When the Doctor says Oops

What happens when the Doctor Says "Oops?"

You become a Cub.

Lookie here. The Cubs get an early holiday present under their tree in 31 year old starting pitcher Scott Baker. In typical Cub fashion, the wrapping paper is a bit discheveled and the bow on the gift is a little off kilter. Scott Baker toiled on the mound for the Twins from 2005-2011 including his best year in 2009 with 33 starts, 200 IP, a 15-9 record and a WHIP of 1.190. He had Tommy John/Ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) reconstructive surgery on his elbow last April, missing the entire 2012 season. Fitting Jedstein's Modus Operandi, it's a one year deal at $5.5M with $1.5M in incentives. According to XM Radio's Jim Bowden, the Cubs have made an offer to lefty Francisco Liriano, so maybe they are just going after ex-Twins. Matt Garza should soon be tweeting: "Collect em all."

Baker was supposed to have the (quicker to recover) flexor-pronator muscle attachment repaired in his right pitching elbow (compared to Tommy John ligament reconstruction) , but there was a change of plans decided intraoperatively...

In looking up the history on Scott Baker, I saw some pre-surgery articles in April that said his elbow injury was diagnosed as a tear of the flexor-pronator muscle attachement but when his surgeon, reknown Dr. David Altchek from Hospital for Special Surgery in New York (who did former Twin, Joe Nathan's TJ surgery) opened the elbow up it was clear that Baker needed his UCL reconstructed. The flexor-pronator recovery is usually 6 months whereas the Tommy John surgery is typically felt to be longer at 12-18 months for recovery. 

An MRI taken late in spring training showed that the ulnar collateral ligament - the one that is replaced during Tommy John surgery - was sound. But Twins spokesperson Dustin Morse said that when surgeon Dr. David Altchek opened up the elbow and took a look, he decided to repair the ligament.

...and going into the April surgery, the Twins GM Terry Ryan said in  a press conference that Baker's flexor-pronator attachment surgery would just be a simple "cleanup"

Baker said this preoperatively:

"He (Dr. Altchek) said this is something that’s not going to repair itself. It’s not going to cure itself. It’s something that needs to be taken care of. Fortunately, he said the (UCL) ligament looked great, so I guess in a way, as bad as this is, the flexor pronator tendon is what needs to be repaired. Nobody hates this more than me. So it’s tough.”

When asked about his Ulnar Collateral/Tommy John ligament, Baker said:

“Yeah, he said there’s no need to mess with that. I haven’t had any discomfort there, which is a good thing. But at the same time, what’s going on right now, I just know two things: It’s painful and it’s affecting my ability to be effective in a major league baseball game. What do you do when that’s the case? You have to get it taken care of."

A Simple Twist of Fate

Of course, the anatomy of the flexor-pronator tendon attachment and the ulnar collateral ligament attachment are so close together it's not unusual for an MRI or physical exam to be misleading. It is common practice to include in the surgical consent permission to do both procedures "just in case" this scenerio plays out. According to the Star Tribune article, if Baker had the cleanup elbow surgery with a 6 month recovery estimate, they probably would have picked up his $9.25M option on his contract and he'd still be a Twin. Then again, that's a lot of $$ for any pitcher coming off of any elbow surgery unless you're under 30 or your initials are SS (or both).

Biomechanics 101

The forearm flexors are really responsible for controlling wrist flexion but they originate just above the elbow which gives them maximal leverage. The forearm pronator muscles are responsible for forearm rotation, in the direction of going from palm up to palm down, clearly needed to put spin on the ball. The reverse direction of pronation is supination where you move the forearm to a "palm up" position. The Ulnar collateral ligament is a bit deeper but in the same general attachment area and is responsible for keeping the elbow joint on the medial or inside from opening up. The elbow joint is a complex hinge where the forearm bones (radius and ulna) and the radius bone rotates around the ulna to produce forearm rotation (pronation and supination). The hinge component involves the ulna (olecranon) and distal humerus (medial condyle) on the inside (medial) and the radius (radial head) and lateral condyle or capitellum of the humerus on the outside (lateral).

 

  Ulnar Collateral Ligament Origin:                               Flexor-Pronator Muscle Origin:                                  

Tommy John LigamentPronator-Flexor Origin

Star-Tribune author, La Velle E. Neal III, so generously offered the link to a comparable case, former Giant pitcher Russ Ortiz. Ortiz at age 32, who in 2007, went in thinking flexor-pronator and wound up with Tommy John surgery. Ortiz came back to pitch in 2009-10 but lasted only 90 innings before retiring.

There is an in-house comp. We've seen Tommy John surgery work well in Ryan Dempster. Dempster was younger at age 26 when he had the surgery in August 2003. The Reds didn't pick up his contract in November 2003 and the Cubs signed him in January 2004. Demp missed most of the 2004 season with a brief 20 inning bullpen comeback in September. He remained a Cub closer/reliever for 3 seasons and finally went back to the starting rotation in 2008. 

