Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
I'm on vacation this week, so no blog-a-palooza from me at the trade deadline. That being said, word is that Reed Johnson has been traded. No word on the team as of yet, but Levine says 4 teams made their best offer today including the Pirates and Tigers.
Update: No time for linkage, but Cubs get 24-year-old RHP Jake Brigham from the Texas Rangers for Geovany Soto(meh). From the Atlanta Braves they get pitchers Arodys Vizcaino and Jaye Chapman(Vizcaino could be very good in a few years, but currently is out after TJ surgery).
Rosenthal rumors that Reds are in on Matt Garza.
Soriano apparently said no to any ideas of trading him to the San Francisco Giants.
Plenty of good info in the comments, so read on.
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Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:24pm Permalink
Soto gets a send off similar to Johnson.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:27pm Permalink
"don't hug me in the final 3 innings...i'm getting nervous." - len kasper
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:28pm Permalink
Jon Heyman says Reed Johnson sent to a mystery team.
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/23012...
Japan?
SOTO Traded too
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:29pm Permalink
...and also Soto traded apparently.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:30pm Permalink
IS this an Official "White Flag" trade, or is it way to late for that??
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:40am Permalink
Haha... this question made me lol.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 1:08pm Permalink
Our opening day roster was "White Flag" indication enough.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Wed, 08/01/2012 - 8:58am Permalink
BWAAHAA!!
Nice Doc......lol...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:30pm Permalink
Dempster's nanny expecting a hug later tonight.
SOTO Traded too
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:31pm Permalink
Ha!
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:32pm Permalink
Brett Jackson pulled from Iowa game.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:33pm Permalink
Appears Soto traded in a separate deal.
SOTO Traded too
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:36pm Permalink
SOTO has been traded. Also.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:33pm Permalink
Rosenthal says seperate deals for Johnson and Soto.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:35pm Permalink
nice managing there Clint, trying to steal down by 9
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:37pm Permalink
kid behind home plate makes nice catch gets hug from brother.
Wonder where he's been traded to.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:38pm Permalink
ha.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:38pm Permalink
148 AAA games for Brett Jackson btw.
269/354/502 with 25 Hr, 103 R, 30/36 Sb
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:40pm Permalink
d.barney a double away from the cycle.
eventful night.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:40pm Permalink
Gloria Estafon sings 7th inning stretch with notes to help.
"for it's one, two (looks at note) three strikes your out"
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:40pm Permalink
My guess is Soto to Mets. Just b/c I heard they were in the market for one.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:41pm Permalink
a stoner?
SOTO Traded too
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:43pm Permalink
Surprisingly, he has kept his weight relatively in-check as a weedist.
SOTO Traded too
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:45pm Permalink
9:45pm: The Mets aren't getting Soto, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:42pm Permalink
Welington Castillo did not play in the I-Cubs game tonight (Brian Esposito did catch).
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:43pm Permalink
Gloria Estabon is picking up Jackson and Castillo in her bus.
/went there
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:44pm Permalink
Twitterverse playing 20 questions so far of all the teams not gettIng Soto or Johnson. So far no on pirates, giants and dodgers for reed. No on mets for soto.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:45pm Permalink
Reed not going to Pitt or SF
https://twitter.com/BiertempfelTrib/status/23...
http://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/230130...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:47pm Permalink
Rangers for Soto.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:48pm Permalink
wonder if it's soto + dempster...yeah, i'm still on that dumpster/TEX thing =p lulz. etc.
SOTO Traded too
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:47pm Permalink
SOTO to Rangers per Bruce Miles.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:48pm Permalink
Via Kaplan Soto to rangers
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:48pm Permalink
Rangers are getting Soto
https://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/230131...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:50pm Permalink
(As ROB G)
Cubs appear to have traded Soto to the Rangers. Via Tim Brown Twitter.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:49pm Permalink
any word on soto?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:51pm Permalink
Not yet.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:50pm Permalink
Jacob Brigham goes to Cubs in Soto trade
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:52pm Permalink
barf.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:53pm Permalink
Ditto. Why?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:55pm Permalink
never heard of him. i got no scouting info...unimpressive numbers given his age at various levels.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:50pm Permalink
Reed Johnson starts of firestorm of tweets as to who he is not going to...
