cubs, Brewers (w/ Gallardo), Reds, Pirates, Cardinals, Astros.

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#1 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

It's a proven vet Dude

#2 Re: It's a proven vet Dude

In Lou's estimation, PIE is a proven **Dud** so if Edmonds is acquired it's possible that PIE is about to be traded, or at least offered in trade along with our other expendable outfielder MATT MURTON among others, to the team that showed interest in both, none other than THE SAN DIEGO PADRES.

GM Kevin Towers is in Chicago right now and I'm guessing, given the deep hole SD finds itself in, he's serious-talking to Hendry.

#3 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Nice Edmonds picture.

#4 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Meh. Maybe this will be like Jason Kendall and produce some positive results. I tend to agree with Rob's skeptic stance though.

Although I also have a problem with rooting for Edmonds, it isn't going to keep me from being pleased when he does succeed. Apparently Hendry freely admits Edmonds isn't really a fix in CF, and maybe more ABs in AAA will somehow be beneficial for Pie (though I doubt that too).

#5 Slightly off topic...

Just did my lunch-time walk in Chi.

The winds are gusting 15-25mph!

Left field bleachers will be a very busy place today, hopefully off of Cub bats.

This is not the optimum conditions for Jason "I used to be a Sinkerball Pitcher" Marquis, who has had the ball up and over the plate his last three starts.

Ugh...

#96 Re: Slightly off topic...

Our Marquis matchup today is... wait for it... Shawn Estes. Yep, the Padres just brought him up from Portland (which is coincidentally losing at this moment to the Iowa Cubbies).

Suddenly I feel better. :-)

#6 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I'm hoping this is just the Sun Times trying to dig up some sports news. I'd have one heck of a hard time rooting for Edmonds. I really feel like we should just let Pie play. We're leading the NL in runs scored, so who cares if he bats .230 for now? And, actually, hasn't anyone else noticed that his numbers have slowly been rising? If they want to make changes, move Fukie over to CF and bring Murt back up (he's recently collected his first 3 doubles of the season).

Edmonds. I might vomit. I'd rather bring in Bonds. At least we could be pretty certain that Barry would hit.

#7 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

This...

This, this is Not Wise.

#13 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Trans,

Did you like the charts?

#21 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Read my comment below.  :)

 

But I probably did read at least 66% of the words in this one.....   

#8 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Re: Edmonds...is there any definitive answer with respect to the previous 50 concussions the Dude has had? Isn't he still in "recovery"?

#9 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I'd be fine with it if it were a minor league contract. If Edmonds rebounds from the calf injury and starts hitting over .300 in a few weeks then bring him up and send Pie down for regular ABs. If not, then release him. But Hollywood is not going to agree to that.

#10 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Mark Prior had an MRI on Monday and is expected to fly out to Birmingham to meet with Dr. James Andrews on Wednesday. Not a good sign.

#11 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Tips-froster.

#12 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

One final, slightly more useful comment:

the graph is a bit deceiving in that the "center" line isn't 100, but 125. The decline is steep, but if you shifted the graph upward to make 100 the visual centerpoint, it wouldn't be quite so spectacularly horrid a sight.

#16 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Yea... that is a good example of how to distort data to prove a point.

But the graph does still show a drastic drop in production, but the bottom end of the production is not as bad as the graph makes it out to be.

#19 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I got lazy with the chart, but I figured 90% of our readers know that 100 is average for OPS+. The point of the chart is just to visually show the steep decline he's in.

 

#26 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

but I did add a little editor's note to clarify in the post...

#18 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Oh, that's Edmonds' production numbers? I thought it was Bush's approval rating..

#101 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Didn't think the comment that won this thread would be because of a political joke.

#102 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

No, Edmonds was at least productive at some point in his career.

#14 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Chances are Edmonds will flop...but Felix Pie isn't exactly setting the world on fire, if he was then they wouldn't have to worry about signing anyone. I'd say give him a month or so and if he isn't the right fit for the team get rid of him. I don't see any real downside. Its Pie that is holding back his own progression, not Lou Piniella or Jim Hendry.

#32 exactly

Its not like were going to be trading anyone good to get him. we are are going to sign him for the Vetern minamium and if he sucks after a month, we cut him and Pie gets a month in AAA to work on his adjustments in his batting stance. As long as they are not sold on him as the solution no matter what it is a no-lose deal.

#15 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

It is infuriating that Dusty is willing to play Edmonds over Pie with those numbers. If we are going to live with a line like that, at least let it be because we are building for the future. Pie has yet been given a chance to play a long string of games.

#20 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Let's take a look at the few recent scrap heap pick-ups, by Hendry, shall we?

Reed Johnson- Offense, C- Defense, A

Jason Kendall - Offense, B/B-(NLDS RBI), Defense, C+ (better than Barrett)

Chad Fox - Useless, D

Whom am I leaving out? In any case, two of the three have provided value to the club. Both Johnson and Kendall have "new life" at their new teams.

If this were to happen, it certainly would not be a long term commitment ala Jason Schmidt. Just like the above examples, it is a low risk, probably low reward type of move.

#34 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Wade Miller
Ryan Dempster

#43 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

It is infuriating that Dusty is willing to play Edmonds over Pie with those numbers.



fantastic slip-up there!!!

#17 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

I would like to start a list of players the Cubs got too late in their careers. Perhaps they were serviceable or did a good job but still too late. Here are a few off the top of my head:

Gary Gaetti
Rick Aguilera
Rod Beck
Todd Hundley
Jason Kendall

Please add your own

#23 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

Howard Frickin' Johnson
Mel Rojas
Dave Smith

#25 Re: Cubs Ready to Sign Jim Edmonds

The above (Mel Rojas!) were not recent Hendry signs.

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