Game 151 Thread / Brewers @ Cubs (3 of 3)

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SP David Bush SP Rich Harden
9-10, 4.24, 103 K, 42 BB, 172 IP (NL)
5-1, 1.65, 78 K, 19 BB, 60 IP
CF Mike Cameron LF Alfonso Soriano
2B #Ray Durham SS Ryan Theriot
3B Ryan Braun 1B Derrek Lee
1B *Prince Fielder 3B Aramis Ramirez
SS J.J Hardy CF *Jim Edmonds
RF Corey Hart 2B Mark DeRosa
3B *Craig Counsell C Geovany Soto
C Jason Kendall RF *Kosuke Fukudome
P David Bush P *Rich Harden


I sat through last night's loss at Wrigley, which I could have done without. On the other hand, I may have the distinction of having seen Ben Sheets's last-ever appearance for the Milwaukee Brewers.

Today's starters, Bush and Harden, matched up during that fateful series in Milwaukee at the end of July. The Cubs won that game, 11-4, and Bush (1-7, 5.16 lifetime against the Cubs) allowed seven runs in 6 1/3 innings. Harden fanned nine and allowed just one run in his only career appearance against the Brewers. Overall, the Cubs have won 8 of the 10 games he has started since coming over from Oakland.

On the subject of magic numbers and division-clinching, Barry Rozner of the Daily Herald points out that if the Cubs clinch the NL Central on Friday, the clinching wouldn''t be official until the Brewers play at night in Cincinnati, long after the Cubs/Cardinals matinee is over. Same thing could happen on Saturday. In other words, there might be no in-Wrigley celebration for the players or the Cub faithful this weekend.

A few players we talked to Wednesday came up with some other ideas.

First of all, they're certain the team leaders, Ryan
Dempster and Kerry Wood, will organize a group outing to a restaurant
or bar where the club can watch in private, and, if necessary, douse
each other with cheap, sticky, smelly beverages that never fully leave
your clothes.

I wish Rozner's sources had been a little more specific about the possible site of this player party. I'm thinking I'll just camp out at the TGI Friday's I know of in Oak Brook and cross my fingers.


Cubs win today, lose tomorrow, Brewers lose Friday night, Cubs win Saturday = Weekend Celebration at Wrigley.

Completely unrelated, but I was in Chicago over the weekend and we spontaneously decided to drive up to Milwaukee for Monday's game. I truly think that was the most fun I've ever had at a game. It seemed like a small town atmosphere with a bunch of families just there to have fun and root for the Cubs. Everyone around us was as friendly (and sober) as could be and it was just a great day at the ballpark. Sometimes I think a little gets lost when there are 40,000 screaming drunk fans at Wrigley. The game in Milwaukee reminded me more of what it was like going to a game as a kid when I didn't notice the stupidity of fans and just loved being at the ball park.

The possibility of less drunkenness and stupidity and more of a family atmosphere is the one thing that could make me support a new stadium.

I am not sure that the problem is the stadium.

Yeah, I'm not sure that has much to do with a new stadium. It's more to do with a 90 mile drive on a Monday afternoon for a game that was scheduled a few days before. Just a bunch of hardcore fans, many of whom live in Wisconsin or near the border that don't get to go often. So they brought their little kids and their families and just went to a game.

I think as long as Cubs baseball is played in Wrigleyville, it's always going to be a party/drunk atmosphere. I honestly wouldn't have it any other way, as there is something very special about Wrigley and the location...but being up in Milwaukee in a half full stadium with a bunch of young kids and families just seemed like the good old days when I'd go to a game in 1983 with my parents with 10,000 in the crowd and just truly appreciated what it meant to spend a day at the park.

To think of how close I once was to being a part of Johann's family.

And on the second day, Trans said "let there be further recappage."

And Trans saw that this, too, was good.

Is good relative?

Bush vs Harden? HAWTTT

Harden hitting 96 on the gun...good to see...

Harden through 2 innings -- no hits, 5 K's. Trails 1-0. Cubbery!

Seems like that 1-0 deficit was the result of walking three guys, not Cubbery.

Unrelatedly, there are not 40,000 drunks at Wrigley. Obviously there are a lot of them, but let's not do what uneducated media does and generalize.


My "Cubbery" reference was more general in nature....

Harden could throw a 150 pitch no-hitter.

Walking Craig Counsell with 2 outs and nobody on?

"Command" seems to be an issue.

Holy cats. 115 pitches through 5??

Is he done for the day?

ETA - Gameday shows that as nearly a grand slam... How scary was it?

Awesome deke by Kosuke to keep the runner on second from scoring on a double. He may suck balls with the bat right now, but that kind of defense is pretty valuable.

No way does Harden go out for the 6th.

Wow, in so Harden's last appearance, his command was absolutely on, but his velocity was down. Today, his velocity is back up, but his command is nowhere near where it usually is. At least that's what it looks like from the comments and following the game on GameCast.


Get the shark out of there! He's done enough damage!

Thank you!

Nice to see we've got that middle relief problem fixed.

Why in the world is Geo playing again?

Still wondering why Geo is playing?

One run in ten innings agains the Brewers bullpen. Inconceivable!

Good thing Kerry struck out Prince Tuesday night -- otherwise, this would really be getting uncomfortable.

Geo and Dero need a day off, Lou, while Kosuke needs a plane ticket home. Playing Geo today was a really bad decision.

I really don't like our relief options. Outside of Marmol (who is giving up HR's a bit too much too) I don't have confidence in anybody.

