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Game 130 Thread / Nationals @ Cubs (3 of 3)

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SP Jason Bergmann
 SP Rich Harden
  2-9, 4.50, 83 K, 33 BB, 116 IP
 (NL)
 3-1, 1.50, 59 K, 14 BB, 42 IP
       
LF
 *Willie Harris LF
 Alfonso Soriano
SS #Christian Guzman
 SS Ryan Theriot
3B
 Ryan Zimmerman
 3B
 Aramis Ramirez
CF
 Lastings Milledge
 1B
 *Daryle Ward
1B Ronnie Belliard
 RF
 Mark DeRosa
C Jesus Flores
 CF
 *Jim Edmonds
RF Austin Kearns
 C Geovany Soto
2B #Anderson Hernandez
 2B
 *Mike Fontenot
P Jason Bergmann
 P *Rich Harden
The Cubs go for yet another series win with Rich Harden making his eight start as a Cub. The win would give them their seventh straight series win and secure a tie  in the season series against the Nationals. Good thing it's Sunday where the Cubs are 15-5 this season, their best record for any day of the week.
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Submitted by Ryno on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:47 pm

It takes a lot of imagination to say Samardjiza only has one pitch. Sure, technically you could say he only throws fastballs, but that's simplifying his arsenal. He'll need a changeup, slider, or curve if he becomes a starter, though.

Submitted by CA-Phil on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:58 pm

Cubs Win! John Cusak seems like a nice enough guy and a genuine fan, but is anybody else tired off all the celebrity Cub fans - Bill Murray, Bonnie Hunt, the comedian (forgot his name)basking in the reflected glory?

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Submitted by navigator on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:22 pm

yeah, it's Tired. I'm also tired of Daryle Lard ever batting cleanup. Actually I'm tired of Lard in a Cubs uniform. And I'm tired of the Brewers announcers. Today after sweeping the Lowrates, they actually said the Brewers "held serve in the central." I'm sorry but WTF?! But enough whining. Did Lou and Fuku have that talk? Maybe it worked. Good to see Kosuke really square one up today. And just for the hell of it, Cubs composite hitting so far, by position: ca .290 .367 .494 .861 1b .296 .363 .480 .843 2b .303 .377 .474 .851 ss .309 .382 .371 .753 3b .284 .383 .530 .913 LF .283 .344 .508 .853 CF .289 .371 .488 .860 RF .258 .362 .384 .745 P   .205 .222 .295 .518

Submitted by Cubster on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:27 pm

in the postgame, they discussed that Lou did some batting coach instruction pregame for Fukudome. Apparently Lou wanted Kosuke to shorten his stride. He was practicing in the cage (where ever it is that he can practice during the game) with Gerald Perry supervision. Nothing like short term positive results.

Submitted by navigator on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:20 pm

Len & Bob put up a graphic during the game that was supposed to demonstrate the importance of being the first team to win 80 games. Not sure what they were thinking because of the five or six teams they showed, only one won the World Series. At any rate, the Cubs are first to win 80 this year. A month ago we were 60-42, good for a lonely 1 game lead over the Brewers. Since then the Cubs are 20-8 and Milwaukee is 17-12, five games back in the all-important loss column. Playing so many games at home, I thought getting to 30 games over .500 in August was key to winning the division. It means we only have to play .500 (16-16) the rest of the way (and with the remaining schedule not, by any means, easy that's a reasonable outcome) to win 96 games. To match that the Brewers need a 20-11 finish. But with 13 home games and 19 left on the road, if they maintain the current home&road winning %'s the Cubs will finish 19-13, 99-63. Milwaukee will need to go 23-8 (.742) just to tie.

Submitted by Chad on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:07 pm

The Cubs are at a .615 winning percentage. IF they hold that percentage (doubtful) they will have 99 wins after 161 games. And for the record, this is not a jinx as I don't think they can finish the season playing at that percentage. I'm just saying that it would be cool.

Submitted by 433 on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:09 pm

If the question is "Dempster or Zambrano?" the answer is "Rich Harden." The more he throws, the harder it is to deny that he's our best starting pitcher. Statistically it's not close: 49 IP, 1.47 ERA, 70 K's, 14 BB's. As long as he's capable of throwing 109+ pitches like he did today, I gotta think he's our Ace (although it would probably never be acknowledged by Cubs brass for fear of crushing Zambrano). I don't think he could snag the Ace title as a 5-6 inning guy, but his endurance seems to be building... And it's not a totally academic argument, because at some point Lou will have to decide which two SP's get two starts in a 5 game playoff series, and then (hopefully) who throws early in a 7 game series. It would be a nice problem to have, but the decision will be of the make-or-break variety.

