Game 12 Thread / Cubs @ Philllies (3 of 3)

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SP Jason Marquis SP *Jamie Moyer
  0-0, 6.75, 2 K, 1 BB 1-0, 4.66, 4 K, 4 BB
LF Alfonso Soriano RF *Geoff Jenkins
CF Reed Johnson CF Jayson Werth
1B Derrek Lee 2B *Chase Utley
3B Aramis Ramirez 1B *Ryan Howard
RF *Kosuke Fukudome LF Pat Burrell
2B Mark DeRosa 3B Pedro Feliz
SS Ryan Theriot C Chris Coste
C Henry Blanco SS Eric Bruntlett
*Jason Marquis P *Jamie Moyer












Marquis was bypassed in the rotation on Friday because of a strep throat. His only 2008 appearance was last Saturday, when he pitched 5 1/3 very bumpy innings against the Astros (8 hits, a walk and 4 ER). He's 4-3, 4.64 lifetime against the Phils and beat them last year in his only start against Philly since joining the Cubs.

Moyer pitched for Lou Piniella's Seattle teams and went 98-48 between 1996 and 2002. He actually had two stints with the Cubs. After they released him in the spring of '92, the Cubs were kind enough to offer him a coaching job within the organization.

He has gone on to win 197 Major League games since then.

The story Saturday night was Ted Lilly's continued terribleness and the ineptitude of the Cub offense, which, since the first inning Friday night, has accounted for just two runs and seven hits in 17 innings. It's true that the Cubs have gone up against two very good pitchers, but the Cubs also were throwing their supposed #1 and #2 guys, and the Phillies--even without NL MVP Jimmy Rollins--have had no trouble putting runs on the board.

If the Cubs can bag this win, they will end their Pennsylvania road trip 4-2, and if it's all the same to you, I am going to pretend they took two of three from both the bad Pirates and the good Phillies.


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I mean I doubt he will be a solid hitter in the bigs, but we will never know if we dont play him. I wonder when the Cubs will sign K-loft? My guess is on 4/27.

I'm all for playing him. I'll say it again. But, if I'm going to play him, I'm only playing him against right-handed pitching. That isn't today. His career OPS against left is .269 in a small-ish sample.

Ken Rosenthal won't let the Roberts cycle of trade talk die...can we see that diagram again?    

Unbelievable this game is blacked on TBS in Indianapolis! Why does baseball try so hard to keep the game from the fans? I'll never understand it.

No kidding! I'm getting sick of being treated like shit from MLB.
Does anybody have Bud "Fuckstick" Seligs home address?

Jenkins at leadoff? I would think he'd be better off 6 or 7 than 1, but I guess Manuel has lost his top two choices for leadoff

yeah, with Victorino and Rollins both out he had to be creative. Also, they said Jenkins has killed Marquis over the years.

Moyer's fastball is topping out at 80 mph, per Gameday's numbers. Incredible.

On the TBS gun he's been hitting 82 on his fastball, 73-76 on his breaking ball, and around 71 or so on the change. Yeah, it's amazing he gets people out.

Cubs got a break on the DeRosa home run, replays showed it was foul.

Phillies get a break on Wuertz throwing like garbage. Good job, Mike!

What a choke job by Wuertz. Just pathetic.

...aaaaaand cue naptime for the offense.

...aaaaaand cue naptime for the offense.

Dear My Former Self,

Geo Soto made a liar out of you. Buy him a beer next time you see him, if at all possible.

Very truly you,
Pell Mell of the Future

Let's trade Les Walrond for Chase Utley.

Let's trade Les Walrond for Chase Utley.

Hey, I bet if we throw in Sam Fuld we could get Rollins, too!

What do you think the price is for Victorino? Would the newly-acquired Doug Deeds get it done?

Cedeno (WTF?!) and Soto!! Tie game!!

