Game 151 Recap: Cubs 7, Brewers 6 (12 Innings)

Brewers Give the Cubs a Game, Cubs Happily Accept


W - Wood (5-4), Rob G's childlike faith in spells, fairies and magical comebacks
L - Villanueva (4-7), Brewers' base-running coaches.



Things to Take from This Game


1. Harden reprises Marquis
Like Marquis the night before, Harden got into all sorts of trouble in the first before settling down.  The difference between the two starts being that Harden escaped with only one run allowed. Three very economical innings allowed him to get to the fifth, where Harden again struggled.  There he snuck out of a bases loaded jam with 115 pitches thrown, and just the one run from the first.  Velocity looked good, but Harden had no command on the fastball.  6 walks, 9 K's


2. DeRosa struggles at 2nd, Cubs struggle in 6th.
DeRosa had a throwing error in the first as he chose to try to turn a very tough DP instead of going to first.  The first run of the game scored on the play.  A bobbled grounder in the sixth helped spark a big inning for the Brewers, abetted by Samardzija's struggles to throw strikes.


3. Solo Scoring
Edmonds and Ramirez hit solo home runs, but that was the extent of the Cubs scoring.


4.  Crazy-ass rally.
The Brewers ran into two outs on the basepaths in the top of the ninth, squandering a chance to blow the game out.  Instead it's "just" 6-2.  Bottom of the ninth, two outs, and Ramirez squeaks a double just under Braun's glove. Edmonds and DeRosa single, scoring Ramirez.  Soto, who had made a nice block of the plate and nice throw in the top of the inning, takes the first pitch from Salomon Torres and hits a game-tying 3-run homer.


5. Lee wins it.
With runners on 2nd and 3rd in the bottom of the 12th, Lee singles up the middle to drive in the winning run.  The Brewers had 25 (yes, TWENTY FIVE) runners LOB to the Cubs' 11, plus the running gaffes.  The Cubs certainly had their issues between Harden's wildness and DeRosa's early-game defense, but overall the Brewers deserved to lose this.


The almost-there details, below.


Game Recap

  • Messmer belts out the anthem, and my feed seems willing to play ball today.  woo.
Inning 1 - Top
  • Harden starts 3-0 on Cameron before throwing a 90mph fastball for a strike
  •  91mph for ball four.
  • 90mph fastball inside corner for strike one to Durham.
  • Durham with a nice bunt down the 3b line, Ramirez waits for it to roll foul, just a few feet before reaching the 3b bag.
  • full count to Durham
  • and ball four.
  • Nice slider to start off Braun, swing and miss.
  • deep fly to center, Edmonds catches it and Cameron goes to third.  Change up got elevated.  Sounded ominous off the bat, wind held it up.
  • Fielder rolls one into the hole between 1st and 2nd, DeRosa gets there, and makes an ill-advised choice to spin, throw to second avoiding the runner.  Poor throw, (can't quite tell on my feed, but told it hit the runner) ball gets away from Theriot. Cameron scores from third while Durham and Fielder are safe at 2nd and 1st.   1-0 Brewers
  • Harden walks Hardy.  29 pitches so far.  One out.
  • Bases loaded, and Hart K's on three pitches.  elevated fastball for strike 2, changeup low and away for strike 3.
  • 2-2 on Counsell. Fans really in to the AB.
  • 3-2.  Harden then K's Counsell on pitch number 38, a high fastball at 94.  Good damage control, actually, but horrid pitch count.
Inning 1 - Bottom
  • Soriano bounces out to second.
  •  and Theriot flies to Cameron
  • and Lee K's looking.  Helluva start to this game.
Inning 2 - Top
  • 3-2 on Kendall, before a swinging strike out.  3 Ks in a row for Harden, still has the no-hitter going.
  •  Brenly not sure if fastball is up on purpose, or due to wildness. 
  • and K's Bush swinging.
  • 0-2 to Cameron.  Bottom of the lineup allowed Harden to find himself?
  • 95 mph just off the outside corner.  Crowd boos. Slider, er, change, off the corner.
  • Foul-tip K, 5 Ks in a row for Harden.  54 pitches 
Inning 2 - Bottom
  •  Ramirez with a sharp bouncer to Counsell, makes the play
  • Edmonds takes a slow, 70 mph curve up in the zone, blasts it out to just left of center, high up in the bleachers.
  • DeRosa K's
  • Soto flies out, Hart makes a nice running, diving catch in the right-center gap
Inning 3 - Top
  • Durham flies to left
  • Theriot with a nice diving stop, Braun out at first
  •  3-2 on Fielder, fastball 94 mph inside corner and Fielder goes down swinging.  10 pitch inning.