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Submitted by big_lowitzki on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 08:33 pm

And it's not a totally academic argument, because at some point Lou will have to decide which two SP's get two starts in a 5 game playoff series, and then (hopefully) who throws early in a 7 game series. This has been discussed before. The pitchers that throw in games 1 and 2 in the playoffs (and in turn pitch two games) need to be able to come back on short rest. I would be utterly shocked if Harden came back on short rest, even in the playoffs. If the Cubs go with three starters in a five game series, it will look like this: Z Dempster Harden Z Dempster If they decide to go with four starters, than Harden could pitch games 1 and 5. Which would still allow you have to have Z and Dempster pitch games 1 and 2 in the NLCS.

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Submitted by The Real Neal on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:25 am

Hopefully after last year's stupidity, Lou will go with the 4 man rotation in the playoffs.

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Submitted by blockhead25 on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:12 pm

I really have to find written proof of this so I don't sound like a complete idiot....but: I have read that the NL team with the best record will be able to select NL division series "A" or NL division series "B". If it is like last year in the AL, when the Red Sox got to select their division series schedule, it will go like this: The "A" series would start on Thursday providing an extra break after the end of the regular season. (If Cubs pitch their #1 on Saturday, they could come back and start game #1 on regular rest). But then in the A series there is only a day off after game #2 and #4. In the "B" series, the series would Start on Wednesday, but then would have an extra day off between games #1 and #2. Therefore if the Cubs went with the "B" series: Wed: Game 1 Thu: Off Fri: Game 2 Sat: Off Sun: Game 3 Mon: Game 4 Tue: Off Wed: Game 5 Therefore, the Cubs #1 and #2 pitchers could pitch games 4&5 on regular rest. Of course, the team they play would get the same benefit. Again, keep in mind...I may have some facts totally wrong....so we'll see.

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Submitted by 433 on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:20 pm

Interesting, Block -- I hadn't heard that. For what it's worth I got my Cubs playoff ticket invoice on Friday and the game dates for all playoff games were included (even the NLDS). They are as follows: NLDS: Game 1: 10/1 Game 2: 10/2 Game 3: 10/4 Game 4: 10/5 Game 5: 10/7 NLCS: Game 1: 10/9 Game 2: 10/10 Game 3: 10/12 Game 4: 10/13 Game 5: 10/15 Game 6: 10/17 Game 7: 10/18 WS: Game 1: 10/22 Game 2: 10/23 Game 3: 10/25 (Saturday night at Wrigley?) Game 4: 10/26 Game 5: 10/27 Game 6: 10/29 Game 7: 10/30 The letter and fact sheet doesn't say "subject to change" or anything like that, but I have to think there is some fluidity to dates.

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Submitted by blockhead25 on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:16 pm

Yeah, I just saw those dates posted on tribune.com Maybe my previous comments came from someone making the false assumption that the schedule choice flipped from the AL last year to the NL this year. mea culpa.

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Submitted by 433 on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:36 pm

Your rumor/idea makes sense, though. Right now there is very little reward for winning the division and having the best record, and choosing from 2 schedules would be a nice prize. If the season ended today, it's tough to say whether the Cubs or Brewers would have the better first round draw, even taking home field advantage into account. And that's ridiculous.

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Submitted by Rob G. on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:25 pm

if those dates are correct for the NLDS and the Cubs can set their rotation, I think I'd like this:

Game 1: Dempster or Z (depending on matchups and who has been pitching the best down the stretch run)

Game 2: Harden

Game 3: Dempster or Z (whoever didn't start Game 1)

Game 4: Lilly, unless the opposing team kills lefites, then you think about bringing the Game 1 starter back on short rest. Also could think about bringing the Game 1 starter back if they're down 2-1 and the Game 1 starter pitched well.

Game 5: Harden or Game 1 starter. Assume Lilly pitches Game 4, go with whomever pitched the best out of the two and the Game 3 starter should also be available for a inning or two. If they decide to go with the Game 1 starter on short rest for Game 4, then Harden goes on normal rest for Game 5. But that should give some options.

Looking at that also makes me think Dempster would be the best fit for Game 3 in case he's needed for a couple of innings in Game 5 since he's used to coming out of the bullpen. 

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Submitted by nohit on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:35 pm

I have a lot of confidence in Dempster and Harden for the playoffs. Z scares me, though; I hope he rights his ship for the postseason.

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Submitted by Rob G. on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:03 pm

that's awesome that Dempster inspires confidence without any playoff experience. Z was pretty inspiring last year in Arizona. 

Submitted by mattofamerica on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 08:02 am

I do that too - keep track of the team's wins by day of the week. we were 7-2 on mondays befor ethe break, our best day of the week. but since then we've gone 6-0 on sundays, and 5-1 on wednesdays (includes a doubleheader) while just 1-2 on mondays (lots of monday off days).

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