Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game Representative?
Let me preface this entire article with a big old - who cares? With the Cubs playing the way they are, the mercy All-Star that the Cubs will get is of little importance, but I needed an article idea for the day and it's a fun discussion. And dagnabit, baseball is suppose to be fun.
So assuming the lemmings that are voting don't get Alfonso Soriano in there (currently 4th behind Carlos Beltran who is on the DL), the Cubs All-Star will be a reserve. In 2003, the All-Star process was changed and the players vote for eight reserves and eight pitchers, along with the eight starters voted by the fans. It's a 32-man roster, so the managers (in this case Charlie Manuel) gets to pick seven and the fans vote for the final player out of a pool of 5.
So who will be the Cubs representative(s)? Options below the fold...
Ted Lilly - He's probably my pick for the Cubs because if you're going to take a representative of this team, it should be on the pitching side. He leads the team in ERA (for qualified pitchers), wins and strikeouts. Has he been one of the 8 or 9 best NL starting pitchers this year? Well until that second to last start versus the White Sox he was probably in the discussion, although now he's just 14th in ERA and tied for 12th in wins. He seems to be pretty well-respected around the league, so the player vote should be strong and I assume some will remember that he was a choice for the WBC.
Randy Wells - The unqualified ERA team leader has been more than a pleasant surprise, but for the entire NL to notice, a glossy win-loss record would need to accompany it. I just don't see him getting picked over a vet.
Carlos Zambrano - Like Lilly, if the players got their vote in early in the month, he may have a shot when his ERA was 3.39. He's still considered the ace of the staff by most of the league, so maybe he'll get the reputation vote or as Joe Sheehan likes to pimp at Baseball Prospectus, the All-Star game should be a reward for the better players in the league rather than just having good first halves.
Derrek Lee - He's been the only Cub to hit decently over the last two months but his overall first half numbers are sorely lacking at a strong position in the NL. Albert, A. Gonzalez and Prince Fielder are all sporting OPS numbers over 1.000 to Lee's .834 which just ranks 8th among qualified 1st basemen. His production numbers are sorely lacking as well behind Berkman, Howard and Todd Helton.
Ryan Theriot - The shortstop crop is pretty weak in the NL once you get past Hanley Ramirez. Tejada has trailed off considerably from his hot start and Tulowitzki's surge has been pretty recent that it may have gotten missed by the players. Theriot's 4th in runs scored and home runs among shortstops and no doubt it would be a mercy inclusion if he makes it, but someone has to on this forsaken team.
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#1 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
other = Gatorade Cooler
#2 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I voted for TheRiot, 1) he's awesome, 2) the NL needs some Scrap Pack action to win one of these damn games, and 3) because I need a reason to watch.
#13 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
it's too bad you don't like baseball. perhaps you should watch soccer.
#29 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I love baseball...and I happen to enjoy soccer. It's too bad you're a turd.
#33 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
no you don't. any person who thinks that Ryan Theriot makes any game worth watching doesn't like baseball.
I guessed soccer as you seem to like things that are boring.
#34 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I wonder Chad, what you have against a guy who actually hits on this team? Is it the mediocrity? Is it that Nomar just didn't work out they way we all would have liked? Or are you just a Neifi fan still depressed over his departure?
Get a clue dope. Some people happen to like certain players. Do I wish he could throw better than he does? Absolutely. Fact of the matter is he should be our leadoff hitter, and you sir are just a Theriot hater. I might like boring things, but you're still a turd.
#35 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
let's pretend we're civil around here today in anticipation of our nation's birthday...
#37 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
What does our nation's birthday have to do with civility?
#38 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
as much as not being civil does not have to do with it...
just making a joke...occasionally they're funny, most of the times they're not....
#39 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Dave meant to say he thinks you're fabulous.
#40 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
He is fabulous. And occasionally uncivil. And obviously occasionally patriotic. But mostly just brilliantly fabulous.
#42 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
You're right Rob. I'm sorry for my anti-Chad stance.
#64 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Hey knucklehead but a sub 100 ops+ is not a guy who can hit.
learn some moneyball.
and i'm the dope? you want one of the weakest hitters at the top of our lineup.
#77 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Whoa whoa whoa. OPS+? Who is this heterosexual and what have you done with Chad and his baseball theory?
#83 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I do believe there is far more to baseball than sabrestats.
Having said that, when you have a guy who is not a good fielder, he better be a good hitter. How else to do you determine it?
SJS thinks multi-hit games are important. You know I am not a sabreguy but even i know that is ridiculous.
#81 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Outside of Boston, how many championships has the moneyball idea won? Thank you.
"One of the weakest hitters"? All Theriot did last year was lead the league in multi-hit games. All he's doing this year is hitting better than anyone else who started the season with the club.
But I'll bite, if not Theriot, then who would you have play short? That's right, no one. So even if you don't like him, you're stuck with him or someone who is by far worse. Even if I'm wrong, you still have to live with him on this team.
...still a turd.
#82 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Chad is still puzzled about why the Cubs traded Izturis.
"Moneyball" hasn't won any championships. It's a book.
How many times has the team with the best OBP lead the league in runs scored, or with the lowest OBP allowed lead the league in runs allowed? More than twice.
#85 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
keep calling me names. it's working you're starting to win the argument.
actually no. you are not.
and let's look at your post above. you make two distinct arguments.
You say the Theriot is a good hitter because he led the league in multi-hit games. I say he ops+'ed at 93. do you know what that means? below average hitter. so, do i care if our shortstop is below average as a hitter? no. no under two conditions. 1. that he is a + fielder. Theriot is not. Some say he's average at best. I think he is bad. 2. if that below average hitter hits 8th. right where he belongs.
second argument that you make: who would play short if not for theriot? answer is no one. you are right. the only problem is that you are insinuating that i think we should bench him. we should not bench him. we should start him and bat him 8th where he belongs.
i would try to replace him yes, but with someone not currently on the cubs roster.
#106 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Of course, Theriot hit .307 with an OBP of .387 last season, leadng the team in? GETTING ON BASE, which is what the lead off hitter should do.
OPS+ is frigging fabulous, but if the Cubs lead off hitter is getting on base, and scoring runs, I really don't give a shit what he slugs.
#111 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
**NEWS FLASH** The Cubs SS, Ryan Theriot is a SINGLES HITTER. He's not going to have a high OPS because he doesn't do much in terms of extra base hits. All he does is get on base. If you want a leadoff hitter who slugs then you should be more than happy with Soriano leading off.
#114 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Preaching to the choir....
#115 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Duely noted. I still get the feeling that Chad is stabbing his 'Riot voodoo doll even harder now.
#116 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
it's obvious that you don't know what ops+ is.
#118 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
It's the basic OPS adjusted for parks. Even though I had to look it up, it still doesn't change the fact that if you are a singles hitter than OPS anything are the wrong stats to be using.
#119 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
it also takes into account runs created. and theriot is very ordinary in that department. is right at league average.
#3 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I voted DLEE just because he has been able to climb from Mendoza-line horrendous in April, to respectable .285, and really been the only consistent offensive "bright spot".
Although, Pujols way, way, is more deserving.
#4 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
i voted neifi perez...because i'm like that.
#5 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
Lilly only. F*** this team.
#6 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I voted for Fox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#7 Re: Who Should Be the Cubs 2009 All-Star Game ...
I also picked other = the Burger King guy. He is also Soto's favorite!!
Seriously, after having half the team in the All-Star game last season, we deserve to have no one make it. If I was forced to take someone, I'd have to flip a 6-headed coin. Even after missing 2 months, Ramirez might still be most deserving to go!!
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