Inning 3 - Bottom
  •  Fukudome flies to Braun
  • Harden bounces back to Bush
  • 3-0 on Soriano
  • 3-2 count, Soriano takes a close pitch just off the plate for ball four.
  • Soriano caught stealing by the suddenly strong-throwing Kendall.
Inning 4 - Top
  • Hardy flies out to about two steps short of the ivy in center.    Wind blowing in helps, again.
  •  Hart K's looking.  Wow, Hart is just lost up there.
  • From behind in the count, Counsell comes back to work a BB.  Breaks a string of something like 10 straight set down by Harden.
  • Kendal flies out to right. Harden still has a no-hitter, oddly.
Inning 4 - Bottom
  •  Theriot grounds to Hardy
  • Lee hits one that sounds good off the bat, crowd roars, and Cameron catches it several feet short of the warning track.
  • Ramirez hits a rolling..... something.... into the left field well bleachers.  Another lined bullet, very similar to the HR from last night.  2-1 Cubs. 
  • Edmonds flies out to Braun, just short of the warning track.
Inning 5 - Top
  • Gyeh.  Count goes full to Bush, and Harden walks him. Not the way to start the first inning where the Cubs have a lead in a game and a half. 8 pitches to Bush
  • Harden at 94 pitches, and no one up in the bullpen.
  • Cameron with a tapper up the line, Harden takes it to the bag.  Bush to second.
  • Fly down the right field line, Kosuke either misplayed it, or deked Dave Bush into thinking he was going to catch it.  Brenly and Kasper think the later.  If so, it worked:  Bush stayed at third on the Durham double.  No-hitter over, and finally the bullpen gets moving. My feed isn't good enough to allow me a judgment on the play.
  • Braun pops to Lee in foul territory.
  • which allows Harden to IBB fielder.  Bases loaded for Hardy.
  • Harden at 107 pitches
  • 3-1 pitch, Hardy check-swings at a called strike.
  • 115th pitch, a long full-count battle ends as Hardy flies to the warning track in right.
  • (It won't show up in the box score, but that deke did save a run, which, as I write this part in retrospect, was pretty crucial.)
Inning 5 - Bottom
  •  DeRosa pops to Hardy
  • Soto K's looking
  • From 0-2, Fukudome works a walk.  Good to see it.
  • Hoffpauir hits for Harden.  Samardzija to pitch
  • Hoff flies to right
Inning 6 - Top
  • Samardzija in, Hart grounds to Theriot.
  • sweet, I know how to spell Samardzija by memory.
  •  A Cubbie Blue and White beachball is on the outfield track.  How embarassing.
  • Counsell walks on a 3-2 pitch
  • Kendall hits into a potential 4-6-3 DP, but DeRosa bobbles a tricky hop.  Everyone safe.
  • Lamb hits for Bush, runners on 1 and 2
  • Lamb rolls one to Theriot a bit towards the hole, gets the force at second.  1st and 3rd with two outs for Cameron
  • Cameron singles to left, run scores.  2-2 game.  Samardzija hasn't thrown a first-pitch strike yet.
  • and Durham rolls one through the right side for a single.  Lamb scores from second, Cameron goes to third on Durham's single.  3-2 game.
  • Braun floats a single into right.  The throw  goes to third, is offline and hops away from Ramirez a bit, letting Braun go to second.  4-2
  • Fielder intentionally walked, again, and loads the bases, again.
  • Samardzija out, all runs so far are unearned.
  • Randy Wells in to face Hardy with the bases loaded and 2 outs.
  • Four straight balls.  5-2 game
  • Hart is a total disaster right now.  After 4 pitch walk issued by a new, MLB inexperienced pitcher, he flies out to right on the first pitch he sees.  Inning over.
Inning 6 - Bottom
  •  Coffee in for Bush
  • Soriano with a soft liner past Hardy for a single.
  • Theriot hits into a 5-4 force, as my computer freezes up.
  • I'm told Lee GIDP, 5-4-3.   A very quick and futile inning for the Cubs and my internet connection.

Inning 7 - Top
  •  Wells stays in, Counsell rolls out to DeRosa
  • and mlbtv loses sound. Hah.  I'm told there were cheers for DeRosa making the routine play
  • woo, sound returns.
  • DeRosa with a backhanded 4-3 putout of Kendall
  • Big Brad Nelson pinch hits for Coffee, lazy fly out to Edmonds on the first pitch
  • some random hockey players sing the stretch. Incredibly slow tempo
Inning 7 - Bottom
  • Gagne in for Coffee
  •  Ramirez rolls one to first, Fielder leisurely tags him out.
  • Edmonds bounces back to Gagne
  • and DeRosa flies to Cameron on the warning track.  Very quick inning.

