Game 98 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (1 of 3)

Game Chat Carlos Zambrano vs. Kip Wells Lineups:
Soriano LF Kennedy 2B
Theriot SS Schumaker RF
Lee 1B Pujols 1B
Ramirez 3B Duncan LF
Floyd RF
d>Edmonds CF DeRosa 2B Rolen 3B Jones CF Miles SS Kendall C Molina C Zambrano P Wells P


A little off topic, but this bugs me enough to want to post about it.

Over the past few years, it has become fashionable among baseball media guys to talk about how shameful it was that media and fans buried their heads in the sand and ignored the “obvious” steroid crisis in 1998 and beyond. They said we — the fans, the media, etc. — were all clueless, or worse: enablers.

Yet, over the past couple of weeks — beginning around the All Star Game in SF — the media has been swept back up in the baseball hype machine and re-buried its collective heads in the sand. Everywhere you turn, you hear “but he was a Hall of Famer before any of the accusations” or “it wasn’t even against the rules at the time” (even though meth and wife beating and mass murder and child molestation weren’t either) or “he has never failed a drug test.” It’s as if baseball is finally realizing that the record is going to be broken, and needs to come to terms with that fact in its own disfunctional, rationalized way. Even Peter Gammons is part of it.

It’s disgusting.

On topic:

Wells has had like a 2.50 ERA over his last five starts.

According to the poll, more than twice as many people give credit to Piniella for the success of the rotation over Rothschild. I wonder what crunch voted for.

damn, what was ERA before those last 5 starts?

hour until game time and there's been no complaining about the lineup yet. Do you guys want to win or what?

Dammit, did Lou draw these names out of a hat or what? Put a real team out there for chrissake!

That's a hell of a lineup.

Ehhh... I mean... this lineup sucks. =)

As for the Cards... why isn't Pujols the cleanup hitter yet?

What the hell is the point of calling up Cedeno to sit on the bench? Where is the Fontenaught? I can't tell, is right field the stud pasture or the holding pen at the glue factory?

I'll be hanging in the chat watching the brewers until gametime fwiw...

Wells has a 2.50 ERA over his last 5 games, not starts. He's been in and out of the bullpen.

Wells Game Logs

well, when your average start is only 3 innings, what's the difference?

Apparently, Jake Fox is up to fetch LouPA coffee...carry the heavy bags to the hotel, and to baby sit Rich Hill...that, or he's on the Ryan Theriot plan from last season...

Lou's just waiting for Fox to walk into his office and ask for playing time.

What kind of stinky ass lineup is this? Where the hell is godenot? Etc etc.

This is probably our best lineup if we keep Murton in AAA. I'm not so sure Theriot is better than Cedeno, but that's fine. I'm still not a face of Fonte. DeRosa's better.

My ideal: cubs sweep cards. Dispatch goes bankrupt.

I hate the Cardinals. My Dad taught me from the first time I watched George Altman play to root for the Cubs and whoever is playing the Cardinals. Their fans make me want to upchuck.

I hate these set lineups...and Z needs to bat 8th, at least he's a switch hitter...and why isn't Fox in the lineup? Bitch, bitch, bitch...

I'm just glad we're not playing with the lineup on the right.

Lee bats third right away coming off his suspension? He's going to struggle to adjust to the five game layoff!

All Hail Mr. Altman, Post #17 You are dead on!

Go Cubs..

Kip Wells is a beast.

More accurately, Jock Jones is a beast.

What did DeRosa come out of the game? Can't lose that guy to an injury...

DeRosa fouled a ball of his ankle/leg.

Hope he didn't break it.

A-Ram also creamed himself w/a foul to his knee.

root for the Cubs and whoever is playing the Cardinals.
Good words to live by. Though my head explodes when the cards play the white sox. Fortunately that only happens every few years.

...I was raised to hate the Mets more, prob b/c of '69...

meanwhile back in Peoria

Fort Wayne Top 5th

Pitcher Change: Mr. W replaces Michael Bartek.
Michael Campbell grounds out, pitcher W to first baseman Russell Canzler.
Jodam Rivera walks.
Jesus Lopez grounds out, shortstop Darwin Barney to first baseman Russell Canzler. Jodam Rivera to 2nd.
Matt Stocco flies out to center fielder Leon Johnson.

Ronny says that The Riot was safe on the steal of second. And I quote - ahem: "Oh no. He was SAFE! Aw jeez. He was in there. He was safe. Aw jeez. He was in there, this shot shows it." (as if he was a TV announcer)

Gotta love Santo

Hey, Ronny Cedeno.

Way to go.

Ha Jumbo. Heard another Ronny Classic (tm) recently:

[Hughes] ...lifts a fly ball to right, Floyd coming on, and he [Santo] AW GAAH, GEEZ COME ON! [Hughes] front of him [Santo] AAAW, GEE! [Hughes] the play.

Kendall is a bum

Say, is the Chat working? I can't get a sign-in page.



If you have HBO watch Bob Costas show skewering Selig who sounds like a complete assclown.

Selig said something like his beliefs on steroids doesnt matter.

Your the f'ing comissioner.


why the hell wasn't molina thrown out. tony larussa gets waaaay too much leeway.

nice job derosa, i mean, cedeno

cedeno's back I see

Looks like Ronnie's already forgetting how to field after getting back on the MLB team.

nice clutchy swing pooholes

anyone hear santo's choice of words when describing how izturis was released? he used the compound verb "got rid of" instead of traded or whatever. now, i realize that ronnie is no wordsmith, nevertheless, i found the choice of words telling.

