2011 Cubs Tricker Tacker - Day 3

ROUND 31 (939): Ronnie Richardson, OF (U. of Central Florida)
B/R, 5'6, 170, 21 years old
COMMENT: Draft-eligible college sophomore... Considered a bit of an under-achiever... Was a member of USA Junior National Team in HS, and was selected out of HS by Twins in 11th round of 2009 draft but did not sign... Strong arm and a good defensive CF... Above-average speed... Hit 312/440/422, with 36/44 BB/K and 19 HBP, and 15 SB (5 CS) in 62 games (297 PA) for Golden Knights in 2011...



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ROUND 32 (969): Pete Levitt, RHP (Mt. Olive College)
R/R, 6'5, 235, 22 years old
COMMENT: College senior... Was selected by Cubs out of Pitt CC in 50th round of 2008 draft but did not sign... Helped lead Mt Olive to 2011 D-2 College World Series... Went 10-3 with 2.93 ERA, .236 Opp BA, allowing 89 Hits, 40/99 BB/K in 101.1 IP for Trojans in 2011...


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ROUND 33 (999): Sheldon McDonald, LHP (U. of British Columbia)
L/L, 5'11, 205, 22 years old
COMMENT: 5th-year college senior... Was a member of Canadian Junior National Team as a teenager... Member of Team Canada at World University Games in 2008... Threw a no-hitter for Team Canada at Grand Forks Tournament in 2010... Transferred to University of British Columbia after spending freshman and sophomore years at Northeastern University in Boston...


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ROUND 34 (1029): Bobby Kelley, OF (Calhoun CC)
R/R, 6'1, 180, 19 years old
COMMENT: JC freshman... Hit .400 with 9 HR & 42 RBI and 15 doubles in 39 games (135 AB) for WarHawks in 2011...


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ROUND 35 (1059): Ian Dickson, RHP (Lafayette)
R/R, 6'5, 205, 20 years old
COMMENT: College junior... Did not pitch in 2011... Went 1-4 with a 7.00 ERA with 65 hits allowed and a .344 Opp BA, and 17/40 BB/K, in 45 IP for Leopards 2009-10... Had breakout season for Rockbridge Rapids in Valley League (collegiate summer league) in 2010, throwing a no-hitter in his final start last August...


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ROUND 36 (1089): Trevor Garcia, IF-OF (Martin Methodist College)
R/R, 5'10, 190, 22 years old
COMMENT: College senior... 2011 TranSouth Conference Player of the Year... NAIA Honorable Mention All-American... Versatile player who can play anywhere in the infield or outfield...


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ROUND 37 (1119): Steven Maxwell, RHP (TCU)
R/R, 6'1, 190, 23 years old
COMMENT: College senior... Throws 91-93 MPH fastball that tops out at 94 and a solid slider... 5-1 with 3.13 ERA, 56 hits allowed, and 18/53 BB/K in 63 IP for Horned Frogs in 2011... Was Mountain West Conference Pitcher of the Year and 2nd Team Louisville Slugger All-American in 2010 when he went 11-2 with a 2.70 ERA and 34/93 BB/K in 103 IP... Was selected by Twins in 12th round of 2010 draft but did not sign... Had TJS earlier in his career and missed some time this season with biceps tendinitis...


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ROUND 38 (1149): Casey Lucchese, RHP (College of Charleston)
R/R, 6'4, 200, 22 years old
COMMENT: College senior... Was drafted by Cubs in 39th round of 2010 draft but did not sign... Throws a 92 MPH sinker and a slider... Was the Cougars closer in 2011... 3.95 ERA and .253 Opp BA, 39 hits allowed and 25/48 BB/K in 43 IP in 2011...


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ROUND 39 (1179): Ricky Jacquez, RHP (Franklin HS - El Paso, TX)
R/R, 5'9, 160, 18 years old
COMMENT: Rated the #190 best prospect by Baseball America going into draft... Two way player (RHP/SS)... Throws a 92-94 MPH fastball that tops out at 97 and a "hammer" curve... Struck out 20 in a game in March... Went 9-0 with a 1.17 ERA, with 33 hits allowed and 20/127 BB/K in 66 IP... Signed NLI with University of Texas...


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ROUND 40 (1209): P. J. Francescon, RHP (Trevecca Nazarene)
R/R, 6'1, 195, 22 years old
COMMENT: College senior... Transferred to TNU after spending freshman and sophomore years at Middle Tennessee State... Went 6-2 with a 3.28 ERA for Trojans in 2011, struck out 66 in 68.2 IP, with six CG and two shutouts...


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ROUND 41 (1239): Austin Urban, RHP (Des Moines Area CC)
R/R, 6'2, 195, 18 years old
COMMENT: JC freshman... Was selected by Orioles in 27th round of 2010 draft out of Richland HS (Johnstown, PA) but did not sign... Was set to attend Penn State but opted to enroll in a JC instead so that he would be eligible for selection again in 2011 Rule 4 Draft... Rated by Baseball America as the #1 prospect in Iowa coming into this year's draft... Led his team to the 2011 Division 2 JUCO World Series... Throws 90-92 MPH fastball that tops out at 94, a mid-80's slider, and a change-up... Has command issues...