Not Dodgers
https://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/230131...
Not Indians
https://twitter.com/hoynsie/status/2301312870...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:52pm Permalink
per DKnobler
https://twitter.com/DKnobler/status/230132664...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:52pm Permalink
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/play...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:54pm Permalink
24 year Old pitcher in AA with suspect numbers
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/play...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:57pm Permalink
If we continue to collect Jeff Belliveaus, we are in deeper shit than I thought.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:59pm Permalink
Scouting report
● Jake Brigham: 49 present/57 future with 60-grade fastball (60-grade velocity as a starter [91-95 mph; tops out at 97 mph]; 55/55-grade movement), 60/65-grade curveball (80-82 mph), 40/50*-grade (*fringe-average) change-up, and 50/60 control. Aggressive power pitcher with two plus offerings at present with projection for above-average control. Projection: No. 3 starter or frontline set-up man/second-tier closer. (3/27)
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2010/3/29/professor...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:59pm Permalink
From March 2010 btw
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:00pm Permalink
Nice work. Thanks.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:54pm Permalink
Johnson to athletics
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:54pm Permalink
For...?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:55pm Permalink
Johnson and Paul Maholm are close to being dealt to the Braves, Jon Paul Morosi tweets.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:56pm Permalink
johnson on A's?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:03pm Permalink
Still nobody good I bet
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:01pm Permalink
Nobody good
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:54pm Permalink
rich harden?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:56pm Permalink
maholm now being traded.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:57pm Permalink
Dempster not being traded?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:57pm Permalink
Jacob Brigham had Tommy John surgery in 2007. Otherwise, I don't get it.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:58pm Permalink
i can't even find basic info on the net about the guy...like what he throws and his velocity.
almost all his info is from when he was got drafted or before...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:59pm Permalink
Kevin Goldstein@Kevin_Goldstein
Jake Brigham is much more than I would have expected. Writing it up for BP .
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 9:58pm Permalink
Morosi tweet sounds like it's a done deal to Atlanta
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/23013362...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:02pm Permalink
brigham...from Nov 2011 article when he was added to TEX 40-man
Jake Brigham, RHP – Raw stuff has never been Brigham’s issue, as his arm remains one of the best in the system. The 23-year-old had an inconsistent Double-A debut campaign but appeared to settle into the full-time bullpen role during the second half. He posted a 2.35 ERA while fanning 45 in his final 38.1 innings. As a reliever, Brigham’s fastball sat at 93-97 mph, and both his power curveball and upper-80s slider flashed plus. He may not be a finished product, but his late-innings ceiling gives him a good case for addition.
http://rangers.scout.com/2/1130194.html
fwiw, he's being used as a starter in AA this year so far.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:05pm Permalink
cransick
Cubs are getting two minor league pitchers in Maholm-Johnson deal, source says. Not in the Minor-Delgado-Teheran-Gilmartin group.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:06pm Permalink
so the cubs are about to be down 2 SPs with no one to pitch the slots?
...unless something has gone horribly wrong in trading dumpster.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:07pm Permalink
I don't think he's going
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:08pm Permalink
Morosi Tweeted that "Dodgers deal still alive", or something of the sort.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:16pm Permalink
ATL game already over...CHC game just ended.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:18pm Permalink
Blue Jays and Rangers still in on Garza.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/821...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:21pm Permalink
i can only think of 1 prospect on either team i'd would consider for garza...and TEX supposedly wouldn't even budge on olt for j.johnson from FLA.
yeah, rebuilding blah blah etc...but at least field something worth watching.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:22pm Permalink
We will always have July.