What was the "on-field delay" listed on

wow, neither scoreboard operators nor tv truck guys can count in st louis

color me unsurprised.

lee! glad to have you back big boy.

wow, neither scoreboard operators nor tv truck guys can count in st louis

color me unsurprised.

lee! glad to have you back big boy.


Dempster in to close it?


cant sweep unless you win the first one.


Cy Z, 13-7

scoreboard operator can count, he just can't if there are more balls than his two toes

welcome back to the bigs our ronnie cedeno with the deer in the headlights look (oh yeah, and he did get a big RBI hit)

I hate it when Len says Pujols is 0-4 (after his 7th inning at bat)

I love Theriot when he draws a walk late in the game, DLee welcome back...driving in the 4th run was tremendous

some things never change, like a Ryan Dempster save...somewhere up in heaven, Rod Beck is smiling

What happened at the end? Gameday said Ludwick made an out, then Pujols was up?

Pujols grounded out to 2nd to end the game

Ludwick singled to Soriano who bobled the ball letting the pinch runner Ryan score (he had been held up at 3rd by the coach initially. Fortunately the bobble didn't let Ludwick go to 2nd...then as Rob said, Pujols 4-3.

Soto just socked his 13th, a 3-run shot. E-Pat four for five.

So gameday just screwed up. I saw "ball in play, out(s)" and thought the game was over. Scared the crap out of me when I looked back a couple minutes later and saw Pujols up with a 1-1 count.

Good win tonight.

Zambrano mostly just made me nervous tonight. He's the NL leader with 13 wins, but he's only been dominating in a handful of starts. I really thought he should have looked a lot better than Wells, but he didn't.

Well hell, I'm a Cubs fan, I should take my wins however I can get 'em.

Soriano has the "Kendalls"

That Ump was squeezing both pitchers tonight, even Brenley mentioned that. That being said, Dempster with ice in his veins against the Big Poo. One of my favorite Dempster saves ever was when he got a white-hot Pujols to ground into a double play a couple of years ago to end a game.

Rotoworld says Young has a strained oblique. I wonder if its from the aftereffects of his World championship bout with Lee last month or if he was having "aggressive negotions" with Barrett on pitch selection. Either way I am sure everyone here (except for Rob) is happy to here the news.

Rosenthal's latest, only real items of interest is the Wsox asking for a young bullpen arm for Dye and everybody on the Giants for sale.

yeah, couldn't be unhappier about Young, he's a vital cog in my TCR fantasy league.

It's Dumpster (17 svs 3 blw 3.1 HR in 36.2 innings 3.19 ERA). Get it right!

Welcome back Dempster, we needed you. Now maybe Howry and Marmol can rest occasionally.

err, that's supposed to read 1 HR Dempster.

Well Wuertz is our 4th righty out of the pen, and probably 5th when Woody comes back so he is expendable if KW wants him.

Only the thought that Dye is likely to be a Type A free agent can make me agree to Wuertz for Dye. By the end of the season Wuertz is likely to be our #1 get us out of trouble guy.

KW really no leverage in trade talks, because he keeps running his mouth about how he is going to make changes. He is going to look stupid if that roster looks the same on 8/1. He also does not have the option holding on to his guys and getting picks because their farm system is bottom 5 in MLB due to bad drafting and trades. So please Kenny just shut up stop asking for guys like Derrick Turnbow.

problem is Dye might agree to arbitration....

I think Dye would slide into the Type A since it's based off the last 2 years but they did raise the standards on the other hand.

I'd prefer to send them Rocky Cherry if at all possible or Juan Mateo or both over Wuertz.

I'm also not exactly sure how much Dye improves the team unless he is willing to split time 50/50 with Floyd.

Dye improves the team because:

A. He is a better OF than Floyd
B. He is slugging the ball better this year than Floyd has.
C. He is getting out of his 1st half funk, and could be a top 10 NL outfielder the rest of the way if a deal can be made.

Dye may be willing to do that. By all reports he's slipped defensively in right, but he would still represent an upgrade over Floyd. Of course the best fit for a platoon right fielder is still Sammy. Maybe Fitzpatrcik (is that the president?) will tell Hendry to get over himself and send Petrick to Texas for Senor Sosa.

Oh and one year of Dye won't be any worse than a year of Jones/Floyd in left.

Some guy on BCB who says he knows the Dunn Family is saying that Dunn to the Cubs is close. I would suggest taking this with a 10 lb bag of Morton Salt.

" Of course the best fit for a platoon right fielder is still Sammy."

I feel so very vindicated. Thank you.

as long as he doesn't cost us somebody I really care about, than a deal for Dye is fine by me. He certainly not going to hurt us. Guess I'm holding out for something more impactful, say Ken Griffey Jr.

KGJ and Sammy Sosa. Then one day put Jr in CF and Sammy in right. Most homers in an outfield ever, right?

Then one day put Jr in CF and Sammy in right. Most homers in an outfield ever, right?

And the worst defensive outfield ever.

I'd have no problem with Dye playing RF the rest of the season for the Cubs - here's the highest price I would pay: Murton and Mateo ( and I would really prefer someone like Roquet or Atkins instead of Mateo). No way I give the Sox anyone off the 25 man roster.

I'd prefer to give Mateo...he's already been injury prone, and isn't going to be in the rotation this year, or next.

I still really wouldn't want Dye....until Cliff ruptures a hamstring jogging out to left field...

re 77, if you are still reading. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

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