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ROUND 42 (1269): Brad Zapenas, SS (Boston College)
R/R, 6'3, 185, 21 years old
COMMENT: College junior... Was Gatorade New Hampshire HS Player of the Year in 2008... Good defensive shortstop with a questionable bat... Career .279 hitter with 2 HR & 60 RBI, 28 doubles, two triples, and 13 SB in 160 games over three seasons at BC...


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ROUND 43 (1299): Jay Calhoun, RHP (Second Baptist School - Houston, TX)
R/R, 6'2, 165, 18 years old
COMMENT: Son of former MLB LHRP Jeff Calhoun (pitched for Astros and Phillies in the 1980's)... Two-way player (RHP/2B)... Hit 398/480/756 and went 6-1 with a 1.61 ERA, allowing 43 hits and 28/127 BB/K in 74 IP for the Fighting Eagles in 2011... Signed NLI with Dallas Baptist University...


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ROUND 44 (1329): Kenny Socorro, SS (Marshall)
R/R, 5'9, 175, 22 years old
COMMENT: College senior... Was the leading hitter (batting average) for Thundering Herd in 2011... Hit 337/388/380, with 1 HR & 27 RBI, five doubles, 15/15 BB/K, and 5 SB (1 CS) in 51 games (211 PA)...


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ROUND 45 (1359): Tanner Kichler, RHP (Sherwood HS - Sherwood, OR)
R/R, 6'5, 190, 18 years old
COMMENT: Threw a one-hitter last week to propel his HS team into Oregon Class 5-A state championship game... Signed NLI with St. Mary's College...


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ROUND 46 (1389): Scott Weismann, RHP (Clemson)
R/R, 6'0, 190, 21 years old
COMMENT: College junior... Best pitch is 93 MPH sinker... Was expected to be a Top 3 (weekend) starter in 2011, but was much more effective working out of bullpen as the Tigers closer where he limited opponents to a .128 BA... Overall went 3-5 with a 4.86 ERA, allowing 62 hits and 17/51 BB/K in 57 IP for Clemson in 2011...


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ROUND 47 (1419): David Ernst, RHP (Fargo South HS - Fargo, ND)
R/R, 6'2, 200, 18 years old
COMMENT: Throws 85-88 MPH fastball but has touched 91... Threw a no-hitter in the North Dakota Class "A" State Championship game... Was 6-0 with an 0.68 ERA going into the championship game... Signed NLI with North Dakota State...


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ROUND 48 (1449): Sam Howard, LHP (Cartersville HS - Cartersville, GA)
R/L, 6'3, 170, 18 years old
COMMENT: Soft-tossing lefty throws a mid-80's fastball, a hard slider, and a plus-change-up... Excellent control... Signed NLI with Georgia Southern...


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ROUND 49 (1479): Antonio Gonzales, LHP (Damien HS - LaVerne, CA)
L/L, 6'2, 185, 18 years old
COMMENT: Went 7-4 with a 2.18 ERA, .217 Opp BA, allowing 57 hits and 28/69 K in 70.2 IP for the Spartans in 2011... Signed NLI with UC-Riverside...


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ROUND 50 (1509): Cody Edwards, RHP (Bellevue CC)
R/R, 6'4, 215, 21 years old
COMMENT: Throws an 88-91 MPH fastball that tops out at 93... Is presently playing RHP/OF for the Klamuth Falls Gems in the West Coast League (summer collegiate "wood bat" league)... Will transfer to Liberty University if he does not sign with Cubs...

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I was looking more into the Vogelbach kid. Perfect Game has him listed as running a 7.15 in the 60. That is moving pretty good for a guy his size. I bet there aren't to many Cubs running that right now. So obvious he has to learn about proper nutrition, but could be a good athlete in a bad body right now. There is also some video of him running out a triple and looks to run pretty fluid.

Good candidate for Camp Colvin!

It's a good sign that he lost weight for his senior year... a bad sign that he let himself get that big to start, though. He's obviously got some bad habits, so it will be a matter of him recognizing them and the danger of it, as well as him becoming determined to be the best player possible.

Kamp Kerry is probably a better one for losing weight and keeping it off.

He needs camp Colvin and Kamp Kerry. Denser muscle mass will kick the metabolism up a bit and help him keep weight off. Obviously he needs to adjust his diet, though. I wonder whether some of that weight might be booze weight, too. Youngsters don't always realize how much beer can affect their weight.

Remember "Camp Barrett" before the Colvin and Kerry versions?

Remember how Corey Patterson didn't show up for it...

Dunn has K'd a major league leading 42.6% on the year, Pena is 6th at 32.2%, Soriano up there as well at around 27%

Pena has also hit a lot of HR's since May and nice of Ramirez to join the party.

too bad there's no way the Cubs will hold this lead

As long as Marmol doesn't throw a slider to Theriot, they should be good.