Inning 8 - Top
  •  Wells still in, Cameron flies to Soriano close to the left field line, in the shadows
  • Durham bounces into an easy 4-3
  • Braun breaks a bat, Ramirez with a nice play to his right, easy 5-3, easy inning for Wells

Inning 8 - Bottom
  •  Mota in for Gagne
  • Soto flies out toward the right field line, Hart catches it
  • Fukudome K's swinging
  • Fontenot in to hit for Wells, walks.
  • Soriano K's swinging
Inning 9 - Top
  • Neil Cotts in for Wells 
  • and first pitch, Fielder just misses an opposite field HR, doubling high off the wall in left, close to where the well begins.
  • Cotts out, Wuertz in.
  • Hardy bunts one up the first base side.  Wuertz fields, might not have had a good grip, can't flip to first as he's running in that direction, finally decides to take it to first  himself, is late.  Runners at 1 and 3
  • Hart splits the left-center gap, ball goes to the wall.  Fielder scores, Hart tries to score from first, is easily out on a nice relay throw from Soriano to Theriot to Soto.  6-2 gam.
  • Wuertz bounces one way in front of Soto.  Hart tries for third, Soto guns him down.  Replay suggests he may have been safe.
  • Counsell pops to DeRosa
Inning 9 - Bottom
  •  Salomon Torres in. Torres, Mota, Gagne...  The Brewers bullpen could be a The Surreal Life: Relief Pitcher Edition cast.
  • Theriot lines to Hardy
  • Lee flies to Hart.
  • Ramirez with a sinking liner right at Braun, it sinks just below Braun's glove, goes through his legs to the wall.  Braun had been playing very deep, normally that's caught easily.  Ruled a double.
  • Edmonds bounces one off the mound, it gets into center.  Ramirez scores, 6-3 game.
  • DeRosa singles to right-center, runners at 1 and 3.  Tying run comes to the plate.
  • First pitch to Soto, he hits a shot out to left-center for a game-tying home run.  Four runs with two outs in the ninth.
  • Fukudome grounds to Hardy.
Inning 10 - Top
  • Marmol in.
  • Kendall rolls out to DeRosa, nice backhand play by DeRo. 
  • Rickie Weeks makes his first appearance of the series, pinch-hitting for Torres.  Looks at strike three.
  • Cameron K's looking at a slider on the outside corner.
Inning 10 - Bottom
  •  Seth McClung in for Torres
  • Reed Johnson in for Fukudome and a double-switch, Marmol hitting eighth, Reed hitting ninth and leading off the inning.
  • Reed called out on a check swing at a ball in the dirt.  Might not have swung, but home plate ump made the call on his own
  • Soriano also called out on a 3-2 check swing.
  • Theriot K's swinging at a high fastball.  Nice inning by McClung.
Inning 11 - Top
  • Wood pitching.
  •  Durham K's looking at a tough breaking pitch
  • Braun K's looking at a nasty curve over the outside corner.  Rapuano has been calling the outside corner pretty consistently.
  • Wood absolutely blows away Fielder on three pitches.  Big rising fastball for the wiff.
Inning 11 - Bottom
  • Lee K's swinging. 
  • Ramirez wails at a 3-1 pitch, just misses it, fouling it off
  • And then walks.
  • After looking at a called strike 2 that probably was wide outside, Edmonds makes a few remarks to Rapuano, who quite suddenly tosses Edmonds from the game, mid-AB.  Kasper thinks Edmonds was saying "that's a ball."  Strike one was also a called strike that likely was outside, too.
  • Pie takes over the 1-2 count as he comes in to hit.
  • Pie bounces to Fielder, tries for the 3-6-3, but Pie safe at first.
  • DeRosa lines a sharp single to left, Pie gets to third easily.  Runners at corner, two outs for Soto
  • DeRosa takes second uncontested
  • Soto flies out to center, just short of the warning track.  Nuts
Inning 12 - Top
  •  Wood out for another inning.
  • Hardy singles back up the middle
  • Hart hits an 0-2 pitch into the left-center gap.  Hardy to third, Pie gets to it, almost gets Hart at second.  But it's a double, 2nd and 3rd with no outs.
  • Marshall and Howry warming up.
  • They pitch to Counsell, with 1st open and Kendall, Pitcher's spot up.
  • Infield in, Counsell grounds to DeRosa.  1 out, runners hold.
  • Kendall up, bounces to Ramirez. Ramirez bobbles it in his glove, but is able to get Hardy in a run down.  Throws toSoto, then back to Theriot at third for the out.  2 outs, runners now at 1 and 2 for the pinch hitter, Joe Nelson.  Horrible, Horrible base-running by the Brewers today.
  • Blazing 95 mph fastball, 0-2 on Nelson
  • Nelson just barely checks his swing on a high fastball.  Reed Johnson was called out for less.
  • Grounds out to Theriot, 6-3.  Huge escape by Wood, with help from the Brewers.
Inning 12 - Bottom
  •  Ward hits for Wood, Villanueva in to pitch
  • full count to Ward, he walks on a close pitch.  Marquis runs for Ward
  • Reed bunts him over.  One out, runner on 2
  • Soriano intentionally walked.  Theriot's had a tough day, comes up with runners on 1 and 2, 1 out
  • Theriot flies to Hart, Marquis tags and goes to third with ease.  First and third, two outs for Lee
  • Soriano takes second uncontested
  • Lee lines a slider up the middle, a bit towards shortstop, and into center for a single that scores Marquis without a play.  Cubs win as the team comes out to celebrate and the fans sing.