Hold onto your hats for rest of the way.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:23pm Permalink
i should also mention that travis d'arnaud out of TOR is a badass on garza-level, too...i doubt very seriously they want to move him, though....even more-so than olt in TEX.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:26pm Permalink
Rangers got spanked by Angels tonite, hopefully Ryan is in office wearing his big smelly cowboy hat looking to overpay for pitching.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:25pm Permalink
I would do Martin and other decent (not high level) prospects for Garza.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:28pm Permalink
JIM BOWDEN@JimBowdenESPNxm
Alfonso Soriano has told Cubs he will not go to Giants in trade
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:31pm Permalink
I'm okay with Sori staying as long as he's not blocking anybody.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:36pm Permalink
Theo probably worked his ass off for that.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:05pm Permalink
Soriano was quoted as saying:
"Nah, I don't want to play for a team that wants me, especially one in first place...moreover, I'd prefer a fanbase that'll hate me for my enormous contract. I'd rather stick with a team that won't approach contention for the entirety of my contract."
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:06pm Permalink
sounds legit, yo.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:07pm Permalink
Yeah, I got a source on the inside.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:28pm Permalink
Rangers DFA Yorvit Torrealba to make room for Soto
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:42pm Permalink
Funny, I was watching the Rangers game and the lady-in-the-stands was doing some fluff piece when the camera started to pan down to hear lower section...then eventually to her feet. Turns out Torrealba was messing with the camera. She and the crew made comments about using their pull to get him traded....
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:34pm Permalink
per Crasnick
https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/23014239...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:36pm Permalink
Ken Rosenthal@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Vizcaino and Chapman to #Cubs for Maholm and Johnson.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:35pm Permalink
Garza to the Reds? per Rosenthal
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:36pm Permalink
Ken_Rosenthal Source: Vizcaino and Chapman to #Cubs for Maholm and Johnson.
...not bad.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:41pm Permalink
Vizcaino out for season with elbow surgert?!?!?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:43pm Permalink
yeah, but it was very early. he's expected to be ready for spring training.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:43pm Permalink
WTF!?!?!?!?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:45pm Permalink
it's only the 2nd time he's torn his elbow in his career.
he'll be fine... =p
actually, he didn't have surgery first time...though he probably should have.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:49am Permalink
Seems like a low-cost trade for the Cubs- with an outside chance at some sort of payoff.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:40pm Permalink
in case people need reminding...
vizcaino is out having his elbow put back together, but is expected back in 2013.
great curveball and a high 90s+ fastball.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:45pm Permalink
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1290449/picard-fa...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:45pm Permalink
Have to ask CUBSTER prognosis for the surgery Vizcaino had.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:47pm Permalink
he had TJ surgery back in march.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:45pm Permalink
Arodys Vizcaino's 2nd trade:
July 2, 2007: Signed by the New York Yankees as an amateur free agent.
December 22, 2009: Traded by the New York Yankees with Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and cash to the Atlanta Braves for Boone Logan and Javier Vazquez.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:50pm Permalink
more on Vizcaino:
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012...
Arodys Vizcaino had his TJ surgery on 3/20/12 during spring training.
before his surgery...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:52pm Permalink
so don't ask for autographs until Easter
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:53pm Permalink
if he can find a slider or some other offspeed pitch to compliment his curve he's got starter material.
braves just gave up on it...plus when he works relief he can bring it 95+mph on the fastball all the time rather than dialing it back a bit in order to go 5+ innings.
he's got either/or SP/RP value, imo.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:53pm Permalink
a cool quote from Braves GM, Frank Wren, in the above Vizcaino article (from last march):
“There are guys that have ligaments that don’t look good on MRI and they play their whole career,” Wren said. “Greg Maddux’s ligament, from what I’ve been told, was one of the worst looking ligaments they’ve ever seen. But he continued to pitch and it never really became a problem. And that was when he first signed with the Braves.”
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:06pm Permalink
and Soriano blocks any possible trade to SF per Jim Bowden
https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/23...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:59pm Permalink
Am I pleased with these returns?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:05pm Permalink
i like the ATL trade...and im the guy that considered p.maholm a cheap 2013 option for the cubs (6.5m) if they consider putting a competitive team together.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:03pm Permalink
this is in the twitter feed and i don't get it...