I am sure you've got a typo on Dunn's numbers there, Rob... had the Cubs signed him to play at first they would be in contention for a playoff spot.

I see the Sux batters are trying to outdo the Cubs starters for the crappiest unit in Chicago. Rios has amazingly done even worse than Dunn and Beckham, Pizeirniski and Pierre are in haling distance.

I'd still wager that Dunn has better year end #s than Pena will. I'll also wager that he puts up better OPS's than whoever the Cubs play at 1st base in 2012 and 2013.

Write that down......

What are you wagering?

20 dollars on Paypal?

I'll take that bet... or if you lose you can do a write up on "Old Man Skills" for TCR.

may I suggest that you two define exactly what those #'s are now so there's no argument later.

nice odds for Neal though, aaronb needs to 3 things to go his way to win.

OPS+ sounds good.

I'd say just standard OPS.

Dunn will out OPS Pena this year 2011 and Cubs 1st baseman in 2012 and 2013.

Deal?

Sure.

Deal

HEY! I resemble that remark!

Of course the answer to those questions is irrelevant. As should now be clearly evident, the Cubs are not close to putting a winner on the field. Thus, they have no business signing 33 year old first baseman to a four-year $56 million contract.

The same is likely to be true this off season, which is why I expect they are targeting Fielder over Pujols. If they are looking at either.

Can't completely disagree with the sentiment of giving a 31 year old First baseman a 4 year contract.

However

Do we really think that the Ricketts are going to firesale this thing out and wait 5 years until we can develop a Minor League system where people can actually hit?

Seems more likely that we will continue to patch here and there until further notice?

I expect that the Cubs will allow their over priced veterans to go away either by trading them, for whatever they can get, or by letting their contracts run out. Other than Soriano this is basically over after 2012. Thus, I expect the Cubs to continue to pursue short term players like Pena, unless young players that fill a need (for example see Garza and maybe Fielder) become available.

Players like Dunn don't fit in this plan.

I agree that is the way they will go forward.

Unfortunately as the 1990-2002 Cubs showed us. You don't win much with patchwork rosters at the MLB level. Especially when the franchise is CAPABLE of fielding 130+ Million dollar payrolls.

Agreed you need a plan, and then you need to follow it so you don't end up with a patchwork mess.

The problem is that we are currently fielding an expensive bad team. The first thing we need to do is get rid of the expensive bad players. Sadly that will take time since those same expensive bad players have long term contracts.

My main concern is that the Cubs will not follow a plan (or don't have one), but instead will sign players like Dunn in a effort of compete for the wild card.

sign players like Dunn or trade for players like Garza, deviating from their stated "plan", in a misguided effort to compete for the wild card.

Gammons was lauding the Rays for the Garza trade during the draft coverage the other night, and he didn't even feel the need to mention Archer. At least Pena didn't cost us any draft picks.

metioning archer would distract from the point that the cubs sold high on him.

he finally had a decent start the last time out at least...nothing special, though.

right now TB has a promising years-away SS, some filler, and an interesting brandon guyer situation to show for it. if archer doesn't "get it together" his value is going to be tanked...i don't even know how to handicap it right now, but i'd imagine it's currently not too high. he's added "hitable" to his wildness makeup.

btw...too many people, esp. the press, don't realize the cubs got zach rosscup in the trade. he's not archer-level, but he's serviceable and is yet to have a bad minor league season (3rd season in progress). f.perez got all the press in the trade on the cubs side.

The Garza trade is troubling, but given his age I at least can understand the thought process even if I am not entirely sure I agree with the reasoning.

Isn't Fielder just a Vogelbach waiting to happen?

Or, something like that.

Sheesh, I took a look at that kid. It looked like he still had a couple cheeseburgers in his mouth when the photographer pulled him aside for his picture.

As someone who has gained 15lbs. I can't seem to lose (albeit, at 50+), he is young enough and would hopefully be supported by all of the state-of-the-art training/nutrition opportunities available these days to keep things under control.

Didn't work for Reggie Golden, but maybe this guy?

Shit - I wish I could afford a personal trainer, chef, and nutritionist! I could maybe lose 5lbs!

Personal trainers are a scam.

I read somewhere that he's actually below 250 now, so that's a good sign.

Sheesh, I took a look at that kid. It looked like he still had a couple cheeseburgers in his mouth when the photographer pulled him aside for his picture.

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And he was yelling...."BRAINS!" with a hollow look in his eyes.

^Fukudome leadoff double
^goes to third on a passed ball, nobody out
^dies there

^Campana (the folly of batting him 7th) two out single
^steals second base
^Koyie Hill intentionally walked!!
^Dempster strikes out, three out

Some blog coments by an ASG Stalker from August of last year:

http://www.perfectgame.org/blogs/view.aspx?bl...