Parachat Recap
Inning 1
  •  Me and blockhead sit around and wait for more parachatters.
  • Real Neal helps pick up the slack.  tips on parachatting and watching at same time.
  • America's Next Top Model.
  • New theories on Fielder's expanding girth.
  • DeRosa's fielding decision.
  • Following a tense half-inning
  • Evaluating Dave Bush:  Real Neal and I actually say intelligent things.  No kidding.
  • The socialization of AIG.
Inning 2 
  •  Carlos reduces the heat on the political/economic debate.  Boobs.  And Bees.
  • Monitoring Harden
  • A Recap Exclusive:  first ever video of me in real life, up on you-tube
  • Insulting communication profs. and majors.

Inning 3 
  • The Chad School of Test Prep.
  •  Jesus was fat?
  • Will this be Harden's last start?  Will Z start again?  (They'll both start one more time, working about half of a normal load.  Mark it down.)
  • Astonishment at Kendall's newfound ability to throw
  • mocking playoff baseball network broadcasters

Inning 4
  • an illegal use of "oh, fuck"?
  •  FUDGE!
  • What's clogging Rob's shower drain?
  • Blockhead informs us Harden is on pace for a 184 pitch no hitter with 9 BB on 16 K
  • Sheets' elbow.
Inning 5
  •  big heads and the hats that pop off of them.
  • Rob identifies the sign behind home plate:  Allied Waste: Official Waste Hauler of the Chicago Cubs.
  • Johann with the early standard in Allied Waste Jokes.  Allied Waste:  We Got Rid of Izturis for You.
  • The alleged Fukudome deke.
  • Following the tough top of the fifth.
  • Carlos's personal updates.
Inning 6
  •  Mocking the Palins
  • Oh dear god.
  • Rob socializes with bloggers
  • Rob's like the Foster Wallace of Cubs Bloggers: brilliant but slutty. - Andrew
    • I wish I knew who Foster Wallace was.
  • Redneck-powered Internets.
  • Extending the franchise to the world.
  • My crappy upstairs neighbors have awoken for the day.  I know because they're playing their latest re-mixing of 8 crappy frat-party songs from 1992.  Hooray for apartment-living in Arkansas
  • Groaning at the top half of the sixth.
  • And more general expressions of frustration.

Inning 7
  •  Critiquing the 7th inning stretch performance
  • Columbia grads.
Inning 8
  •  Fernando Perez of the Rays is "articulate."  Discussion ensues.
  • More insulting of communication majors.
  • Rob tries to provide boobs, fails.
    • Rob redeems himself
  • Zack Hample?
  • Catching balls at games.

Inning 9
  •  Rally Caps?  ehh.
  • RALLY CAPS?  Sure.
  • Lex Lugor
  • Rob G is a Prophet.
Inning 10
  • explaining what happened to those who missed it
  • bad Blackberry updates.
  •  I am informed I missed a "douchebag tourny."
Inning 11
  •  Everything we know about Seth McClung.
  • 24-0 Cubs games.
  • Gossip Girls
  • Hawkeye likes his women like his whiskey.  16, Irish, and with coke.  Oh my.
  • Juvenile Wood puns.
  • Go, Cubs, Go! Turned into No, Carlos, No!
Inning 12
  •  gurf.
  • Amazed at the brewers' running.
  • Cheering on Wood, infield-in defenses.
  • Parachat speculates that the brewers would be better off pitching to Soriano than Theriot, as Theriot makes more contact. Not too sure that I agree on that one.
  • Pleading for a hit.
  • Cheering for the hit.

The Cubs improve to 12-6 in games recapped.



Take that, Dale Sveum!