"jcrasnick Chapman is a back-end-of-the bullpen guy. Throws low 90s, and has a plus changeup. #cubs #braves"
yeah, he has a change...and it's closer than any other offspeed pitch he's got (including a slider)...except his curve, which is pretty impressive.
also, he's a low 90s guy when he's starting, but he's more than capable of repeating a 95-100mph fastball when he was throwing relief for ATL.
he may be a back-end pen guy, but he'll most likely be throwing harder than low-90s when doing it if he's not expected to throw 5+ip. he'll also be showing his curve more than his change.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:10pm Permalink
Have to ask CUBSTER prognosis for the surgery Vizcaino had.
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It was classic Tommy John Ulnar Collateral Ligament surgery and it was done by Dr. James Andrews on March 20th this spring. So what's not to like.
He should be available next spring although they might bring him on slowly from that point.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:12pm Permalink
I thought Dwight Yokum was the leading surgeon?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:12pm Permalink
wow...a.huff (SF) out of the game. he's barely off the DL.
how much more career does he have left? it's like watching b.bonds play his last couple of seasons.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:18pm Permalink
I like what I'm hearing about the returns. Am I crazy to think that considering it wasn't for Dempster and we can still move him, this may beat the Demp for Delgado trade that didn't happen?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:33pm Permalink
I'd rather have Maholm and Delgado than Dempster and these guys I, granted, know nothing about.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:39pm Permalink
Vizcaino was rated ahead of Delgado, but is obviously more fragile, recovering from Tommy John, and doesn't have that 6'3" frame Delgado does. However it's all a frickin crap shoot and mjmiller73 is right, we'll hopefully get a tasty can of soup from the dodgers. Oops, I mean hopefully get someone exciting on some level for Dempster.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:45pm Permalink
Brad Lincoln for Travis Snider trade is an interesting swap of two mostly-failed 2006 1st-round picks taken just before (Lincoln) and after (Snider) the Cubs' own failed pick in that draft (Tyler Colvin), whom they moved for another failed 1st-round pick in Ian Stewart.
I guess the moral of the story is that GMs just can't resist the name recognition associated with "former 1st round draft pick," regardless of whether the player has turned out to be an absolute bust.
To whom can Theo pawn off Casey Weathers and Hayden Simpson?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:04am Permalink
Jake Brigham leads the Texas League in HR allowed.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:08am Permalink
Ouch
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:31am Permalink
It gets worse. Cubs are sending TX money to take Soto off our hands to boot. WTF, Soto has really fallen down sure, but he's still a ML catcher, and those are hard to come by. How could Theo not get something better than Jake Brigham? Seriously??
Granted, it could be that Jedstein had already concluded they would non-tender Soto this winter, but even so....disappointing trade to say the least when compared to the Maholm + Reed deal.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:40am Permalink
Soto sucked major ass for 1.5 seasons. At least they got a live arm. Honestly just look at his numbers... I think cubs did well.
He's batting like a combined .208 over 2011-2012. Totally awesome just to clear playing time for our two young catchers.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 12:15am Permalink
Dodgers trade for Brandon League.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 1:32am Permalink
Paul Maholm is owed about $1.6M for the balance of 2012, plus $6.5M or $500K buy-out (club option) in 2013.
He also gets a $50K bonus if he pitches 150 IP, and an additional $100K bonus (each) at 160, 170, 180, 190, & 200 IP, for a total potential performance bonus of $550K in 2012. (This bonus will also be available to him in 2013 if his contract is not terminated by club option post-2012).
Unless The Cubs agree to pay part of it, the Braves would be responsible for any perforamance bonus Maholm may attain in 2012 and/or 2013, even though most of his IP were with the Cubs in 2012. However, it is VERY likely that Cubs and Braves would agree to split any performance bonus(es) Maholm may earn based upon the percentage of innings thrown while with the Cubs versus the percentage thrown while a member of the Braves.
EXAMPLE: Maholm presently has thrown 120.1 IP, so another 29.2 IP and he gets $50K. Since he would have thrown about 80% of those innings while a member of the Cubs and only about 20% while a member of the Braves, the Cubs might have agreed (in advance) to pay $40K (80%) of the $50K performance bonus Maholm earns if he reaches 150 IP, and then the Cubs might have agreed to pay 75% ($75K) of the $100K bonus Maholm gets if he reaches 160 IP, $70K (70%) of the $100K bonus if he reaches 170 IP, etc.