"Ricky Jacquez might not be very big, but he is one of the most talented kids in the country. Big arm, outstanding defensively and he hits. Can't forget he's mid 90s from the mound."

Some comments on other notables as well, including Baez.

I am assuming Jacquez wants more money than anyone thinks he's worth at this stage. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd round "talent" because of his size?

This is the opportunity I think teams should seize upon. Throw extra money at players like Jacquez and see what happens.

A good percentage of the time, the player will not reach their potential. But if they do, you got a quality player in the late rounds for a minimal amount compared to their actual worth.

I hope they sign Scott, Jacquez, Maples, Urban, Maltos-Garcia, Jensen and Lindgren (along with relievers like Zych and others...not saying these should be the only ones signed). All of them appear to have potential to be decent prospects and could make this an extremely special draft on the pitching side considering our first three picks were hitters.

It still comes down to money. Say the kid won't sign for less than $4 million - do you still offer it to him?

I agree there is a limit and some kids are unsignable - Jacquez and Maltos-Garcia may both envision themselves as first round picks in a few years and be willing to gamble on getting multi-million dollar contracts.

But I would be willing to put more on the table for players. And the Cubs have done it in the past (albeit not always successfully) -- McNutt got $100k, Huseby and Logan Watkins both received well-above slot, I believe.

For someone like Jacquez, I would be willing to go up to around $1-1.3mm. This is all under the assumption that the description of his raw stuff is accurate and our scouts concur. If so, adding players like Jacquez and Maltos-Garcia could make this draft exceptional if Baez and Vogelbach (and others) develop. And the risk, relative to amounts spent by baseball teams each year, is minimal.

In terms of unsignable, here is Baseball America's description of our 47th round pick.

"David Ernst capped his high school career by throwing a no-hitter in the North Dakota Class A championship game. The 6-foot-3, 200-pound righthander usually pitches at 85-88 mph, though he did touch 91 in his first outing this spring. His parents are wealthy and he's a good student, so there's virtually no chance he can be lured away from attending North Dakota State."

Only if he plays football too!!!!

Ricky Jacquez sounds like a pretty good prospect. 99% sure he doesn't sign.

fun sequence...

Campana singled in the 4th with 2 out and Hill up, doesn't steal and Hill singles him to third and Dempster ends the inning.

Campana single again in the 6th with 2 outs, this time steals and Hill is IBB and Dempster ends the inning.

Can't believe Hill is IBB'd?

Ced Landrum is having himself a nice little game though.

Dempster was "emptying the tank" according to Len and Bob, figuring the 6th would be his last inning.

Who wants to bet Quade sends him back out in the 7th to blow the lead and game?

I will not take that bet.

Our opening day starter, very briefly, has his ERA in the 5's! Let's party!

Wow. Kerry Wood in to start the 7th. Amazing.

Montanez now in LF, batting 9th, with the pitcher in the 6th hole. Snyder didn't show snot today with the bat.

takes a balk to get Fukudome home this time from third, once again there with less than 2 outs.

During high school baseball tryouts of my senior season, they did a drill where the first basemen would throw a "grounder" to guys at third, who would then field it and throw back to first.

One of my friends fielded it, then did a crow's hop throw to first, just in case anyone was cofused about what position he should be playing.

That reminds me a lot of Blake DeWitt batting #3 today.

I expect Quade thought being a MLB manager would be more fun than this.

"I can't remember the last time I was excited guys going out on rehab," Cubs manager Mike Quade said. "I've got to be honest, [I am]."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/st...

Hey Hey! Cubs Win!

let the next losing streak begin tomorrow!!!

I miss the days of them always being around .500 one under or one over.

The game today is how Hendry must have perceived this team being a contender. We would get good starting pitching (and he felt he could count on Z, Demp, Garza for good starts, Wells to develop more consistency and Cashner's development giving better than a normal #5) and get the ball to Marshall, Wood and Marmol. We would get some HRs from Aramis and Pena and some other production from the rest of the lineup.

A terrible plan, as it turns out, but today was evidence that this projection can occur.

Good day to run out and buy some lottery tickets. Have to like the multiple punch outs on Votto and Bruce.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/6/8/2214042/cubs...

Also some take about the injury scare.

Ya Hey there!
A tip of the tuque to you, ya hoser.

Phil Bourbon Rogers solves Cubs and SOx problems with one trade.

To enjoy more read this in the voice of Foster Brooks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

Rogers is eminently bashable, but it's right in the first line that it's people emailing him the suggested trade.

The old "some, I won't say who, are saying..."

Also, his take on it is "of course this is stupid...the Cubs would have to give up way more than just Z for it to be worth the Sox' while! Plus Z is criminally insane!"

That is just..just... just... (Stares out window contemplating bleakness of existence)

I'm guessing that the emails actually read something like this, "Hey Wrongway Phil, you moron! Here's a stupid idea you'll like. Cubs should trade Z for Dunn! Try to get that out of your head!"