Think you may have overstated the Brewers LOB -- they had 9 hits and 9 walks and one batter reached on an error. That's 19 baserunners, and 6 of them scored. How did they leave 25 guys on?

He probably added up the individual LOB numbers.

What Dave Said - the Box Score puts it at 25, as they do combined runners LOB for all the Brewers hitter, which does produce sort of inflated totals.  We've had this conversation before, actually, the last time I was called out for using box-score tallying of LOB.

Box scores always list Team LOB. I'm confused.
I'm also a bit confused on why you think individual tallies of left on base are only "sort of inflated"?

Um, trans? What the hell was that Youtube confrontation about?

2 debate coach nerd proffs....homegirl was prevented from judging their team cuz homeboy that was screaming and mooned a room full of people cited low marks given by her in other competitions. evidently this "asking a person not to judge" is not only normal, but they have a specific term for it and it's commonly used in all tourneys by many teams...or so i've been told.

homegirl played the race card for reasons that were not explained...

then the 2 professors acted like spoiled 12 year olds and both got fired after embarrassing the hell outta their respected colleges.

it happened almost a month ago, but was held up except for a few blips by the 24-7 coverage of sarah palin by the...what's it called...hmmm...oh yeah, liberal media.

damn that liberal media and their liberalocities upon humanity.

That's about it.


I actually once applied for a job at Fort Hays, home of the long-haired mooning psycho debate coach....

You're so better off not being there. I interviewed there for a position once - and it is truly, truly depressing. Like a Sunday evening in a Wal Mart parking lot.

Yeah well living here in the 'burgh, home of homegirl (of Univ Pittsburgh) in this video, ain't no picnic either. Actually the language and the tenor of her "conversation" fairly accurately represents most conversations here in the inner city, at my kids' high schools, at the bus stop, at the grocery store, etc. etc. etc. You gotta develop thick skin, on your eardrums if nowhere else. It's a jungle in here.

I don't think homegirl was fired actually. Just apologized and her university pulled its debate team. Hippie lib dude though definitely got the ax.

That was truly masterful. What an excellent job of demonstrating to a debate team how to debate. I am amazed that they weren't both fired after such an public embarrassment. Well, I guess she did give a half-assed apology, "I deeply regret my language choices during this incident. Despite serious provocation..." so that's good enough, carry on. Assistant professors are hard to come by...especially ones as articulate as she.

I'm sorry I missed it.

It sounds like Samardzija didn't pitch that badly at all.

He got behind hitters, but he walked a guy, then gave up a bunch of ground balls. He just got unlucky on where they ended up.

Well, he threw 35 pitches, 20 of which were balls, so he certainly wasn't sharp.

However, the error by Dero really hurt.

DeRosa error hurt the most, bunch of seeing-eye hits...nothing really hit hard.

There was one ball hit to left that was pretty hard. Maybe technically a grounder but reached the left fielder on about 3 hops.

Hey, I'm sorry if no one could appreciate my contribution of lesbians.

Oh, and boy do I love me some Soto.

Rob tries to provide boobs, fails.

* Rob redeems himself

living the pimp life...

for the masses...

wonder how much Cubs contribute to that?

as the most and useless member of TCR, I am honored to be named in the parachat recap for the first time in my 4+ years here. Twice, no less.

While I have no delusions that Aram will win MVP, think he deserves a look and has a chance at a top 3 finisher.


are we talking who deserves it or who the voters will target?

Pujols deserves it...the fact the Cardinals were even relevant this year is pretty much all on him with a small assist to Ryan Ludwick. Howard's going to get a lot love for 45 HR's and 137 RBI's and "pushing' his team to the playoffs with a great September. Kind of bogus in my opinion, but so be it.

I'm not sure who the Cubs MVP is though, seems to have come down to Soto or Ramirez and I think I'd give the nod to Soto without checking the numbers too closely. I think both will get top 10 votes, maybe a few will go to Soriano as well. Soto might get some top 5 votes as well.


28th in batting average
12th in OBP
20th in Home Runs
18th in SLG
12th in OPS
4th in RBI

3rd most errors among 3rd baseman.

I see him as in the top 10, but I don't see him really close to the top 5.

The Knock on Smardijza has been his control...and the last two games he hasn't had it. I think that's worrisome no matter how hard the other balls are hit.