Reed Johnson is owed about $350K for the balance of 2012.
So Maholm and Johnson (combined) are still owed about $1.95M in 2012 salaries, plus Maholm's potential performance bonuses (still TBD).
The $1.95M in 2012 payroll saved by trading Maholm and Johnson would be offset by the Cubs needing to replace Maholm and Johnson on the 25-man roster with players making at least the pro-rated MLB minimum salary, so the Cubs will have to add about $350K for those two players (TBD), plus the pro-rated portion of Arodys Vizcaino's 2012 salary (about $160K), for a total of about $510K, and therefore a total payroll savings of about $1.44M (not counting Maholm's peformance bonus).
Again, that's presuming the Cubs are not paying any part of Maholm's and/or Johnson's remaining 2012 salary or Maholm's performance bonus(es).
Geovany Soto is still owed about $1.4M in salary, and the Cubs wil have to replace him on the 25-man roster with a player (presumably Welington Castillo) who is making at least the pro-rated MLB minimum salary (about $175K), for a savings of about 1.25M in 2012 payroll.
Soto will be eligible for salary arbitration post-2012 and will be eligible to be an Article XX-B MLB FA post-2013 (if he isn't non-tendered on 12/2).
However, it is already being reported that the Cubs will be sending the Rangers money to cover some or all of Soto's remaining salary (or at least what is left of Soto's salary minus the $175K they will be paying his replacement on the 25-man roster), so it is still TBD how much (if any) 2012 payroll the Cubs will save in the Soto deal.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 1:45am Permalink
Jake Brigham will likely move from AA Frisco in the Texas League to AA Tennessee in the Southern League and join the Smokies starting rotation.
Jaye Chapman could very well join the Cubs bullpen immediately (he was the primary closer at AAA Gwinnett, but he would probably be a middle reliever at the big league level).
And Arodys Vizcaino goes from the Atlanta Braves 15-day DL to the Cubs 15-day DL.
Even if Chapman is brought up to Chicago, that still means there will be a couple of openings on the Cubs MLB 25-man roster. Obviously Welington Castillo will be recalled to replace Soto, and it is already being reported that Casey Coleman and Brett Jackson might be en route to Chicago to replace Maholm and Johnson.
If so, then Chapman could replace either Matt Garza (who will probably be placed on the DL on Tuesday) or Jeff Beliveau (who may have pitched his way back to AAA Iowa Monday night).
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 2:21am Permalink
Jackson getting called up was all but killed by most of the beat writers.
https://twitter.com/CarrieMuskat/status/23017...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 2:25am Permalink
Dave Sappelt would make more sense.
Sappelt essentially does what Reed Johnson does (RH hitter who plays all three OF spots), plus Brett Jackson is in the midst of a slump and now would not appear to be the best time call him up.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 2:31am Permalink
from what we can barely infer on twitter, he made no indications tonight
https://twitter.com/SappySappelt6
also hasn't hit a lick all year
April: .637
May:.597
June: .640
July: .767
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 2:37am Permalink
Sappelt is hitting 300/354/410 with six doubles and seven SB in 26 games so far in July.
He's not a HR hitter, so what he has done this month is basically what he does when he is playing well.
Also, he is already on the 40-man roster.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:34am Permalink
David Kaplan@thekapman
I just spoke with Brett Jackson. He is NOT getting called up. Told me he is playing today in a day game for Class AAA Iowa.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:21am Permalink
Cut down on those strikeouts, kid.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 1:57pm Permalink
Any chance he's still having trouble adjusting from the Hendry regime's "see ball, swing" approach?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 5:39pm Permalink
Jackson was never a part of that, TJ. Someone else taught him to hit, or he taught himself. I refer you to his .379 career OBP.
Going deep into counts doesn't help you (or Jackson or Adam Dunn) avoid strikeouts.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 2:53am Permalink
OK, CRUNCH, is it too soon to start suggesting FA to fill in the mix left open...For instance, a LSP to take PMaholm's place??