Ozzie managing Z... that's just all kinds of crazy.

And oh my god, Brenley cut loose and called them a "dead-ass team"? Way to go, BB! Saying aloud what everyone is thinking. Probably not a positive career move, but it is entertaining from my side of the tube.

When did this happen?

Monday morning I believe...

Mark Grace did something stupid...

http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale...

he knows better...then again he knows better than to keep shoving cigarettes into his lungs as a broadcaster and father, too.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy

Anybody got a lot of promise who is signable among those guys, AZ Phil?

Submitted by Koyies Bansaw on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:32pm.

Anybody got a lot of promise who is signable among those guys, AZ Phil?

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K BANSAW: 39th round pick Ricky Jacquez would be a nice pick-up, but he's almost certainly known to be unsignable or he wouldn't have fallen that far.

Most of the players selected on the third day of the draft (rounds 31-50) are viewed as minor league roster filler or are essentially unsignable based on who they are and what they want (like a 5th or a 10th round talent who wants top of the 1st round money to give up college), but 41st round pick RHP Austin Urban sticks out as somebody who could turn out to be a McNutt/Struck type under-the-radar JC guy.

I'd also like to see the Cubs sign an under-achieving talent like 31st round pick Ronnie Richardson and maybe pay him an over-slot bonus (like maybe "5th round money") if that's what it takes to get him.

I doubt that will happen, though. I suspect Richardson will probably want to return to school and try and increase his value for the next draft (he's just a draft-eligible sophomore, so he can afford to wait).

Cool stuff, I hope to see another under the radar type like McNutt, Struck, or even Beeler. Thanks as always, Phil.

and the coach/manager/suits/etc. firing begins...in a very unlikely place, imo

rangers hitting coach thad bosley out...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rang...

"Texas went into Wednesday night’s game hitting .264, fourth-best in the majors. The Rangers were second with 72 home runs and sixth with 291 runs."

Was he tweeting pictures of his Weiner or something?

i have no idea...it seems weird. i can't find much commentary about it or the situation.

-edit-

here's something from the "bleacher report"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/728421-tex...

Trade em Rudi jar!!!

btw, Thad "1984 Cubs" Bosley's discography.
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/art...

ESPN's Ranger reporter says the Rangers really miss having a "head" guy like Rudy Jaramillo as batting coach. Bosley was just about mechanics.

they went to the World Series and lead the division since Rudy left, probably don't miss him that much.

Was stud Ph'er on 1984 Cubs

the 2nd coach falls...

marlins hitting coach j.mallee, replaced with eduardo perez

via rotoworld, via twitter.

He is from Chicago, grew up in Hegewisch on the Southeast Side (where I am originally from). I have talked with Mallee before and his knowledge of hitting is just unbelievable.

What a shame. I read the "Fish Bytes" article (see comment #131, below, for the link) and it seemed like he did good work with the Marlins from a game preparation standpoint. He may just be a scapegoat, but, as the historical scapegoat died, a real person here loses his livelihood and (to some degree) his professional reputation. It's a sad thing when talented, hard working people get hit with an "off with their heads!" mentality.

OK, OK, but this shouldn't apply to Quade and Hendry, right?

As a principle, it applies to all human beings. I wasn't thinking about their situations when typing that comment, however. I think Jim Hendry has compiled a long enough record (pro & con) and is in an important enough of a position that I don't think the term "scapegoat" would be appropriate if he were to be dismissed.

Muskat with updates on several Cubs minor leaguers...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110...

doesn't help that Jackson is 5/35 in AA since his return with 11 K and 4 BB's. Did hit a HR last night though, hopefully he's coming out of it.

Days dwindling down for management team?
Hendry and Kenney may take fall for Cubs' swoon soon

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

hendry will be pretty lucky to make 2012. he's done nothing truly boneheaded, but he's also done nothing worth mentioning lately in the team success department. fair or not, when things get this stagnant with this much money on the line guys get run off just to put someone else's ideas to work.

Why does everyone keep reporting that the Cubs Owe Big Z $37 Million in '12-'13, According to Cot's Z's '13 player option doesn't kick in unless he's 1st or 2nd in CY voting this year (no chance of that) or top 4 next year (very slim chance) and he has to be healthy at end of '12. I think we can pretty much say that '13 option won't kick in.

Or is Cot's wrong and it's a straight player option?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

"We’re both very good," Dunston said. "I have a little more talent, but my son is more educated than I am, so he'll get the game a little quicker than me. And he just goes out there, and he knows what I want from effort and everything else will take care of itself. He is also a more patient hitter than I was."

Here's a list of other players more patient than Dunston Sr.:

Every player to ever play baseball at any level

Other than 70% of the current Cubs players at all current levels.

"Tom came out and told us we'll be more active on the amateur side," Wilken said Wednesday. "When you feel you have a shot to sign players, it changes the strategy in how you pick. It was like Christmas Day for scouts."

