Shirking

GAME 125 IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] ATLANTA BRAVES (70-54) @ CHICAGO CUBS (60-64) WRIGLEY FIELD, 7:05 pm CDT, TV: Comcast
Carlos Zambrano, RHP
10-5, 3.07 ERA
149/69 K/BB, 12 HR in 164.1 IP
Tim Hudson, RHP
9-7, 3.45 ERA
83/49 K/BB, 11 HR in 133.0 IP
SS #Rafael Furcal SS LF *Matt Lawton
2B Marcus Giles
alker 3B #Chipper F. Jones 1B Derrek Lee CF Andruw Jones 3B Aramis Ramirez 1B *Adam LaRoche RF *Jeromy Burnitz RF Jeff Francoeur C Michael Barrett LF *Kelly Johnson SS #Neifi Perez C Johnny Estrada CF *Corey Patterson P Tim Hudson C #Carlos Zambrano Here I am, so excited to actually sit down and watch the game, that I totally forgot to post the lineups. The Braves come to town with their rookie sensation Jeff Francoeur, who has yet to draw an unintentional walk. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he'll get at least one against the Cubs. The Cubs have to win. Every day, they have to win if they thingk they have a chance at the playoffs (which they don't). But, if they don't win every day (which they won't) I'm going to do my best to be like Al. Which is not so say I'm going to ignore the myriad problems with this team, but rather that I will do my best to pay attention to the positive things that have happened, are happening, and will continue to happen between now and the end of March.

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1. "Iím going to go out on a limb and say heíll get at least one against the Cubs"

Not a chance in hell.

2. Francoeur is my personal Jesus.

This is probably the 2nd regular season game since 2003 that I honestly don't give a shit about (Final Sunday last year being the first)...it's nice not to be tied down to scoreboard watching or in front of the tv for 6 more weeks.

Bring on 2006.

game...pukerific...

Maybe Kerry Wood will do the smart thing and go ahead and schedule his shoulder cleanout surgery for sometime this or next week. Then again the Cubs brass will probably be stupid and not allow this to happen until the math people say the Cubs have no possible chance to advance to the playoffs.

I couldn't agree more with Adam's post. Today I felt reborn.... it felt so good to just let it go, get this monkey of a cubs season off my back. This team has been like a horrible poker hand and I'm folding. Bring on the offseason, bring on change, bring on next year.

"This team has been like a horrible poker hand and I'm folding."

good one...

Thank god college football season is almost upon us

Thanks to Mannytrillo's tickets I got to see the game. What can I say -- the seats were nice and the guy I went with won one of the Maddux gloves. I have to admit that I was willing Barrett to try to score but he was out by a mile. I had fun, but my winning streak at Wrigley came to an end. Come to think of it all the home teams at all the baseball games I went to on this visit to Chicago lost. Don't tell them. Manny, your season tickets are awesome though. Lucky guy.

okay..i'll bite..

why "Chipper F. Jones"

Good analogy?

If so, I thank you. It's fish like you who allow for even fundamentally poor poker players like myself to remain profitable.

You may fault yourself for not folding earlier (dumping last year contracts for 2006 players), or raising and giving yourself a chance to drive someone else out of the pot. But instead you played weak passive, limping and calling. And what do you hold? Nothing but a gutshot straight draw with one to go. Not to mention that there's already 3 clubs and a pair on the board. And yes that is STL representing the boat and HOU representing the flush. So you called off your chips with a draw for the third best hand.

But what's worse is now that you're already all-in (past the trade deadline) you're going to fold when it's free to see a showdown?

High quality. Are there any casinos on the North Side?

Oh and go Braves. Hopefully we can get in and out of town before Dusty's vibes rub off on the youngsters.

Good analogy?

If so, I thank you. It's fish like you who allow for even fundamentally poor poker players like myself to remain profitable.

You may fault yourself for not folding earlier (dumping last year contracts for 2006 players), or raising and giving yourself a chance to drive someone else out of the pot. But instead you played weak passive, limping and calling. And what do you hold? Nothing but a gutshot straight draw with one to go. Not to mention that there's already 3 clubs and a pair on the board. And yes that is STL representing the boat and HOU representing the flush. So you called off your chips with a draw for the third best hand.

