Dempster "Blindsided" by Trade, Confused by Baseball's News Cycle

So the latest on the Dempster saga is that Ryan Dempster yesterday and because of this, he's going to take the full week to decide. Rumors are and seems to be trying to push the Cubs into accepting a deal from them, although it certainly won't be as good as getting Randall Delgado from the Braves.

Other things Dempster has been blindsided by (a few I'm stealing from Twitter):

- His Birthday

- the birth of his chidren

- the start of the season

- spring training

- warmer temperatures in the summer

Yeah, it would have been great if the Cubs got to him before the news leaked out, but you work in a multi-billion dollar business with reporters that are good at their job, throwing a temper tantrum over it isn't particularly professional.

It's certainly true that Ryan Dempster doesn't owe the Cubs anything and does not need to feel obligated relinquish his 10/5 rights because of pressure from the front office or the fans. But he is being a bit of a two-faced ass about the whole thing, isn't he?

Now please don't confuse that statement into thinking I'm upset at all, afterall it's just baseball and this is really nothing more than expensive entertainment. But from the reports over the last few weeks, I find it hard to come to the conclusion that Dempster was truly blindsided by yesterday's report and I do come to the conclusion that he really just wanted to go to Los Angeles, but certainly didn't make that clear to the Cubs.

Now with the caveat that I in no way know everything that was discussed, let's pick apart what has been put .

"I'm not an idiot. I know what's going on. I just try and enjoy it"

"I'm not an idiot, but what is this twitter and Internet and how does information spread so quickly? And how is this possible that news got leaked? Theo and Jed should not have let that happen!!! What do you mean there's a second party where that leak may have come out of? You lie!!! Lying liars!"

Now there's a out there that doesn't have any direct quotes from Dempster, but it does claim to say that the Braves were Dempster's second choice and further states, "Dempster, according to one source, has told the Cubs that he is open to many clubs and given them only a handful of teams that he would reject."

Without direct quotes from Dempster, it's nearly impossible to determine the veracity of that article. For all I know, the Cubs leaked it out in a huge long con to control public opinion in their favor and get the best deal possible for the Cubs, but that's a lot of conspiracy theory that I'm not comfortable with. It doesn't take a leap of faith to believe that Dempster told the Cubs the teams he's most comfortable with or the general parameters, the Cubs ran with that and were set to discuss in person with Dempster the deal they had in place before the things got out of hand. The Cubs are certainly the party here with the most to lose, so it would make sense they were the most cautious about leaking information and attempting to appease Dempster. I can't imagine the Cubs didn't anything foolish like promise him the Dodgers and even though there were reports that a deal was close with the Dodgers, hopefully Dempster's isn't running with those news reports while admonishing the ones he was so displeased with yesterday.

It will get worked out one way or another, and the Braves are saying all the right things at the moment that they still want Dempster and it appears the current deal is still out there. But it just takes one phone call with another offer for them to change their minds. Dempster's wish that the Cubs send him to the Dodgers is nothing more than a wish at this point. The Dodgers are certainly not going to come back with a stronger offer knowing the position the Cubs are in and the Cubs are probably not going to accept the allegedly lower offer from the Dodgers just to appease Dempster when they know they have something better out there. That's just bad for business. I guess it's better to get something than nothing, but the Cubs can presumambly still offer Dempster a contract after the off-season that would net them draft picks. They run the risk that Dempster accepts it, but at 36, he'll certainly be eyeing a multi-year deal and 1-year of Dempster at around $12M wouldn't necessarily be terrible, especially considering the current lack of Cubs starting pitching options.

Let's hope Dempster gets over the bruised ego and that Randall Delgado is one of those pitching options.

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Wandy to Pirates "close" to happening according to a Rotoworld blurb a team allegedly interested in Maholm.

“It makes it harder when something that wasn’t supposed to be public knowledge becomes public knowledge, especially before I even knew it was public knowledge,” Dempster said. “That’s when it gets harder is when you get everybody’s opinions of what is going on and it really isn’t what was going on or what took place. You don’t really get to focus your full attention on what you’re trying to do you have to focus on everybody’s perception of what is going on.” http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/i... "beloved" dempster is a bit of a reach, no? He was absolutely hated as a closer and just barely tolerated as a starter, even when he was doing well.

but he does the bad harry caray imitation, he lives in wrigleyville, he's Canadian. You can't hate Canadians.

don't get me wrong, I think he was almost liked by most fans. never seemed like a fan favorite to me, just a dude that kept coming back year after year. His numbers are pretty similar to Kerry Wood's as a Cub, but he certainly won't be remembered that way.

it's all probably something as simple as dumpster wanting an extension and the bottleneck is what ATL wants vs what dumpster's agent wants. if it's not done (or dead) by the time dumpster gets his next start that should be interesting.

tomorrow?

knew it was tomorrow...didn't know it was a mega-early day game (12:30pm). that makes things harder. be a lot better if anyone had any idea what ATL wants or what dumpster isn't getting from wherever he's looking it.

new astros GM a lot better at this getting rid of players thing than Jedstein so far... C. Lee, B. Myers, W. Rodriguez, and Lyon.

R. Grossman one part headed to the Astros.

Sexy Rexy?

or what dumpster isn't getting from wherever he's looking... --- Dempster has demanded this if he's traded. Unfortunately, it resides in LA this year. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-axbhN-_kysg/T-pY10Q...

April: 611 May: .884 June: .970 July: .922

Phil win 7-6 in a wild 6 run 8th over the Brewers. Greinke replaced with a 6-1 lead in the 8th and Brewers pen blows it including 4 walks. 2 run pinch hit HR and a bases loaded double by Ruiz.