Go for it...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 4:04am Permalink
trade for cliff lee, of course.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:08am Permalink
Jamie Moyer: It's only a matter of time.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 3:38am Permalink
I imagine Jackson was on his way to Chicago until Soriano said no to the trade to SF.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:16am Permalink
Damn. I think you are 100% correct. Makes sense...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 3:48am Permalink
Hey nice trades and if Cincy wants Garza we want Billy Hamilton.
And I am miffed at Soriano blocking a trade. What is it with these guys? Is losing fun in Chicago where they don't want to go to contenders? Are they making so much money that winning doesn't matter?
Man i want players hungry for a championship, not a pay check.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:24am Permalink
With the way Soriano has been playing lately and the way he has improved his defense all season even when he wasn't hitting, I think he's pretty hungry.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 5:42am Permalink
per Muskat...
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:00am Permalink
Here is BP's/Kevin Goldstein's writeup on Brigham:
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:33am Permalink
Goldstein paints Brigham well enough here to be a down-the-road serviceable player, which is conceivably the best we could expect for Soto given his pending non-tender (although hitting in Arlington may earn him another $4M).
Still, I don't see this guy in an MLB rotation, and 7th-inning setup guy is probably the absolute ceiling. As a 24-year-old in AA, he's putting up the minimum numbers he needed to have to not get released.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:52am Permalink
As mentioned by another poster higher up the thread, any live arm is good for Soto. He had a very brief good run when he first got to the league but has been a pretty bad catcher since. Can't throw runners out. Not bad receiving skills but not good enough to warrant the hitting line. I'm not sure what his pitcher's ERA is, though. Rolls eyes.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:06am Permalink
Soto is still better than Clevenger...Castillo...Lalli...Steve Lake....Rick Wrona...whoever the hell the Cubs have?
I'm rooting for Castillo to finally get an extended shot. I sure hope Cub fans are ready for some sucking though. Right now 1B, 2B,SS are solid. CF is ok, and Soriano is having a good year in LF. Catcher, RF, 3B, and 3 starting pitching slots? Not so much...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:57am Permalink
Hmmm...not sure I agree with you. Soto WAS better than the aforementioned. Not any longer.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:21am Permalink
Soto's "D" is better than Clevenger's, and while Castillo's arm is outstanding..his pitch calling, and catching the pitches thrown leaves something to be desired to say the least. Soto's 27% CS rate isn't real good...but much, much better than Clevenger's. He'll take some walks, and hit an occasional HR. If the Cubs bring up Castillo, and give him the majority of starts, I get it. If not....well WTF? Lol.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:40am Permalink
I wouldn't be surprised to see Soto do very well in that ballpark. It seems like his kind of joint. I think he'll have a nice, successful career in Texas and I wish him the best.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:56am Permalink
I agree Ryno. I liked Soto. I thought he did a nice job behind the plate-especially at framing pitches. His bat was starting to come around. I think he'll play more to his career averages-.250 hitter, decent on base and a little pop. I do think he needs more rest than a guy his age would suggest but put in the situation where his bat won't be counted on-I think he'll contribute.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:20am Permalink
If you are basing that comment on Soto's last two years, you are basically saying that Clevenger and Castillo will combine for one of the crappiest hitting lines for the catching position. Not to mention the free reign runners will have.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:52am Permalink
Castillo has a triple-A OPS of .831, to Soto's .851. Not much difference there.
Castillo's swing looks much better to me. Soto's bat seems to have gotten much slower lately--Henry Blanco slow.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:34am Permalink
Except of course...AAA is not MLB. We'll see, I hope
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:01am Permalink
and Chapman:
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:05am Permalink
and Vizcaino:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:30am Permalink
I would be alright with Gould and Lindblom from the Dodgers if they take Sori with Dempster and pay the majority of Sori's contract. They are constantly gabbing that cash is not a problem. I know they Say they won't offer Lee, Webster or Reed . . . but I think Garret Gould must be a possibility?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 6:45am Permalink
Woo... next year is going to be ugly.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:20am Permalink
I think the cubs are infinitely more watchable than recent years. Granted the starting pitching could be atrocious next year, but I find it all exciting compared to the free-agent fatass years.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:35am Permalink
I agree, I enjoy watching this come together with the kids, knowing they will spend money when needed and warranted.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:45am Permalink
+1,000,000
I could not agree more.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:58am Permalink
You never know, really. TheoCorp is stockpiling arms, and they're not done yet. It's a good strategy. Get as many as you can, hope one or two stick. Maybe we'll get lucky and see one shoot up the system faster than expected. I didn't see Germano last night, but his line was not too bad. I'm not suggesting Justin Germano is the solution or even part of it. But grabbing a bunch of guys like that is a good way to find some gold.