But what's worse is now that you're already all-in (past the trade deadline) you're going to fold when it's free to see a showdown?

High quality. Are there any casinos on the North Side?

Oh and go Braves. Hopefully we can get in and out of town before Dusty's vibes rub off on the youngsters.

Agree... I have now stopped TiVo'ing the games as I dont really care and it is too painful to watch. I already know the outcome of this year :(... well, theres always next year! :)

Pie might be back in action on Aug.27 according to Fielta. It is in Bruce Miles's article and Fielta is better than Sullivan's sources.

I said yesterday I thought the Cubs would go after a high profile SS for next season and let Nomar go somewhere else.....I thought that high profile star would be Neifi Perez (sarcasm alert for those who never can see it)....

This in the Sun Times today

"Chances are, the Cubs will re-sign Perez for 2006 and not Garciaparra, whose health issues make him too big of a risk."

another good critique of the Cubs fearless leader...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-s...

Listen!!!!!

Through the canyons of the city, and over the hills and meadows of the countryside, a sound is heard, a distinctive, plaintive sound:

da-da-dah . . .

da-da-dah . . .

And with the sound, so ended my hopes and dreams for this, my fifty-third year of following the Cubs.

April may be the cruelest month, but this has been a very cruel year, one of the most disappointing in my memory.

The Cubs season was over long ago. The writing has been on the wall since before the all-star break.

But on the bight side SamClyatt is back!

Welcome back!

Welcome back Sam....where ya been?

> why "Chipper F. Jones"

Well, did you see what he did last night?

Trade Patterson, Wood Holly and $$ for Damon

The Mariotti column was hilarious. Apparently he's unaware that Beane's been an owner of the A's for almost five months.

Trade Patterson, Wood Holly and $$ for Damon

Uh....that might be a little hard to work out at the end of August with Boston heading towards the playoffs.

You know he's a FA after the season, right? You usually don't have to give up other players to get those. But you never know, the Cubs organization could yet figure out a new way to give away their future.

Well, I didn't really mean for Damon directly I just meant to clear the way to pay for him.

Also, just a question where I can I find the status of contracts with current players?

Why would they bother? Don't the old ways work work just fine?

Seb:
"Thanks to Mannytrillo's tickets I got to see the game. What can I say -- the seats were nice and the guy I went with won one of the Maddux gloves. I have to admit that I was willing Barrett to try to score but he was out by a mile. I had fun, but my winning streak at Wrigley came to an end. Come to think of it all the home teams at all the baseball games I went to on this visit to Chicago lost. Don't tell them. Manny, your season tickets are awesome though. Lucky guy."

Glad you liked the seats. It was a pleasure to actually meet you. Next time maybe we can meet up before the game and have a few drinks. Hope you enjoyed the game. Take care and have a safe trip back to Austria....

Seb-
Oh yeah, I have gone to scores of games and never won a damn thing on those scratch-offs at Wrigley and you friend wins one in my seats??? UGH...DAMN HIM!!!

It's all well and good to look at what someone like Dontrelle Willis is doing now and say "the Cubs should have kept him," but he was a throw-in in a trade that netted the Cubs a solid three-year run of Matt Clement in the rotation. Look back at the coverage of the trade -- Willis was lumped in with the other two minor leaguers (Jose Cueto and Ryan Jorgensen) that the Cubs sent along with Tavarez to Florida. I would bet that very few people, even those in the Florida organization, expected him to be the key to that trade.

Nice to know some people noticed.

I've been working on a kinder, and gentler version of samclyatt in order to help me deal with the insanity of . . . . oops, I almost blew it right from the start. Silly me.

I also have figured out that there is more action on the blogsites than on the field from most of the players these days.

I know there is more passion on the blogsites than the whole collective Cub team has displayed since about two weeks after the second half started.

I expressed my doubts about this team early on, but in deference to those who were holding out some hope that it might possibly be the Chinese Year of the Magician, and that these guys would be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat, I postponed my annual playing of TAPS until now.
Enough is enough.

IMO anyone who still believes the Cubs will win the wild card has the faith of Abraham, the Old Testament patriarch, of whom the Bible says, "against hope, he believed in hope, and it was credited to him for righteousness." God Bless them. I'm not that strong in my faith in this team.