That was a pretty epic comeback. Those are amazing to watch and be a part of...but come playoff time, I'd really prefer us not wait until the 9th inning to get shit going.

im a little worried about his lack of secondary pitches, but to be fair he was kinda rushed through the system without the proper time to really hone one.

he's got 2 good pitches right now, but hill, sup?

that's not even a fair comparison, cuz well...randy johnson, sup?

but'd be nice to see a 3rd pitch come into the mix with a little bit more consistency.

the rumors continue...

throws a sinking fastball that's mid 90's

2-seam/backdoor slider that's mid 90's

and a change/splitter that's low 80's

he has a slider as well that I don't see much of, but don't really need to use 4 pitches as a reliever. Don't really need 3.

here's a link just from his first outing but I've looked through past gameday and usually shows the same.

and another...

a change is not a splitter.

that 2-seam pitch is his splitter.

he throws a change.

he don't throw it well.

he's a 3 pitch pitcher with 2 pitches...both fastballs (the 4 and 2 seamer). he's still feeling out that 3rd pitch.


guess i should say, yes he also the slider...but like you, i haven't seen a lot of it. it really doesn't come to mind, actually.

you're very confused...

It’s coming along real well. I think going back
onto your other question about being moved up, I think that has a lot
to do with it. I’ve been throwing my other three pitches [changeup,
slider, sinker] for strikes and that’s kind of been the biggest thing.
They haven’t just been show pitches; they’ve been for a reason, and I
kind of feel confident. Obviously, I love my sinker and I go to that a
lot of times, but my confidence in my other pitches is just up there
with my sinker now, which helps me out on the mound and helps me go
deeper in the games.

I called it a change/splitter because that's what Len calls it and they do the same thing with Dempster, I think because of the way he grips it. Wilkin called it a splitter too in an interview for whatever reason.

Nonetheless, 96 mph sinker

95 mph 2-seamer/backdoor slider (whatever the fuck you want to call it)

change he throws once in awhile

and a slider he throws even less

didn't say they're not works in progress, but as a reliever, he's not really working on them right now cause he dont' need them much.

i don't think i'm confused at all.

he don't have his change yet. his game is 4/2 seamer for almost everything...that's great for kevin hart. kevin hart wishes he has ninja's movement.

i'd like to see him offer more than 2 flavors of fastball for most of his game...and i dont mean 51% being "most"...its almost 100% 4/2 seamer out there.

threw 3 sliders and 3 changes in a 35 pitch outing today including 4 intentional pitches

threw 1 slider and 2 changes in a 15 pitch outing his last time out

threw 1 slider and 1 change in a 7 pitch outing before that

I'm gonna guess the pattern remains about the same if I keep going back.

Now Marmol is a guy that only throws 2 pitches as does Howry. Samardzija, on the other hand, is not.

he doesn't throw his change well.

he doesn't throw it much.

i'd like to see him throw a 3rd pitch better and more often.

i simply cannot clarify this more.

this guy has future starter stuff as a foundation.

I cannot clarify more that he's a reliever right now, not a starter. Why would he throw a third pitch more often when he's having success with his other 2? (granted less success lately)

relievers usually stick to their best 2 pitches, occasionally mixing in a third or fourth if needed, which is exactly what samardzija has been doing.

and yes, he's a future starter who would probably start using those 3rd and 4th pitches more the 2nd and 3rd time he goes through a most starters. There's just no good reason to go to your third or fourth best pitch when you don't have to.

this is retarded.

all i said is the guy throws 2 pitches and i'd like to see a 3rd more often and more consistently.

his change is not good. he may be throwing it a limited amount, but... 1- its not looked good 2- there's no such thing as someone with a good changeup who's not gonna throw it. it's a hell of a pitch in the right hands, especially for someone who can bring a 90+mph fastball out of the same arm slot...which he mimics with his change.

all I said and shown is that he throws 4 pitches, although I agree that the 3rd and 4th aren't particularly great offerings right now, although I think they're better than you're giving him credit for.

nonetheless, a reliever is retarded to use his third and fourth best pitches too much if he can get guys out with the first two....which he mostly has.

crunch: "You don't fucking know shit."

Rob moons crunch.

Ok, that made me laugh


In other news, I'll be lecturing during the game this afternoon, boo.  Will try to at least drop by parachat during my office hours.

Have to sort of agree with crunch here. Just because you grab the ball differently, doesn't mean you're throwing different pitches. Also, just because gameday or whatever says you're throwin different pitches, doesn't mean you are. Give an inning where you think he threw three different pitches and we'll break it down. I see two pitches, a fastball that moves and a not so fastball that breaks down a bit. What were the other two pitches supposed to be again?

"Just because you grab the ball differently, doesn't mean you're throwing different pitches. Also, just because gameday or whatever says you're throwin different pitches, doesn't mean you are."

Are you serious Neal? Think about what you are saying for more than a few seconds.