People as saying there is not much risk paying a starter at $5-6M. Upside: See Paul Maholm. Downside: See Russ Ortiz or Good ol' duct tape himself, Chad Fox. Nuff said.

 

Recent comments

Subscribe to Recent comments
The first 600 characters of the last 16 comments, click "View" to see rest of comment.
  • Arizona Phil 1 hour 15 min ago (view)

    The Cubs have released AAA Iowa C-INF Tony Wolters so that he can sign a minor league deal with a contending club (if the opportunity presents itself).

    Because he was outrighted earlier this season he was not eligible to be traded after 7/30, even though he was on a minor league reserve list and (generally speaking) a player on a minor league reserve list can be traded up until one week prior to the scheduled conclusion of the MLB regular season. 

     

  • Arizona Phil 1 hour 47 min ago (view)

    So #11 (Ziehl), #12 (Banks), and #19 (Avitia) were the only three 2021 Cubs draft picks who did not sign. 

     

  • crunch 5 hours 25 min ago (view)

    https://www.mlb.com/news/jed-hoyer-clarifies-comments-on-traded-cubs

    similar story, similar quotes, different site/author

     

  • QuietMan 5 hours 46 min ago (view)

    Cubs: Jed Hoyer clarifies comments about extension talks with former core players - Marquee Sports Network

    Sorry I'm having trouble posting the link.

    @TonyAndracki23 with the story.

     

     

  • Wrigley Rat 6 hours 59 min ago (view)

    Second contract player Michael Arias, a former infielder-turned-pitcher, made his Cubs system debut today in relief. 0.2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 2 BB for DSL Cubs Blue.

     

  • Charlie 11 hours 13 min ago (view)

    A GM or owner saying a player "didn't want to sign" or "didn't want to negotiate" should always be read as "we didn't want to pay them."

    That said, a GM or owner can always show more finesse by saying, "I hope we can have productive talks this offseason" or something along those lines. Seems like Jed is trying to burn those bridges.

     

  • crunch 11 hours 26 min ago (view)

    while not known as a clubhouse cancer, there's more than a few stories about his "leadership qualities" lacking or otherwise being a bit of a jerk at points in time.  they're mostly rumor, and none of the rumors are awful...

    reminded a bit of this justin wilson/rizzo exchange back in 2018...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqCelMPe_74

     

  • videographer 11 hours 59 min ago (view)

    /With all the player movement in the last week, I wonder if the Cubs are now 85% compliant for vaccinated players.  We know Sogard and Rizzo were not vaccinated and I can assume the players taking their place of the 40 man roster are vaccinated.  It will be an interesting story going forward when all trade noise settles down.

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 13 hours 54 min ago (view)

    Agreed on every point. I think Jed is trying to create "his" team, a fully separate entity than Theo. Probably targeting 2023 or 2024 to return to actual contention.

    He absolutely shouldn't have aired that out. He ends up looking like the bad guy. This is a good way to burn those bridges. 

     

  • crunch 14 hours 23 min ago (view)

    jed shouldn't have aired things out so blatently, even if true.

    "I don't know why guys didn't want to sign. I don't know why guys didn't want to even counteroffer, oftentimes. Every one of these guys would say they wanted to stay in Chicago, 'we wanted to be a Cub,' but then we would sit down and do negotiations, that wasn't how they acted."

    ...dude, no.  keep that to yourself.

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 14 hours 35 min ago (view)

    After the feel-good videos and goodbyes, Jed decided to say the players didn't seem to want to negotiate and place blame at their feet. Rizzo responded today, basically saying "wtf man, shut up, that's a lie."

    I haven't really blamed Jed for much of this as I feel mgmt forced his hand but this... definitely a misstep Jed. And it also makes me wonder, the next core, if they don't want to sign below market extensions, are we gonna see a similar tear down?

     

  • crunch 1 day 7 hours ago (view)

    yeah.  i think it would have worked better if they weren't local boys.  better sell on having a built in "friend" in a new, far away place.  still not a bad move for an incentive, though...

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 1 day 9 hours ago (view)

    Was clearly just a signing as an incentive to sign his brother

     

  • crunch 1 day 11 hours ago (view)

    david can go ahead and not sign with the cubs if he wishes.

    there is absolutely nothing about his game that looks like he could even play A-ball.  his low-division college game is weak and his summer league wood bat game is abysmal.

     

  • Wrigley Rat 1 day 12 hours ago (view)

    Grand Canyon University's pitching staff got a big boost with recent Phoenix Alhambra High School ace Daniel Avitia deciding not to sign with the Chicago Cubs and, instead, honoring his letter of intent to the NCAA Division I school."

    Mostly, they didn't give me the money I wanted," said Avitia, who was asking for $300,000. "The best position for me is to go to GCU and get in the top rounds (after his junior season)." Avitia said that the Cubs wouldn't go any higher than $125,000 in negotiations.

     

  • Eric S 1 day 14 hours ago (view)

    Edwin took the L today in team USA's extra inning loss to Japan - should be able to help the Cubs efforts to secure a high draft pick soon.