I hope Hendry makes liberal use of the few opportunities he has to pick up some bargains. Rusch, Williams, Walker, Burnitz, Perez, Macias, maybe Dempster are the 'usual' candidates if I were in his place, but most of you know that I have always said I would trade virtually anybody; so, if an opportunity did come along, I would not hesitate to unload virtually anybody. It just depends on what is available in return.

For next year, we have to get stronger up the middle. That might be a shopworn and tired mantra, but it is the tried and true method of building a team. When your catcher doesn't know what to do in a rundown, and your pitchers are either unable to or just refuse to cover first base, and your shortstop can't play because he is hurt, and your backup shortstop cannot hit for a sustained period of time, and your second baseman is hurt, and your backup second baseman is also your backup shortstop, and your centerfielder is Corey Patterson, then I rest my case about needing more strength up the middle.

When you couple that with the absolutely horrendous performance of the bullpen in critical situations throughout the season, the blowing of TAPS was, as suggested by Mr. Whipple a few weeks overdue. But, again, I'm trying to be Mr. Sensitivity now.

re: perez being resigned next year and not nomar

i would assume that neifi would be used as the utility guy though...right? seriously though, there's no way they can have him come in as the starting shortstop. i have no problem with neifi on my team, as long as he's getting 200 ABs or less. he can play the 3 infield positions relatively well and isn't a terrible bench bat.

if he's back though, several things have to happen:

- another starting, you know, good shortstop has to be here (be it nomar, furcal or someone via trade)

- jose macias has to be gone. can't afford both of them on a 13 man hitting staff.

- this means that fontenot/cedeno or both are probably here to save money on your bench to hire you know, outfielders who can hit. as opposed to this year's crew.

I am surprised no one is talking about Baker's post game comments about why Barrett was sent home. Basically saying we had to send Barrett because Corey was up to bat next.

Those comments by Baker go back to the heart of the matter of why he is a poor manager. If you have no confidence in Patterson then why do you continue to put him in the starting lineup? How about pinch hitting for him so you dont have to send the runner, ever thought of that? Naw, screw it, send the runner, blame it on Patterson. Its brilliant leadership.

"Sometimes you've got to send him even though you know the chance of him being out is good," Baker said.

You send a runner when the chances of him being safe are good. Examples of what Baker is saying is that you sometimes send a runner on shallow popflys to the SS, where the chance of him being out at home is good. Or running on Jim Edmonds or Wily Taveras on shallow singles to CF where the chance of the runner being out is good.

No runner should ever be thrown out by 40 feet. That is not taking chances. That is stupidity.

Also, just a question where I can I find the status of contracts with current players?

Hardball Dollars
http://russells.freeshell.org/ddollars/

Cot's Baseball Contracts
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

I will give the Cubs franchise - when they crumble, they do it with style and flair.

It is Shakespearean tragic to see how badly this season is winding down.

I am almost speechless and stunned into silence.

At this point, I grow concerned about the mental scaring that is being left on the impressionable youth (notice I didn't mention good and youth in the same sentence about the Cubs, that would be blog suicide). Of course, I except Carlos from the scaring exercise - that boy is a madman.

So I will leave it to one of the great songwriters from my youth:

Meet the new boss, same as old boss.

I say fire em all and start completely from scratch. It sure as hell would be more interesting that what Hendry will sell us in 2006.

I personally thought it was a horrible decision by Speier, but Brenly backed it up. Surprised me. I'm not surprised to hear Dusty defend Speier, though. That's really what it is. In some quarters, backing up your staff is considered good leadership.

I'm surprised no one is talking about the comments, too, only because every single sentence Dusty utters is picked apart for weakness, paranoia, conspiracies, etc., by this crowd.

No good reason to pick apart Dusty's comments.

His actions are enough fodder to keep us busy until spring training.

The real problem is how Hendry approaches the offseason and what he sees as the solution to righting the ship for 2006 & out.

Again, I am no longer bullish on this franchises apptitude and ability to build a consistent winner.

Again, I say fire em all, gut the strcuture, throw away the debris and start over.