The fact of the matter is this: The reason pitchers change grips, rotation, way of throwing, etc. is to make the ball behave differently each time. When the ball comes to the batter, what matters is how the ball behaves. If one thrown ball behaves in a different "manner" from another (ex. one comes in flat, another breaks in to RHB), then those are 2 different pitches. It doesn't matter how the pitcher "grabbed" those balls.

Also gameday is just calling the pitches based on the input of the data and how the original programmer chose to categorize that data. The programming is also not grip-based or even dependent on what the pitcher calls his pitch. Gameday is dependent on the behavior of the ball after it leaves the pitchers hand, and bottom line that is really what matters to a batter on whether 2 thrown balls are different pitches or not.

"Have to sort of agree with crunch here. Just because you grab the ball differently, doesn't mean you're throwing different pitches."

im not clear if sentence 2 is related to sentence 1...

im not saying the fastballs are the same...they have different action, velocity, and purpose.

im saying i'd like to see more than those fastballs develop out of his arm.

Just because you grab the ball differently, doesn't mean you're throwing different pitches.


just because gameday or whatever says you're throwin different pitches, doesn't mean you are.

Yea... just because the pitch moves in completely different ways, they are not different pitches.

What are you talking about?

Samardzija very clearly throws two different fastballs, and everyone in baseball would say so.

thanks to the brews own failures with SP the last 2 days (injury and suck) they're going with jeff suppan vs. reds on 3 days rest tomorrow.

was supposed to be mcclung.

way to go cubbies...welcome to the big chair sveum.

For those in Chicago -- Comcast SportsNet is re-running today's Cubs game. Probably more fun to watch the game and hear Len call the HR than following it on Yahoo at work.

Lee jersey joins Grace in retirement, Soto jersey en route.

Brilliant game. Clinch at home against the Cardinals.

No Sandberg? No Dawson? No Sosa?

The Grace was the first one, always just wore that one. After he was gone I almost bought Wood at one point and Zambrano at another before finally settling on Lee (around May 2005 I think). The only time I ever wear them is to the games anyways.

Got out of class in time to see bottom 9, when soto came up i thought "no one else i'd rather be up right now"...and sure enough, woo party!

Wow... I assumed the Cubs lost today until I read the recap. Wow.

And... I'm watching the replay on CSN and this is exactly why I don't give a shit about the demeaning loss to these douches. The extra bases they try to sneak in. Trying to steal 3rd. It's all BS. They play like a bunch of assholes.

Fuck them. They can spend October watching ESPN.

I even knew what was coming and I was screaming at the TV

Hell yea.

I <3 Geo


I'm going to the game on Sunday with my two boys. I am laying 60% odds that they will have clinched before then.

One of my sons and I went to the clinching home DH in 2003. Good times.

Brewers back a game and a half. Astros lose too, looks like they're done.

1) What's more likely: pitching a no-hitter or coming back from four runs down with two outs (and nobody on base) in the ninth? I would bet that the latter is more likely. There have been two no-hitters in MLB this year (Lester, Zambrano), but how many such comebacks?

2) The comeback on May 10, 2000 was even more amazing. The Cubs trailed 8-3 with nobody on and two outs in the ninth and rallied to beat the Brewers 9-8 in 11 innings. Willie Greene's RBI single won it.

3) If Samardzija continues to struggle, Howry will continue to get chances with the game on the line. He's only walked 11 guys all season, and Lou will continue to give him chances as long as he doesn't walk people. Lou will tolerate a pitcher who gives up homers but walks very few (Howry) more than he will a pitcher who walks a lot of guys but gives up few homers (Eyre).

4) The shadows were horrendous, but that's the best Wood has looked in at least two weeks.

5) I'd rate Wells above Guzman among relievers who could shock us and make the postseason roster. Michael Wuertz botched a bunt play today, and I'm guessing he's toast.

6) Cotts' stuff is too good to be a LOOGY.

The Guz looked fine for the one inning. Its the second one that was a problem.

I keep wondering just how long the team will keep trotting this "kid" out there, year after year.

Sadly, it appears as if we are pretty thin in the minors with MLB-ready arms.

Kevin Hart this year has been fine at AAA and a head-case in the Big Show.

wuertz has been toast for quite awhile know

"Scouts from two major-league teams say the book on Kosuke Fukudome is that he's afraid of being hit, and the biggest surprise is why it took more than a month for pitchers to take full advantage of busting him inside. ''Ichiro [Suzuki] was the same way,'' one scout said. ''The difference is he takes his hands with him [through the strike zone]."

this morning's Sun Times

Has he been hit this year?

It seems to have gotten worse as the year has gone on.

If that is the case -- it's a big problem. Mechanics can be fixed, fear is more difficult.

