Today in Cubs History: 12-16

12-16-1992 - The Giants name Dusty Baker as manager to replace Roger Craig. (taken from Baseball Library) 12-16-1985 - Traded Billy Hatcher and a PTBNL (Steve Engel) to the Houston Astros. Received Jerry Mumphrey. Wow, I don't have the slightest recollection of Engel at all. Anybody help me here? A very slow news day in Cubs history. Baseball Library lists today as the day we acquired Jimmy Sheckard from the Brooklyn Superbas, but Baseball-Reference lists that date as December 30th, and I'll cover it, then. So another real yawner of a day. Here's a question: What Items do you hope will join the list of events that happened on December 16th, when five years from now it comes time for me to do the December 16th, 2010 TICH edition?


Trans, Hopefully 5 years from now it will read on some december day that the Cubs get Tejada. Dusty supporters will point to the fact Hendry has not provided him his type of players and Tejada is the ultimate Dusty player. He is an aggressive hitter who can run and play solid D. Also Tejada would be the strong clubhouse leader needed by Baker's laisse-fair attiude towards disipline, That is anthor reason why the Pierre trade was good he knows how to go about his buisness and is a low maintance attitude guy.

I envision an Adam Dunn signing - what year would that be? about 2008?

Dec of 2007, I'm pretty sure.

adam who?

"Asked if Corey Patterson could play right field, Hendry replied, "Sure.'' If he plans to make that statement next month at the Cubs' annual fan convention, he would be advised to hire several armed guards to ensure his protection." ha. well, seriously..if that's how they dragged the "patterson in RF" rumor outta him..whatever, no big deal or commitiment. the same article mentions hendry has 2 trade proposals for RF's with teams on the table, though its doubtful either will be taken. it at least opens up dialogue.

This post, right here, is the 70,000th post at TCR. What Should I Say? Ron Cey ruled the 1984 Cubs. We miss you, Harry. Cheese is good. I think that will suffice.

Hey, I remember Jerry Mumphrey, he was actually pretty decent. VERY solid OBP guy. We got him at the end of his career, so his defense and speed were diminished, but he was worth Billy Hatcher.

This article reads like a TCR post. "It's the blind leading the blind on Chicago's Northside"

Average time of a game last season, by ballpark. (Wrigley is way down at the bottom) Stadium Average Yankee Stadium 3:03 Fenway Park 3:01 Camden Yards 2:52 Shea Stadium 2:52 Bank One Ballpark/Chase Field 2:51 Great American Ballpark 2:51 PNC Park 2:51 Coors Field 2:50 Dodger Stadium 2:48 Miller Park 2:48 SBC Park 2:48 Ameriquest Field 2:48 Comerica Park 2:47 Safeco Field 2:47 Dolphins Stadium 2:47 U.S. Cellular Field 2:46 Angel Stadium 2:46 Tropicana Field 2:46 Citizens Bank Park 2:46 Turner Field 2:44 Petco Park 2:43 Kauffman Stadium 2:41 Minute Maid Park 2:41 Busch Stadium 2:41 Jacobs Field 2:40 Rogers Centre 2:40 RFK Stadium 2:40 McAfee Coliseum 2:39 Wrigley Field 2:39 Metrodome 2:35

I heard the same thing about the Patterson rumor. It sounded like the media's way of trying to create news where there isn't any. Plus, Hendry has to give the appearance that he's happy to keep him if he hopes to get even a little value in return for him.

Anyone know what the deal is with They've removed all their posts back to Dec. 10.

I think they had to remove everything they made up. That may actually push it back a bit further...

Years from now I'd enjoy reading about how the Cubs got Tejada on this date, as well. Without trading Z or Prior or Lee. Good luck, right? It's time to address the #2 hole in the batting order if Walker's a goner as it appears. Please, not Neifi. I would have really liked to have seen Nomar in the 2-hole. Regarding Corey staying or going: before Ozzie, the Chicago coach/manager I really admired re: team play was and is Scott Skiles. With the Corey situation, what do you think Skiles would do?

I remember Steve Engel. He was one of the starters during the debacle of 1985. We lost ALL five starters that season & he auditioned for one of the spots. He was a little lefty with weak breaking stuff & no fastball. Needless to say, he wasn't around long.

Engle also hit a homerun at the Astrodome (I believe it was the Astodome)which was something that didn't happen much, esp. for a pitcher.

If you've been following the team since pre-1984 and you want to torture yourself, go to Retrosheet and look at the game log for 1985. At one point, the Cubs rotation was Ray Fontenot, Derek Botelho, Lary Sorenson, Jay Baller, and Steve Engel. Other luminaries getting starts that year were Johnny Abrego and Larry Gura. And, of course, the immortal Reggie Patterson.