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  • Manny Rondon faced 13 batters ... and got 10 to K. Not a bad day's work.

    Eric S 7 hours 30 min ago view
  • With several other Cubs hitters bailing out on curves today I think overall it wasn't being seen well. It for sure looked silly but a good breaking pitch coming at you and then breaking down isn't the easiest thing to see and has made many hitters look silly. Also Soler should have more walks this year but for quite a few called strikes that were actual balls and even the called strike he bailed on was borderline.

    johann 10 hours 28 min ago view
  • it's not like we're talking about a guy who's never had issues with pitch selection and seeing the ball over here. we're talking about a guy who has some rather legendary swing-and-misses at breaking stuff who's been exploited low. going forward it's worth paying attention to seeing if he can be exploited inside, too. he seriously bailed out of the box on a called strike. sure it was a good curve, but he obviously didn't see that well at all.

    crunch 10 hours 40 min ago view
  • It would seem like he is figuring it out now and it's really coming together. Really happy for him. Joe was really protecting him from the 3rd time through the order, but as you allude to, he is earning trust to go deeper.

    Wondering if has potential to become a #3 pitcher? His current stats certainly support it.

    The E-Man 10 hours 49 min ago view
  • That doesn't count b/c CRUNCH didn't see it on his 60" HDTV 5 times in replay.

    I have seen many players "bail out" when the ball looked like it was gonna hit them.

    Especially with the advent of the splitter and pitchers that can really get the ball to dance. Marmol, Sutter, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Derek Lowe, Smoltz, Arrietta...

    These guys have made the best bail out only for the ball to come over the plate and be called a strike.

    No shame in that. The same way players whiff hard enough to cause them to drill a hole in the ground from spinning.

    The E-Man 10 hours 55 min ago view
  • a 60" TV with slow-motion replay and multiple looks on that replay helps...a lot...

    it's one thing to shy away like he did the 2nd time, it's another to bail out of the box on a called strike. that happened in the 1st one he pulled away from. he misjudged that one by a foot or so...

    crunch 11 hours 13 min ago view
  • Good Hendricks sure is fun to watch. He was hitting all his corners today and the Phillies couldn't do anything with his changeup.

    johann 11 hours 49 min ago view
  • Bryant and I believe Zobrist both did that too.

    johann 12 hours 7 min ago view
  • Soler BB acumen and plate awareness is excellent. Not unusual for even the best players to react as if they were about to hit them, "even though they weren't that close" from your vantage point sitting on your deck, or wherever.

    The E-Man 12 hours 9 min ago view
  • soler vs inside breaking balls is scary.

    he's had 2 inside curve balls today where he reacted as if they were about to hit him even though they weren't that close...one he bailed out of the box on, it was a called strike.

    crunch 12 hours 26 min ago view
  • j.urias optioned back to AAA...guess we wont be seeing him in the LAD series.

    crunch 12 hours 34 min ago view
  • so is him actually getting 2 hits in a game (2 doubles!)...first time he's even been on base 2 times in a game since 9 games ago on his 3/4, 1bb day.

    im ready for him to at least look like a 2-slot hitter since he's gonna be slotted there no matter what he does.

    crunch 13 hours 29 min ago view
  • That Heyward move to avoid Bryant's ball hit at him was a thing of beauty too.

    johann 13 hours 47 min ago view
  • 9 pitches in and this game already rules.

    HR, double...bryant's turn (who came out to a Kris Kross song for some horrible, horrible reason).

    ...2 run inning...zoobrest hitting streak at 14.

    crunch 13 hours 52 min ago view
  • First time I saw Herrera was yesterday. He took like 100 pitches, fouled off a ton off Lester.

    Very nice young player and perfect leadoff guy.

    The E-Man 15 hours 2 min ago view
  • Obviously not Phil. But he mentioned this on Wednesday.

    "Dominican Summer League (DSL) Opening Day is Saturday June 4th, so probably about 8-10 pitchers and position players presently at EXST in Mesa will be sent to the Cubs Dominican Academy (probably sometime this week) and be assigned to either DSL Cubs #1 or DSL Cubs #2."

    In the comments here: http://www.thecubreporter.com/05242016/cub-power-d...

    QuietMan 15 hours 40 min ago view