But, I put this one on Harden. A starter only lasting 5, puts a lot of pressure on the bullpen.

Oh. My. God.

Yeah, pretty bad decision on Geo.

Yeah, having Geo in the game really was a bad call!

OK, who's the wise guy who posted the "no Geo" thing under the billybucks name?

All I can say is, if Howry comes into this game, I am going to lose my mind.

(PAT): Can you believe it?!?!?

I was listening to Pat and Ron the day the news came out about how Ron was on the HOF ballot again and thought about his potential acceptance speech...

OH YEAH OH YES OH GOD OH MAN kind of summarizes it, with a "That's right, Pat" thrown in. He's a Cub treasure and a seemingly very nice man, but depth of knowledge and articulation??? Maybe he should replace Sarah Palin on the ticket (CA-Phil ducks)

two out ral-ly
two out ral-ly

lol CA Phil

Anyways: "There's always next year." ®™

What happened with Edmonds?

Frosted tip break

I kid, Jimmy.

These umpires need to get off the power trip and understand they shouldn't affect the outcome of the game one way or the other. Running Edmonds halfway through an AB is inexcusable.

Be a professional and look the other way if Big, Bad Jimmy is saying mean things you fucking pussy.

Cubs win

Magic number 2

Brewers in a dogfight for the wildcard, now looking up at 2 teams

Brewers are only looking up at 1 team really. Either Mets or Phils will win the East and Brewers are chasing the one who doesn't.

That's right. I stand corrected. They are 2 games back in the loss column to the Mets

my vote is for the mets to be the wild card

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  • First year I'm not going to a Cubs/Dodgers game in a long time. 4 month old baby kinda changes plans around. But the no-hitter I was at last year can last in the memory banks for awhile.

    I think Dodger Dogs are awful. I love hot dogs, but those are crap.

    blockhead25 4 min 59 sec ago view
  • ayyyy...get a doyer dog, then.

    crunch 24 min 21 sec ago view
  • I'm going to be at this one! Am told a Dodger Dog is just a long hot dog. Disappointing.

    Charlie 26 min 45 sec ago view
  • If my math is correct, if the Cubs play .500 baseball for the rest of the season, they will finish with 99 wins. I only just confirmed through Baseball Reference that 97 wins last year (and 2008) were the most Cubs wins in my lifetime. I think that last year while Arrieta was pitching better than Cy F. Young I didn't really get or appreciate what he was doing. I'm trying to try to grasp in the moment just how fucking remarkable this season is.

    Jackstraw 1 hour 19 min ago view
  • This is awesome.

    (CSN Chicago will air Vin Scully's call of the Sunday Cubs vs. Dodgers game...well for an inning at least)


    Rob G. 2 hours 18 min ago view
  • I figured this was going to be the most meaningless regular season in Cubs history...and it is pretty much on point, although I certainly didn't think we'd have close to a 14 game lead.

    But, one bad hop in game 1 in October could change absolutely everything we will remember about this year.

    blockhead25 2 hours 55 min ago view
  • oh he's great, there's like 10 great pitchers in the NL right now that can flat out dominate though. Picking #2 (behind Kershaw) doesn't matter much to me right now. Much like whom the Cubs will play in the playoffs won't matter much, they're gonna be good teams.

    Rob G. 3 hours 8 min ago view
  • The Cubs great pitching has a lot more to do with their great defense this year and plenty of good luck  (#1 in ERA, #4 in FIP behind Nats, Mets and Dodgers with a rather ridiculous .258 BABIP against Cubs' pitchers).

    Cubs pitchers do strike out more hitters than Giants pitchers and do walk more hitters than Giants pitchers so that's a few more balls in play. Cubs' pitchers actually have a higher groundball rate though. Crawford is just really good and baseball happens.

    Rob G. 3 hours 10 min ago view
  • i do what i want.

    i run with 12 gangs and we only commit hate crimes.

    i do what i want.

    crunch 4 hours 15 min ago view
  • I was asking how well Scherzer holds on runners.


    BTW, your used underwear remark sounds rather specific. Please don't project. Thanks.

    Tito 4 hours 43 min ago view
  • nothing gets you going like someone talking about lester, eh?

    i hope you're on his payroll or he sends you used underwear or whatever you're into.

    btw, he holds runners like shit. he does things with runners i've never seen another pitcher do in my life...even going back before i was born as far as i can tell. would you like to discuss it? that sounds like it could be educational and fun. hit me up, bruh.

    crunch 4 hours 46 min ago view
  • last year they won 97...and came in 3rd in the division. crazy game on a year-to-year basis.

    this year it's likely no one else in the division will win 90, though it's technically possible at this point.

    no matter what, this is a special team, though...very well rounded...and should be mostly intact next year with a bonus schwarber. chapman may not be around, but whatever...rondon and crew are capable even if not on chapman's level.

    crunch 4 hours 47 min ago view
  • How well does he hold on runners?


    Tito 6 hours 42 min ago view
  • It's August 26. Cubs with 14 game lead. And not for #1 draft pick.

    Words I never thought I would type together.

    Jackstraw 6 hours 57 min ago view
  • One more victory to ensure a winning season!

    billybucks 9 hours 14 min ago view
  • If I were a betting man

    Give me the Dodgers tonite, not just because of
    Monty on mound.

    Two nights in LA for the kids? Woooo

    /Prove me wrong

    jacos 9 hours 14 min ago view