I-Cubs just scored 6 in the 4th but are losing 8-6 to OKC. 6 singles and a walk. Vitters had a 2-rbi single. Rod Lopez gave up all 8 OKC runs. Can we just open up a roster spot and let RodLo go?

AZ Cubs box score with live updates. Game about to start. Almora-Soler batting 3-4. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=...

Your 2016 Cubs!!!!

Should be interesting in the field, today, with Soler at short, and Almora at third. Player Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG Shawon Dunston 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267 Daniel Lockhart 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318 Albert Almora 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333 Jorge Soler SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .167 Ben Carhart LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .375 Yasiel Balaguert CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125 David Bote RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .220 Justin Marra C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .375 Carlos Penalver DH 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .235

AZ Phil warned us that the "official scorer" often takes naps or is on his phone to the milb offices

Yes, I saw that. That's more like an alcohol induced deep sleep

Tenn beat Jacksonville 9-2. HR's by Lake and Brenly. 5 IP for Eric Jokisch, including 8K's/2BB/4H/1R

from the AZ Cubs box score: Weather: 100 degrees, partly cloudy. (but it's a dry heat)

So is an oven.............lived there 7 1/2 years and hot is hot.

Vogelback moved up to Boise. Not sure if that means the Rock Shoulders was sent back to AZ.

awesome. maybe the cubs won't have to pay rizzo 3-4 years from now...heh.

AZ Cubs up 4-1 after first, although the official scorer might be wrong: Shawon Dunston doubles (2) on a line drive to right fielder Joshua McAdams. Daniel Lockhart grounds out, second baseman Claudio Bautista to first baseman Nelson Rodriguez. Shawon Dunston to 3rd. Albert Almora reaches on a fielding error by shortstop Dorssys Paulino. Shawon Dunston scores. Jorge Soler reaches on a force attempt, fielding error by shortstop Dorssys Paulino. Albert Almora to 2nd. Ben Carhart homers (1) on a fly ball to left field. Albert Almora scores. Jorge Soler scores. Yasiel Balaguert singles on a ground ball to right fielder Joshua McAdams. David Bote called out on strikes. Justin Marra grounds out, shortstop Dorssys Paulino to first baseman Nelson Rodriguez.

Rumors now that Cubs would be willing to take a deal from Dodgers centering around Allen Webster rather than Zach Lee.

From Goldstein on Monday Allen Webster, RHP, Dodgers (Double-A Chattanooga) It's been a strange season for Webster. He entered the year as one of the best pitching prospects in the system, but not without some concerns, as he had a rough go of it during the second half of the season at Double-A. On the surface, he's struggling again, with a season line that includes a 4.06 ERA and more than a hit per inning, but in reality, there have been three parts to his year. After putting up a 7.49 ERA in his first seven starts, Webster spent three weeks in the bullpen trying to straighten things out. Since his return to the rotation, he's put up a 2.11 ERA in nine starts, including a season-high 10 strikeouts over six innings on Friday. What was going wrong is a bit of a mystery, as Webster has always had the stuff for things to go right: a heavy 93-95 mph fastball, an easy plus changeup, and a decent slider.

This was from Baseball America chat last november... Hey Jim,Is Allan Webster anything for Dodger fans to get excited about? Jim Callis: Yes, yes he is. Unknown when the Dodgers took him in the 18th round of the 2008 draft out of a North Carolina HS, he has an effortless 94-mph fastball and promising secondary pitches. http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/295...

“The Chicago Cubs are going to do what’s best for the Cubs,” Dempster said. “I have a chance to do what’s best for me. And I’m going to try and do that.” ~snip~ “I don’t want to start saying who I’m down to or (not),” Dempster said, “because that’s how rumors start and things fly all around and things get out that aren’t supposed to get out. Something that’s supposed to be a private matter doesn’t stay private.”

And what exactly is the best thing here for Dempster? I understand the 10x5 rights he's earned it blah blah blah, but good lord it's 2 freakin months. He's going to get paid regardless whether he signs an extension with a team he's traded to or not. As others have mentioned, the anger/resentment/whatever emotion he has seems a bit irrational here given that rumors have been swirling for along while now. He's certainly not endearing himself to cubs fans here holding team hostage. Because that's exactly what he's doing.

I love how the terms "anger" and "temper tantrum" are being tossed out when he seems pretty level-headed and matter-of-fact about it all to me.

Seemed pretty upset in that tweet and the reporters painted a less than happy person when he first walked in the clubhousee.

Reading his quotes over the last couple of days, I don't get anger out of it. So be it.

I sense a little anger, a lot of petulance.

If I were him, I'd be pissed to hear about it on Twitter. Just pick up the phone and let me know what's going on.

Yeah. Bothered is a bit different than angry, though I'm sure it could be construed that way. Sun-Times: Dempster and front-office sources denied a report Tuesday that Dempster was blindsided by the news that the Braves and Cubs struck a deal, provoking him into holding it up. He said the team kept him informed — ‘‘they’ve been really good about that’’ — but he was bothered by the leak to the media.

If you are a team looking for an aging free-agent, how are you viewing this exchange between Ryan Dempster and The Cubs? You see, it may be IN his interest to be agreeable to the Cubs. Sometimes us silly humans are so myopic.

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    He played in the big leagues longer than he played any other level of organized baseball combined.

     

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  • JustSayin' 4 days 11 hours ago (view)

    Years of over-drafting pitching shown here.

     

  • Dolorous Jon Lester 4 days 13 hours ago (view)

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  • crunch 6 days 15 hours ago (view)

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  • crunch 1 week 2 days ago (view)

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  • bradsbeard 1 week 3 days ago (view)

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