Like Carlito says, this sure beats watching a bunch of journeymen (I switched out free agents for journeymen). I like Johnson a lot as a player in almost every way. He would have been a tremendous guy to have if the Cubs were a contender. But he's just blocking people on a team like the Cubs.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:07am Permalink
Who was Reed Johnson blocking? Campana? Seriously..not sarcastic.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:21am Permalink
Whoever they bring up. My point is I'd rather see a youth movement than guys like Baker, Johnson, etc. Nothing against those guys, but they are pointless on a team like this.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:25am Permalink
yes, and certainly if you can get more youth for those journeymen, they gotta go!
goal is to become a talent factory from the bottom up and timeline is not this year or next . . .
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:37am Permalink
Can we get some youth....that's talented? That'd be cool.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:03am Permalink
"I'd rather see a youth movement."
So would I, but young guys aren't usually called up to sit on the bench. That's a job for older players like Johnson, who had his shot at being a starter and then dropped down to a substitute role. Campana originally came up to start in center after Byrd's beaning. The Cubs probably don't like Campana's situation right now, since he's not going to learn to hit like a major leaguer on the bench.
I'm not positive, but I think Mather was supposed to compete with Soriano for starts in left. He just didn't hit. But he's 29, so not exactly a youth movement, either.
Sappelt is still too young (25) to die on the bench. The purpose of his existence now is to have a breakout year in the minors.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:43am Permalink
thoughts:
1.) didn't yesterday seem like a watershed day for Castro? I feel like his defense and power are finally meeting up with his uncanny ability to put the bat on the ball (clearly working on patience at plate too). He's damn exciting.
2.) so glad we didn't trade Barney (yet?), I like him at 2B a ton.
3.) anyone think Marmol goes today?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:12am Permalink
I wouldn't mind the Cubs using Marmol in the 8th inning and it would be cool if they got some boring old dude with control of the strike zone to close games.
Dempster, perhaps. :)
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:59am Permalink
I think if the Cubs are willing to eat Marmol's contract-which has been their mo on all these trades-I wouldn't understand why any team wouldn't have space for Marmol.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:00am Permalink
Also I think it is conceivable that Soriano goes to Yankees *if* Texiera MRI is bad today, and Soriano doesnt mind heading back to Yanks. His numbers are comparable to Texiera and with DH (and a 1B injured) they would find a way to get him in lineup:
Like swisher to 1B and Soriano at DH, etc.
I wonder....
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 7:59am Permalink
What the Cubs overall hitting line is since Rudy left
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:32am Permalink
.246/.295/.389/.684 (6/12 - 7/30)
.247/.304/.385/.689 (4/5 - 6/10)
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:52am Permalink
Fuzz box.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:22am Permalink
Thanks. My minds eye has a completely different take. Must be the Rizzo effect.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:10am Permalink
When was the last time we completed a deal with another team where someone paid to review deals (here Keith Law) said:
"Atlanta gets marginally better for this year with the additions of Maholm and Johnson, but the Cubs land the best prospect they're likely to obtain in this year's trade market in exchange for two players they didn't need....The price for Atlanta, however, was too high."