What Ricketts' message meant was that Wilken and his scouts were able to select high school players that might not have been signable in the past. In Wilken's five years with the Cubs, they have ranked 24th among Major League teams in bonus spending on the amateur side.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...

gotta love how the whole angle of the piece is how Daddy Ricketts gave full blessing to draft certain players and not Hendry.

well, just wait until these unpolished gems get in the hands of the Cubs expert craftsmen coaching in the minors.

Anyone else disgusted that a top 3 revenue franchise, was 24th in draft spending?

it's not like you're talking mega-money. they have strong development in latin america and growing investments in the pacific rim outside of the draft.

The article says "In Wilken's five years with the Cubs, they have ranked 24th among Major League teams in bonus spending on the amateur side."

Which would imply that it includes LAM and Asia (as well as Europe), but not the Samardizja and Szczur bonuses.

Or it could just be shoddy writing and it just includes the draft.

maybe if they were a top 3 revenue franchise I'd be disgusted...

but anyway...
last 3 years
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/201...

The Boston Red Sox they are not.

Zell and Co. obviously had different priorities than the draft.

That all being said, being a good team is going to be mean lower picks and less money spent. Wilken's off-the-beaten path style contributes to some of that. Not having rounds 2-4 in his first year as well and there's the fact that other good franchises and teams that make more money spent even less than the Cubs.

I guess we'll see this year, but if last year is any indication, Ricketts is all talk.

According to Forbes they are 5th. But within 20 million dollars of being 2nd place where Boston is.

Bottom line, is when the owner starts with the "Build from within" company line. That owner should invest the money to actually "Build from within".

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option...

According to Forbes they are 5th

You do know that 5 is not in the top 3, right?

they've been 5th for awhile, there's enough legit stuff out there to nail the Cubs on, no reason for your constant tweaking of facts (5/50 offer to Z, etc)

nonetheless, Ricketts was only on the job for one of those years and the Cubs were 20th last year while picking 16th and no extra picks and it would be far more fair to compare international bonus signings as well before jumping to conclusions. Also, as judging by the Cubs the last 3 years, spending money doesn't always equal quality.

that all being said, judging by whom they drafted and the press quotes, they need to put their money where there mouth is this year.

Sure do, since Wilken's picks were determined by the Cubs willingness to pay enough to get them signed AND Ricketts was there right beside them during the draft.

I don't try and tweak any facts. I state things from recollection sometimes before checking facts. But never maliciously.

How much they spend seems less important than who they spend it on.

Interesting, according to a poll of scouts, the Cubs are not one of the teams picked as having one of the best drafts (not that they pick on the Cubs, just don't name them as a top 5 or 10 draft class).

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110...

That also doesn't mean squat when none of these guys have signed yet (I think an Astros guy was supposed to sign tonight, but you get my point).

Those top guys that AZ got could both get hurt and never make the majors, and some obscure 31st round pick could take massive amounts of HGH and be the star first baseman for Stl. :)

so all the teams with multiple first/second round selections...

Thoroughly stupid article by a guy who comes across, at least on TV, as none too sharp.

I wonder if MLB intentionally looks for guys who aren't very bright to avoid them saying controversial things... they do have Reynolds though.

We have discussed this ad nauseum, but the odds are long for anyone under a first-round pick to make an MLB roster. Its not like the NFL. And, with the Cubs as we have seen - even 1st round picks guarantees nothing.

Just not worth getting worked up about yet.

REMEMBER: Pujols 402nd overall pick. 'Nuff said.

"the odds are long for anyone under a first-round pick to make an MLB roster."

Turn that around and say that since there are so many draftees below the first round, the odds are good that several will make it.

Just looking quickly at the Reds' active roster, among non-pitchers I find two 1st rounders (Stubbs and Bruce), three 2nd rounders (Phillips, Votto, Rolen), a 5th (Janish), a 17th (Heisey), an 18th (Gomes) and an undrafted FA (Hanigan).

Pitchers: Bray (1), Leake (1), Wood (2), Arroyo (3), Masset (8), Ondrusek (13), Fisher (15), Horst (34).

Turn that around and say that since there are so many draftees below the first round, the odds are good that several will make it.

You could do that, but it would be pretty silly and meaningless.

You could say that, but it would be snide and insulting.

Look, I'll do the math for you. Four first-rounders, thirteen later-rounders.

Sigh...

Thanks especially to AZ Phil but also to everyone else who had anything to do with the great draft coverage we received this year.

Ditto. Ditto. DITTO!

Yep, thanks for the timely and in depth info, AZ Phil and co.

Yes, thank you!

For anyone who might be interested, four Cub draft picks are on teams playing in the NCAA Super Regionals this weekend (all games are on ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU):

Rafael Lopez, C (Florida State - 16th round pick)
John Andreoli, OF (Connecticut - 17th round pick
Andrew McKirahan, LHRP (Texas - 21st round pick)
Taiwan Easterling, OF (Florida State - 27th round pick)

Did not know this bit of trivia: Albert Pujols played for the Peoria Chiefs (2000). I would surmise they were not a Cubs affiliate then - heh

Yep..I saw Albert play there.....he hit the crap out of the ball...we all wondered what he was doing in Lo-A ball...