Glad to see those four at bats (and missed played fly ball into a double) help Ward with his pitch hit at bat. K on ball four

The good news is he didn't ground out to the right side of the infield for the 5th time in a row.

Did you just become a fan this year or something?

Last year Ward hit .327 .436 .527 - his OPS+ was 144.

He's the least of the Cub's problems.

"Glad to see those four at bats (and missed played fly ball into a double) help Ward with his pitch hit at bat. K on ball four

The good news is he didn't ground out to the right side of the infield for the 5th time in a row."

I'm trying to understand why I find a comment like the above so irritating. I think it's for a couple of reasons. First, I strongly suspect that if Ward had come through with a hit, we wouldn't have heard a peep out of Mr. Shot about how Ward's playing time on Friday may have helped him hit today. Which would be both cowardly and dishonest. Second, using a single instance (the ultimate small sample size) and hindsight to condemn a manager's arguably reasonable decision at the time it was made reminds me of the kind of opportunistic arguing that my 13 year old often does. It's not done to bring out a valid point worthy of consideration by others. It's only done for the sake of claiming that you "won" the argument.

Of course, it may be possible that Mr. Shot would have graciously offered his congratulations to LouPa for his excellent foresight if Ward had come up with a base hit in the 8th inning today. I'm just not going to be holding my breath.

Not a new Cub fan - fan since 69 when I was 5 yrs old. I was too young to understand how bad that year ended.

I know Ward is one of the (if not the) best LH pitch-hitters in NL.

I just perfer not to him play RF in a big park. I value outfield defense. Defense wins (and loses) games as much as offense.

I also feel that long term Pie is better for this team that Johnson.

I am in agreement with you, in general terms, about valuing outfield defense and in your belief that Pie will be more valuable to this team than Johnson in the long run. I can also see value to the arguments in favor giving playing time to Johnson (and Ward on occasion)under certain conditions. I guess I see enough value in those arguments that I don't feel comfortable in condemning those moves at this point. I reserve the right to change my mind in the future, however.

I beg to differ with the statement that defense wins any games at all. Defense can lose and never win a game.

Fancy analysis set aside, defense is still defense and cannot score any runs.


What if defense can not lose a game? Or maybe if it can not not not lose a game, aw fuck this - you're wrong! Defense matters to winning and losing. Sort it out however you want to to make your point

somewhere if Lou keeps using them like this.

Nice grab by Lee
Wild inning by Woody.

Question: if Utley singles in the 10th instead of doubles, do you still walk Howard?

If I'm Lou, I at least tell Howry not to throw him a strike.

Yes. With So Taguchi hitting after him, I definitely walk Howard.

So a construction worker, Red Sox fan working on the new Yankee's stadium attempts to curse the new stadium by burying a Red Sox jersey underneath it, and the construction crew goes back with jackhammers and digs it up? Are you f*ing serious?

This looking fucking ridiculous to someone like me who isn't one single bit superstitious.

wanted confirmation that there was a red sox fan still wearing the buried jersey.

So it wouldn't bother you if that was a Cardinal jersey in a new Cubs stadium?

I would be upset if there were a new Cubs stadium.

Nope... not at all.

I would laugh.

If you really think that having a stupid jersey buried under your field means something, there are bigger issues than the jersey.

The BoSox have now officially f-cked with the Yankee's minds 24/7 at this point.

White Sox could buy one of the rooftops across Sheffield or Waveland and put a billboard up there. Now that's called fucking with the competition.

Reminds me of 10 or 12 years ago, when the White Sox' flagship station at the time actually DID buy a billboard overlooking Sheffield and the el platform. The headline said something like:

(just 8.1 miles south)

The Cubs naturally had a fit and I don't think the board was up for very long.


Yeah, but I remember that gag - pretty funny.

Wasn't there a similar Miller Lite billboard outside Wrigley making light of the Brewers when they were in town?

There is a Miller Lite billboard on Sheffield that pokes fun at EVERY TEAM that comes to town. Has been there for at least 4 years.

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