Sori has more walks than Braun -- 41 to 38 -- in considerably less playing time.

Also has him beat in OBP (.352 to .334).

Kind of miss scoreboard watching. Kind of.

Enjoyed a steak sandwich at Bernies
Got to our seats behind home plate above main aisle.
Jerseys seen($ 250 variety mlb kind)
Pinella- 2
Most puzzling- Reed Johnson

I was thinking of the least likely seen jersey would be Cedeno.

Place was packed a few Brewer fans were there and they were in good humor considering their situations.

Can't believe Edmonds ball got out and Braun and Hardy's didn't.

The speed gun had Harden at 96 mph a few times.

Couldn't tell, but it looked like Harden was just missing.

Tough break for Smardizja and Dero.

Overall great game with come back.
Lets end it today and pitch Marquis and Marshall everyday.
I also believe you shut down Harden until playoffs.

Go Cubs

"Rob tries to provide boobs, fails."

Greatest recap line, ever.

That's saying quite a lot, Carlos.  lol

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  • 2nd in defensive WAR, NL.

    6th in NL in RBI

    Go complain about something else, like, "they never play good against the good teams", or some other shit.

    The E-Man 7 hours 16 min ago view
  • Addy really has trouble breaking through .250 BA -- after his hot streak got him to .251, he has gone 1-for-17.

    billybucks 8 hours 32 min ago view
  • Thank goodness for Jansen's 2 WP on Friday -- otherwise this would have been a sweep.

    billybucks 9 hours 15 min ago view
  • There seems to be a direct correlation with overconfidence in the Cubs offense against mediocre/young pitchers and really poor offense against mediocre/young pitchers. So, let's fear the Pirate pitchers!

    billybucks 9 hours 16 min ago view
  • Rizzo due for a power surge -- one HR in August so far. He truly does hit them in bunches.

    billybucks 9 hours 17 min ago view
  • Sometimes I'm not as supportive of Cahill as maybe I should be. There, I said it.

    Jackstraw 9 hours 21 min ago view
  • Rough 8th inning all around -- HBP, Cahill error, Javy's poor decision.

    Oh well - given that the Cubs didn't look like they were going to score, it's better to lose in 9 innings, save the bullpen and get changed for the PJ trip home.

    billybucks 9 hours 21 min ago view
  • Baez still learning

    jacos 9 hours 49 min ago view
  • heyward with his 3rd multi-hit game since the all-star break (all in august)...2nd in the past 3 games during his 7 game hitting streak.

    he's gone from flirting with a sub-.300 ob% to nearing .310 ob% in 3 games (1 game was just a 1 for 1 pinch hit appearance). all 5 hits in the past 3 games have come in a row...neat.

    crunch 10 hours 53 min ago view
  • stewart with 7Ks through 3ip...of course.

    that 10-13 mph difference in his fastball/change is working today...and they're swinging at his crappy slider.

    crunch 11 hours 59 min ago view
  • brock stewart...steven times for the cubs hitters vs allegedly competitive teams...maybe.

    crunch 12 hours 48 min ago view
  • Maddon would have started three lefties against the Dodgers, Montgomery, Zastryzny and Lester, except that he doesn't have the juice to do that. No manager does. Maddon has a boss, Epstein (and probably Hoyer, too), who gave him a starting rotation of five guys including Hammel. Maddon was asked yesterday about the starting group for next year and basically said, Not my call, that's why I drive away in my RV in the summer and occasionally check in, etc.

    VirginiaPhil 17 hours 18 min ago view
  • video of Maddon.

    always nice that he actually tries to honestly answer questions. Does mention that he wanted to give Zastr? a chance in a meaningful spot rather than a mop-up role.

    Rob G. 1 day 8 hours ago view
  • from Muskat:

    #Cubs Maddon: "I'm not going to make up an excuse for why I did what I did. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence" ... "It was the right thing to do today based on what I saw, what their lineup looked like and Rob Z.'s availability." #Cubs

    Rob G. 1 day 8 hours ago view

    Hammel not particularly understanding of getting pulled he should. Be curious what Maddon had to say. All I can think of is is keeping arms fresh and maybe wanting to see if Zastr? is worth considering for the playoffs and how he'd do against the Dodgers.

    Rob G. 1 day 8 hours ago view
  • great defense

    Heyward, Russell, Baez, Bryant, Ross in particular...although Bryant's a bit hard to judge with all the positions.

    Fowler and Rizzo in the top half of the NL for their positions as well (per fangraphs)...Zobrist right at the halfway cutoff for 2b in the NL.

    I'm sure some luck is involved too, but the Cubs and Maddon knew what they were doing.

    Rob G. 1 day 8 hours ago view