Dennis, my father took me to that game that Engel started. It was supposed to be Eck starting. I was 14 and it was my 1st time at Wrigley, then they announced Steve Engle as the starter.....funny thing too, when my father took my brother to his 1st game at Wrigley the next year, Scott Sanderson was supposed to start, however he was replaced at game time by the almighty Joe Kramer.

Re # 9 (average time of ballgames): You could use the average number of minutes of a game divided by number of victories by the home team to come up with a "Fan Misery Index". I don't even need to run the numbers to decide that KC (average 161 minutes and 56 wins, for a Fan Misery Index of 2.88) would be the winner. Although they had the longest home games, the Yankees top the Cubs in the FMI, 1.93 to 2.01. What a difference 16 wins makes.

Hey, the Royals may suck, but there's no misery in seeing a game at Kaufman. Even though I'm a Cub fanatic, I live here and go to a good dozen games a year. The tickets are cheap, sightlines are terrific, parking and access are the easiest in the majors. It's literally like seeing a game at a park with the open outfield, my family loves it! Only real beef is that Kaufman food is pretty lousy compared to most ballparks, but the beer is cheap and cold :-)

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  • crunch 2 hours 33 min ago (view)

    minor league baseball has to provide housing for minor leaguers starting 2022 (paid for by MLB parent clubs).  this is HUGE news and will make it possible for guys to stick around longer without having to quit the game just to earn a basic living.  for minor league players working in expensive housing markets this is a life saver.

    activist players from the OAK and LAA minor league teams as well as minor league player labor advocacy organizations were a huge part of making this happen.  good work.


  • bradsbeard 6 hours 16 min ago (view)

    Did you have any occasion to observe Pedro Ramirez? Not sure if he got into any games or not (now that I think of it, you wrote up at least one game he played in). 


  • Arizona Phil 11 hours 30 min ago (view)

    azbobbop: Certainly LHSPs Drew Gray and Luke Little have emerged as legit significant high-end SP prospects. RHSP Luis Devers has probably displaced Koen Moreno as the top "pitchability" SP prospect in the lower levels of the Cubs system. Tyler Schlaffer (another "pitchability" guy) also had an impressive Instructs, although Devers is a better SP prospect because he has a solid three-pitch mix and knows how to use it, while Schlaffer has just the 92-94 FB & CV (although both are solid offerngs) and isn't as polished as Devers is.


  • Hagsag 17 hours 39 min ago (view)

    This is the first time I have heard about the four month program in November. 


  • azbobbop 1 day 20 min ago (view)

    Phil, now that instructional scare finished, which players impressed you the most and who are disappointments.


  • tim815 1 day 4 hours ago (view)

    Cool. Should help his trade value if the bat plays.


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 6 hours ago (view)

    TIM: Peter Matt looks very comfortable at 3B. He is a classic "four-corner" guy (1B-3B-LF-RF). 


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 6 hours ago (view)

    KKvG: I strongly suspect Koen Moreno's outing was more about getting out on the mound and throwing in a game than anything. He did get several swings & misses from his CH (which is a plus-pitch), and he uses his low 90's FB to set-up the CH.

    I didn't see any breaking balls, although it's possible I might have mistaken a CH for one.

    Koen Moreno is what scouts call a "pitchability" guy. Nothing wrong with that, BTW. MLB starting rotations are full of pitchers like that.  


  • Arizona Phil 1 day 6 hours ago (view)

    Childersb3: Not much bat speed. Just "lug-power." I actually like Matt Mervis better. 


  • Hagsag 1 day 8 hours ago (view)

    Thanks wrigley rat.


  • Wrigley Rat 1 day 10 hours ago (view)

    HAGSAG - Not Phil, but I think this info was from him in the past:

    RHP/OF (signed as a two-way player - seems to be sticking with hitting for now), R/R, 5'11 180, Age 18, SPAIN


  • Childersb3 1 day 13 hours ago (view)


    Does Bryce Ball have any real bat speed, or is he just a big guy that waves at the ball and makes contact 1of5 times?


  • Hagsag 1 day 18 hours ago (view)

    Phil, tell me about Frank Fernandez.


  • tim815 2 days 1 hour ago (view)

    If Matt is "not horrible" at third, that could be useful.


  • crunch 3 days 1 hour ago (view)

    bonds got a standing-O after being introduced between innings at LAD @ SF.

    as he sat down, dude looked extremely genuinely happy to hear the park errupt in cheers for him again.

    it's not his first time back, nor his first set of cheers, but the park is packed and loud.


  • Cubster 4 days 46 min ago (view)

    Jed's GM search wrapping up, and the winner is: (Athletic write up): 37 yr old "Carter Hawkins, Cleveland assistant general manager, deals with all aspects of baseball operations in a front office admired for its stability, creativity in turning over the roster and ability to keep churning out pitchers.