I really didn't expect anything of note for Maholm and Johnson, so I am ecstatic. And truly just want Dempster traded for anything (he does nothing for us for 2012....and Soriano going as well would be awesome) and hope we can find someone willing to give value for Garza.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:02am Permalink
Of course this presupposes a complete recovery from TJS. Which in Dr. CUBSTER's view (considering Andrews leading the surgery) is baseball-routine.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:22am Permalink
It's Vizcaino's second surgery isn't it? Doesn't that make a difference?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:26am Permalink
first surgery. he avoided surgery on his first tear. still he appears very delicate.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:37am Permalink
Let's hope he doesn't have Angel Guzman disease.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:26am Permalink
Let Cubster confirm, but I think I've read pitchers come back stronger these days after the surgery. Strasburg sure came back well.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:27am Permalink
i've always heard that too. BIONIC arm! (just wishing)
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:18am Permalink
Brett Jackson flew out to end the top of the 6th last night. Rusin pitched the bottom of the inning but was touched for a 3-run homer that made the score 5-1. Cabrera relieved Rusin with two out. Cabrera would have been fourth in the order next inning, so the manager double-switched, bringing Tolbert in to replace Rusin, while Cabrera would bat in Jackson's spot.
This maneuvering based on how recently Jackson batted and how soon the pitcher would bat and, of course, on the inning and the score--this doesn't look like a case of removing a player because of a phone call from Chicago.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:45am Permalink
If Kaplan is to be believed, the Dodgers, Yankees, and Rangers are currently the 3 hottest teams after Dempster.
http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cu...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:52am Permalink
Do you think Rangers acquiring Soto was partially to make a nice comfy landing place for Dempster or Garza?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:02am Permalink
No. I personally have a hard time seeing Dempster going to the AL. Garza to the Rangers has potential.
Cubs TV Deal
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 8:59am Permalink
A bit OT, but does anyone know when the Cubs CSN/WGN contracts are up?
As we all know, a Golden Goose will hopefully appear when they expire.
It sure has for numerous MLB contenders recently.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:12am Permalink
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...
TV contracts.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:18am Permalink
Thanks.
Always the most well-informed at TCR.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:23am Permalink
After reading this, I still can't fathom the incredible sweetheart deal TribCo. signed with CSN. I am guessing, but if it was signed in 2009, and is 10 years at well-below market, I will be in my 60's before the team can get their hands on any of a new deal.
Just goddamned so Cubs. This must have been fucking Zell?
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:35am Permalink
For the first time in over 30 years, this team has an actual interested owner. It'll take a while to un-do everything, but hopefully we all die happy.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:39am Permalink
but hopefully we all die happy.
Hookers and bath salts for everyone!
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:03am Permalink
John Beasley likes this.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 9:41am Permalink
Let Cubster confirm, but I think I've read pitchers come back stronger these days after the surgery. Strasburg sure came back well.
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Unless your name is Chad Fox.
http://www.thecubreporter.com/2009/05/10/othe...
http://cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2009...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:06am Permalink
The below brings back priceless memories:
During the disgusting 7th and 8th innings, the walkmasters paraded their stuff including walk(s) from Cotts, Patton, Fox and Heilman. I was suffering along with Ron Santo who said on the radio: "anytime you have 7 walks you don't deserve to win." Six of the nine walks the Cubs pitchers gave up came from the bullpen.
I believe we have at least better quality on the mound now than the above.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:02am Permalink
Tim Brown@TBrownYahoo
Phillies have traded Victorino to Dodgers for Lindblom and Ethan martin
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:03am Permalink
Victorino to Dodgers for minor league starter Ethan Martin and reliever Josh Lindblom.
So much for Dodgers pitching depth outside of their taboo top 3.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:15am Permalink
Yeah. Fuck Coletti. Well, the Dodgers deal is probably dead. We'll see soon enough if, or where Dempster is going.
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:17am Permalink
Sweeney left game early not because he was traded
http://m.deadspin.com/5930444/ryan-sweeney-pu...
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:28am Permalink
Hunter Pence to SF
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:33am Permalink
JimBowdenESPNxm says Dempster to Dodgers deal done "dotting i's and crossing t's"
???
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:38am Permalink
Muskat tweets that Cardenas, Coleman and Castillo are on the way up from Iowa
http://twitter.com/CarrieMuskat/
Re: Cubs Allegedly Consumate a Trade
on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 11:39am Permalink
Whooo!