He was 25 at the time.

LOL

well in marginally good news, Fukudome having a good June so far, maybe he'll be tradeable.

Hopefully Hendry is working the phones starting today to move Pena the first day he can which would be June 16th (well technically earlier if Pena agrees to it).

Giants, Rays, Indians, Angels, Mariners, Yankees, Dodgers seem to be the teams with holes at DH/1B and somewhat in the race.

What's going on with the Angels' first basemen... was talking to a guy last night and we couldn't figue out if they would be in on Pujols/Fielder or not during the offseason.

Kendrys Morales should be back next year so I doubt it, but who can tell right now.

.257/.305/.476, 11 HR, 29 RBI, 6 steals - Rookie 1B Mark Trumbo for the Angels...seems to be filling in decently?

sure I guess, I sorted by OPS of 1B and then by DH and they were nearish the bottom of both, hence my original comment.

also, I believe they're a little light on left-handed hitters, especially with power at least in regards to possibly interest in Pena, which they may have none of for all I know.

as for next year, no idea they're plan...

Yeah, they've also moved Trumbo into the OF at times....
Really, who couildn't use a Fielder or Pujols though, if the money is available.....I mean, besides the Cubs.

If The Cubs had a rookie 1B with Trumbo's numbers, they'd have had a bobblehead day already....

While it would be terrific to make trades for prospects with our "useful" players, do you honestly believe Jim Hendry will maximize any value?

I surely do not.

Not sure what you mean...he was able to get a strong #3 hitter (Blake Dewitt) merely for a starting shortshop and 15 game winning lefty.

[Hopefully my sarcasm is evident]

We make sarcasm bold now, per CRUNCH's rules...

bold, in red, and blinking was my request...but as usual, the world lives to piss me off.

woe is everything.

I read a while ago that Morales was having a second surgery on his leg and that his ability to walk normally in the future was in doubt, so based on that, I don't see him playing ball again.

helluva jump to conclusion, but thanks for the info

That's great news Doctor. I couldn't play piano before.

It's jumping to conclusion to think someone who is having problems walking wouldn't be able to play baseball?

I guess Stephen Hawking is getting bad medical advice.

like 99% in doubt he'll be able to walk normally again or 50/50?

and did you ever see Vlad Guerrerro play in the last 8 years on his knees or Andre Dawson as a Cub?

A's fire Bob Geren after 9-game losing streak, replaced by Bob Melvin.

May the winds of change reach Chicago...

Yeah, now that the draft is over with, it seems like there's no time like the present to clean house... Let's see it!

Cubs only lost 8 in a row

A's have won 3 more games than the Cubs - 27-36, with a payroll about $60MM less. Should be an indictment of the GM and coach...

yeah, but Bob Geren was best man at Billy Beane's wedding!
that was a hard firing
Hendry should be easy--Jim, 16 years, no pennants no hope, Milton fucking Bradley, yer fired, take yourself and your losers and go...and don't let the underarmour door hit you in the ass.

Damn right!

Joba diagnosed with torn ligament in elbow, moving him to reliever certainly helped him stay healthy.

Would be cool if Z keeps pitching good and Yanks and Bosox have bidding war on him at deadline.

they play in the NL now?

don't see Z waiving his NTC to not get to hit, but you never know.

Cards, Reds and even Brewers could use him in the NL, but all kinds of reasons that is unlikely to happen.

Yankees could also use a DH :)

With his statements last week I think he wants to win more than hit. And like he said "we stinks".

He's a fa after next year he can sign with Mets then.

Although the New York Yankees have had on-again, off-again interest in Zambrano in recent seasons — and have a need for starting pitching — a source close to the Yankees suggested that with former Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild now in New York, the chances of the Yanks going after Zambrano actually decrease.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Navin (Pasadena, CA): As always, thanks for the chat. I was wondering what your opinon was on the Cubs' draft. There seems to be far more HS kids and kids with signabilty questions than in Tim Wilken's previous Cubs drafts.

Jim Callis: Tim isn't afraid to take on some risk to get some upside. Javier Baez had the best bat speed in the entire draft, and there were a number of clubs on him from 11-20. Dan Vogelbach doesn't have a classic build, but he has more power than almost anyone in the draft. I thought they stole Tony Zych in the fourth round. The Cubs have a deep farm system steadily producing talent, so they can afford to be patient with the high school kids.

Lane (Skokie, IL): Im a big Cubs fan and wanted to know how signable Garrett Schlecht is.

Jim Callis: I think he'll sign. I cover the Midwest states for the draft, and he has the best combination of ability and signability among Illinois prep prospects this year.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/ch...

"The Cubs have a deep farm system steadily producing talent"

Wait, I thought Wilken sucked?

A bit 3/44 as I quoted Callis in yesterday's thread from WSCR.

But, we can all see Callis' regard for "Teflon Tim".

Logan Morrison points finger at owner for firing hitting coach

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/

Cubs should nab him when they trade him now :)

Wonder if the Cubs " Deep farm system steadily producing talent" will be able to pry him away?

Fukudome RF

Barney 2B

Castro SS

Pena 1B

Ramirez 3B

DeWitt LF

Soto C

Colvin CF

Wells P

j.baker and r.johnson rehabbing/playing in iowa tonight.

it'll be liking making an insignificant trade!!!!

only took batter #2 faced for the cubs to get the 1st error of the night. neat.

odds Cubs score 4 runs tonight?

holy f'n wind.

wow...they're bringing out the tarp and there isnt even a drop of rain around.

some background lightning...

tarp + wind...this should be fun.

tarp fail round 1..accomplished.

they have guys laying on the ground holding the strap supports and they're driving 4wheelers onto the tarp to hold down the corners.

round 2 = victory.

Junior Lake inching his way to the Mendoza line - 2 hits so far tonight raising avg to .188, including first HR in AA. Vitters with HR #6 and 15th error on the season. 7-1 Tenn over Carolina into the bottom of the 7th.

With one on, Vitters with a double off Aroldis Chapman in the 7th, but advancing runner left stranded at 3rd base, with Chapman striking out the next 2 batters (including the pitcher). Lake with his 4th error (figures) in the 7th, 2 runs in. 7-3 Tenn going into the 8th, Chapman still pitching.

Looks like Chapman still fighting control demons: walks Lake (!) on 4 pitches, followed by wild pick-off throw advancing Lake to 2nd.

Vitters having a nice June, although his K and BB numbers have both skyrocketed along with his BABIP.

http://firstinning.com/players/Josh-Vitters-a

we can hope it's a result of him being more selective

Cubs 7th,

tying runs on, 2 out

will the Cubs come through?

GEO! Ties it with HR in 9th, 1 out.

COLVIN!! WOOHOO

well that was unexpected

Reviewed double
Bullshit

Cubbery

Glad to see Colvin get the 2 big hits after what can only be described as a god awful season so far. Soto's sweet swing jolt to LF was also a welcome sight.

Colvin gets a ground rule double, fan barely reached over fence. Rules seem very stupid there. What it needs to cross to be a HR should be clearly defined, and my view is that no park should have an area where a fan can reach over and interfere with a possible HR. In this case I think there should be a yellow line probably at the top of the green wall, below the fence in front of the fans. Then a fan can't interfere. But that's besides the point. Game goes back to tied. Ugh.

Nice catch by Marshall.

Maybe the umps got this wrong.
Here's one of the Citizen's Bank Park ground rules...

"OUTFIELD AREA

Left Field:

• Ball strikes spectator in fair territory: Home Run.

//Okay, why would this rule be different in right field???

YIKES.

Link to Navigator's source, he's right:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/...

Because they are different. In Left the ball just has to clear the outfield wall and go into the plantings. A fan can reach over the little fence above that and touch the ball before it would hit the plants, but it is too far for a fan to reach over the plants and over the outfield fence. So any ball a fan touches in LF would be a HR anyway, the rule just states that.

In RF the ball has to clear the short fence directly in front of the fans to be a HR. So if a fan reaches over and touches it, it likely would have been a double, thus the ground rule double. If it clears the fence and hits the fan, or hits the fan but would have cleared the fence anyway, it's a home run.

Nice comeback. Especially after Weinergate.

see pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvsbond/23712189...

So that's a double fence above the Bud Light billboard in LF
and it's too wide for a fan to reach a ball still in play?

Yes?

The best picture is here:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ml...

As you can tell from the photo, there is a double wall with a gap in between with plants that would make it difficult for a fan to reach a ball still in play. However, as you can also tell from the photo, it does look possible, although remote, for a fan to really stretch over both walls and perhaps touch a ball that would not have been a homer. So perhaps not the best rule, but that's why there are different rules for different fields in this park.

Hell of a job by Marshall to get out of that jam.

may 18/19 is the last time the cubs won 2 in a row.

sigh...

After "Bake" and "Reedsy" get back, it will be just like making a trade before the deadline!

Just like claiming a guy on waivers at the deadline!!!!

2009 was the last time they won three in a row.

Might want to check that again

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2...

Might want to check your sense of humor.

Oh sorry, joke, missed it.

I think it says a lot about the Chicago Cubs that TRN's comment is taken seriously. I think it says more about the Cubs than it does TRN's sense of humor or your ability to pick up on said humor. I say this in all seriousness.

You r right, i had to check to make sure

Shirley he was joking?

Do you like gladiator movies?

Ever been to a Turkish prison?

Ever been in a locker room, and just hung around?

the term "scapegoat"...
---
Sam Sianis says that's a poor choice of word regarding anything Cubs.

http://tinyurl.com/296sgb

Well played.

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